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You need to find where on his official webpage he mentions any information, such as his date of birth, and reference that in the article. You can search for the official websites of any films he has been in, and link to where they list him as in the credits. That'll save the article. He probably meets WP:ACTOR for having two significant roles in notable films. His roles in Abduction and Hostel: Part III seem to be significant. One he was a main villain a notable director cast him in, and the other he was one of the main characters, and both films have Misplaced Pages articles already. So he is surely notable enough to have a Misplaced Pages article. Dream Focus 17:06, 8 January 2014 (UTC) Thank you! AlbertBikaj

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--Perkohesisht ai i vjetri (talk) 00:39, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Perkohesisht ai i vjetri, please beware of canvassing. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 00:52, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Hm, I had no idea such a rule existed! But Albert was notified above for the deletion automatically, anyways, so mine doesn't count as canvassing. --Perkohesisht ai i vjetri (talk) 22:25, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Well, now you know and need to bear it in mind. At the time, you were an unknown quantity & I had no idea of whether you were intending to inform anyone else in this manner. If you ever end up being tossed into an AN/I, you'll have anyone who holds a grudge against you crawling out of the woodwork and throwing anything they can find to use against you into the mix. It's prudent to cover your backside as much as is possible. Cheers! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 00:37, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

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Hello BracketBot if you look at serbian literature you will find a lot of lies,especially lies about Albanians. These references are Slavic communist references which are normally against a man which was against them,Prëk Cali was against them,he fought against serbians,and he never cooperate with serbians,these are just story's which were made up by Enver Hoxha's friends. Also Enver Hoxha made up story's about Gjergj Fishta, Padre Anton Harapi, and Albanian Priests. Communism wrote a lot of lies,and if you want to use communistic references than you have to make real heros ,enemies of their country. Like Gjergj Fishta,or Prek Cali,or Anton Harapi and a lot of other martyr's which had been killed by Communist's. I'm sorry for my bad English,and i hope you are going to remove these references ,because if you use them he cannot be longer Hero as he was for real. Im sure you know that communism thrilled story's against everyone who was against them.

Prek Cali

Please don't remove referenced text from articles. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 13:30, 21 January 2014 (UTC) Please dont write lies,based on serbian literature! He is Albanian hero,fought against serbia,ottoman empire and communism! These books are written by communists which were paid to write lies about him! Prek Cali was declared "Honor of Albania" in 2010, and in 1993 was decorated by former Presiednt Sali Berisha as "Martyr of Democracy". But if you want keep writing lies. OK

There is an ocean of sources written by Chetniks that confirm cooperation with Cali. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 07:58, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Look during communism the cooperation with Chetnics was accepted only by communist Albania and Yugoslavia. The truth is that During 1944-5 he was fighting against communsits with a lot of Kelmendi tribe alons side. The book of Dr. Luigj Martini its not a theory book but a history book based in REAL facts,this book is accepted officially in Albanian institute of History.

"Prek Cali wasn't known for being a politician,but for his bravery and for being active during national awaking ,and attended all wars against different enemies,like Ottoman Empire ,Serbia,Montenegro and Albanian Communist(1908,1911,1913,1944,1945). Here you got a paragraph from Dr.Luigj Martini book "Prek Cali dhe kelmendasit" which i tried to translate as better i could.

"Prek Cali historically memory did not entered for any merit to the high post but by being active in the flow of events of a very delicate period of years as it was the creation of the Albanian state , to come to the determination of borders state administrators (Which he protected), and it was unfairly denied memory in 1944 when the communist regime of prejudice in advance . So it usually happens when the winners write the history . During my research it happened to hear more about the figure and authority findings of Prek Cali . I found sources for his own good personality , and malicious sources written by malicious authors. Undoubtedly, some of these estimates are true and not and a lot of it are not true. Throughout the dictatorship regime,it was carefully covered the truth of personality and especially the events of the war that brought many victims in Kelmend .During dictatorship regime the historically events were misinterpreted in the extreme that you were deliberately to destroy Prek Cali's heroic image. Many author wrote about Prek Cali during the dictatorship . They have stereotyped as typical Bayraktar who was evil. With regret the Malësia e Madhe rhapsody calls blind all those who write what were dictated and not the truth, making spokesman of falsified History. You can say whatever you want about Prek Cali,but you cannot never describe him as a bayraktar,exploiter or traitor(chetnik cooperator). Primarily the portrait he presents spiritual, physical, brave, intelligent and organizer of the "Malësia e Madhe" and "Kelmend". He gave his contribution to Albania according to the circumstances as his judge, regardless of the little mistakes he remains in a unique place on the altar of the history of Albanian Nationalis,which always will be remembered as notable personality of Albania." I hope that after reading this you will remove cooperation with chetniks which is not true story. --AlbertBikaj (talk) 11:13, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Please dont use propagandist information about Prek Cali,authors of books were pro-partisans and anti-chetniks,so they made up story's against chetniks and Albanian Hero. If you use communist or chetnick books you will disinformation people! Also,every albanian hero is bad,and these which you wrote about Prek Cali are just Conservative theory's,because he was Albanian hero,and not a traitor,or cooperator with serbian chetnicks! All these storys are just made up! There are not "thoughts" of Luigj Martini,or M. Frasheri,thatch official true story of Prek Cali,the rest are just propaganda!AlbertBikaj (talk) 23:16, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

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Prek Cali

The Cooperation with Chetniks its just a thrilled story by communists. Because Prëk Cali and his whole family fought against all serbian groups which intended to take Albanian Lands. The authors of these books which claim that he was a chetnik supporter were communists which lived in time of Enver Hoxha. Prëk Cali was and will be always known as a National hero and not a traitor as communists claims. Here you got references for that : , ,,,

I am quite aware of Communist history, but that does not mean that Hoxha said that something is black, and today everything becomes automatically white. Anyway, this article does not have any importance for me. Just keep it out of emotional sentences like "one of the greatest heroes of Albania". Hero of Albania is just a given a title not a fact, just like Fatos Nano was given "Nderi i Kombit", it does not mean that Nano really honors Albania. The same with Cali, if there is a monograph that mentions him as one of the greatest heroes, does not mean it is absolutely true. I totally agree that he was a great fighter though, very warlike driven.

Regarding the chetniks, I don't know, the other guy brought many references. On my opinion, wherever there is smoke, there is fire. The cooperation was real, but pushed by British emissaries as part of the anti-communist campaign rather than any "love" between Cali and the Serbs.

What I don't like about Cali in what I saw is the somehow localist, medieval tribal mentality. Not that he had any fault in that. I.e starting from the Battle of Decic, passing to the conflict with Zogu because they demanded autonomy from the "Albanian muslim state". If he was a real hero would have fought like Curri, Boletini, Gurarkuqi, Galica, etc who managed to see the Albanian cause as a whole beyond a certain tribal or geographical limitation.

Anyway, good work. I respect your passion about this.Mondiad (talk) 19:47, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

- Man These who described Prek Cali were against him,i got a book "Prek Cali dhe kelmendasit" by Dr. Luigj Martini,you can read that Prek Cali wasnt a Bayraktar and medieval man or anti muslim or lokalist. If you want i can sent to you picture from the book,and references of this book too. Prek Cali fought in Battle of Decic. He was against Communism,thats why he was unliked by Communism. In fact communists invited him to join them (Mehmet Shehu) but Prek Cali said No,because you choose to ally with serbs,our historical enemies. There are alive witness who confessed that communism manipulated his biography. Anyway if you want i can show to you the book about Prek Cali,the book its in Albanian. AlbertBikaj (talk) 20:09, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

You can read this too Biografia e shkurter e Prek Calit.AlbertBikaj (talk) 20:24, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

My English is bad,i would be thankful if you add this to Prek Cali biography Mark Luka dëshmon: “Na, ketë shpellë e zgjodhëm për me ba qëndresën e fundit, me e la vedin e me vdek per së mbari. Për shtatë ditë rresht, gryka e shpellës nuk ka pushue as natë as ditë prej plumbave e zjarrit të mitrolozave. Komunistët vendosën me na marrë me uri e me pabesi. Na u dorzuem me një kusht, që të vinte Frati i Vuklit, kryetari i këshillit, si dhe të mos dhunoheshim. Por komunistët nuk e mbajtën fjalën e dhanë. Dhe as besimin e Fratit. Kur na çuen ke shtabi i batalionit, në Rrapsh të Hotit, Mehmet Shehu, u ndodh ballë për ballë me Prek Calin: - E, Prekë Cali, - i tha Mehmeti, - të pat ardhur dita ta mbyllesh historinë tënde me shkronja ari, po të bëheshe me ne! Pse bëre kështu? - Zotni, - iu përgjigj Prekë Cali, - faji bie mbi ju, se ju u batë aleat me anmikun shekullor tonin, me Serbin.” (Butka, f. 16)

Also add also this :

"Ishin kohë të vështira e mbijetese për Atdheun. Grabiqarët e shteteve të Evropës, me harta ndër duar, vështronin të pangopshëm trupin e rrudhosur të vendit të shqiponjave. Mes bjeshkëve të thepisura, përpara u doli piramida e kufirit Prenkë Cali.

- Se kemi kufirin këtu me Malin e Zi, - foli rreptë ai. - Këtu, këtu - çirrej para Komisionit përfaqësuesi i Malit të Zi. - Këtu janë Bjeshkët e Kuçit, - këmbëngulte malaziasi. - Jooooo Bjeshkët e Kuçit, - ushtoi zëri i trimit të pamposhtur Prenkë Calit. Ata janë Bjeshkët e Kuqe dhe duhet ta dini të gjithë, se emnin e morën nga gjaku ynë në luftrat mbrojtëse të malësorëve shqiptarë.

Për të shuar tonet e nxehta të bisedës, ndërhyri me ironi njëri nga antarët e Komisionit Ndërnacional. - Lëvizni ju gurin, vendoseni atje ku mbaron toka e juaj - iu drejtua me gishtin tregues përfaqsuesi i huaj.

Prenkë Cali, vuri pushkën krahëqafë, u përkul pak para truallit të vet, rroku gurin e larë ndër shekuj me gjak trimash, dhe me duart e forta të një ariu, e ngjeshi pranë gjoksit e me një lëvizje rrufe e kaloi mbi shpatullat e gjëra. Si një dragua, Prenka si një piramidë e gjallë e kufijve të Shqipërisë, nisi të ecë përgjatë kufirit, si ushtar besnik i atdheut të vet. Në ecjen e atij trimi arbëror, zgjerohej frymarrja e malësive tona, të plagosur rëndë nga padrejtësisë e Evropës.

Tokat shqiptare në Malësi, sërisht folën gjuhën e arbërit, falë bijve të denjë të herojve mitik… Prenkë Cali, ishte kundër copëtimit të trojeve, nuk pranoi të shitet për para në dëm të trojeve shqiptare siç bënë disa të tjerë. Me këmnguljen e tij të padiskutueshme në mbrojtje të kufijve shqiptarë, ndikoi mjaft, që Shqipëria të mbetet në kufijt e sotëm. Pas këtij vendimi, Serbia mbeti pa dalje në bregdet, kurse Krajl Nikolla i detyruar iku në Itali.

Bashkëkohësi Marash Mali, kujton: “Ucë Turku, bisedonte shumë herësh në veçanti me Prenkën.

Ai kishte krijuar përshtypjen se ai kishte shumë cilësi, pothuaj të rralla, që e naltësonin dhe nderonin përsonin e tij në të ardhmen, sidomos për çashtjet patriotike, por asnjiherë nuk ia thonte këto.” http://www.trepca.net/2005/11/051125_piramida_kufirit_shqiptar_pjeter_cali.htm

Prsh vëlla e pashë që më ke shkruar në talk page në lidhje me faqen Prek Cali, por nuk e kuptova plotësisht me ç'farë të ndihmoj. Nëse mundesh ma sqaro pak. --Ammar Tivari 09:48, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Shqipe,administratoret sllav po perdorin literaturë propagandistike tek heroi Prek Cali. Po e quajn bashkpuntor te Çetnikve,gje te cilat sjan te verteta. Do te lutesha që të me mbeshtesje,dhe te me ndihmoje,sepse keta po KEQINFORMOJNË shqiptaret dhe botën mbarë! Po te perdoresh literature sllave per shqiptaret gjithmonë ne shqiptaret dalim negavtivë dhe te këqinj. Do ta dija per nder nqs do të kontaktoje me administrator tejrë që të mos lejohet literatura sllave veçanarisht ajo komuniste mbi heronjt tanë kombetar! AlbertBikaj (talk) 23:10, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

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1. Dr.Luigj Marini "Prek Cali dhe kelmendasit" page 12-13
2. http://books.google.me/books?id=ca3IAAAAQBAJ&pg=PR16&dq=Prek+Cali&hl=en&sa=X&ei=DU7gUtjqD8-ihgeOl4HQAQ&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Prek%20Cali&f=false
3. http://books.google.me/books?id=5ONyAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA84&dq=Prek+Cali&hl=en&sa=X&ei=DU7gUtjqD8-ihgeOl4HQAQ&ved=0CEAQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=Prek%20Cali&f=false
4. http://books.google.me/books?id=cq7Md0pmam4C&pg=PA144&dq=Prek+Cali&hl=en&sa=X&ei=DU7gUtjqD8-ihgeOl4HQAQ&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=Prek%20Cali&f=false
5. http://books.google.me/books?id=9p-VGQAACAAJ&dq=Prek+Cali&hl=en&sa=X&ei=UVHgUtDCK8GphAep24CYAw&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAQ
6. http://www.illyriaentertainment.com/projects-prenk.htm