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| ::::You're absolutely correct, you're the one that took offense by the change and reverted it. If you're going to cite a policy that allows for both styles and then state that "Edit warring over optional styles is unacceptable", then this perceived problem is entirely '''your''' creation. I'm not the one that others have accused of ] and this kind of behavior is an example of that. --] (]) 03:00, 28 April 2014 (UTC) | ::::You're absolutely correct, you're the one that took offense by the change and reverted it. If you're going to cite a policy that allows for both styles and then state that "Edit warring over optional styles is unacceptable", then this perceived problem is entirely '''your''' creation. I'm not the one that others have accused of ] and this kind of behavior is an example of that. --] (]) 03:00, 28 April 2014 (UTC) | ||
| I fear on this issue, I think LB has the better of you. Between the bit quoted above, and ] the onus would be on you to develop a consensus to change. ] (]) 03:06, 28 April 2014 (UTC) | I fear on this issue, I think LB has the better of you. Between the bit quoted above, and ] the onus would be on you to develop a consensus to change. ] (]) 03:06, 28 April 2014 (UTC) | ||
| ::That's understandable stance, but the fault here still lies with LB for reverting the change. If its truly an optional style, then it should not have mattered, but it did and now she's defending it. That's a pretty straightforward indication of ]. I made a change, LB made an "issue" out of it. We would not be having this discussion if it were not the case. --] (]) 03:11, 28 April 2014 (UTC) | |||
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Go to ANI if you don't like it but my comment is not a personal attack and as I'm in part refuting your attempt to argue a ridiculous bases for notability you are misrepresentating the state of discussion when you do that. Please stop edit/revert warring. if you have a problem with a specific part of my comment then drop me note on my talkpage to explain exactly where the issue is but frankly you need to grow a thicker skin. You have said equally strong things about other editors who you disagree with but that doesn't seem to bother you. Spartaz 14:55, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
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I've declined the speedy and moved the article for China Spy back to the editor's userspace. It wasn't so unambiguously promotional that I'd have speedied it for that, although it could have been speedied as a recreation of a page deleted (sort of) at AfD. But since the edits are recent, I moved it back to the userspace. Now if they do re-add it to the mainspace, you can always speedy it under WP:G4 or re-take it to AfD, I suppose. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 09:16, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
- Fair enough, I was new page patrolling when I came across it. I checked several of the sources could not find a release date anywhere for the movie. It's like someone is trying to drum up support to make it, not actually document a film that its any stage of production. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 16:32, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
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Could you do me and other editors on the Gun politics in the U.S. page and not make lots of edits in one edit - and leave better edit summaries? Edits like this one. I used to do these kinds, for which I'd get my head chewed off. Thanks. Lightbreather (talk) 23:00, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
- While I can appreciate your perception of my edits, I'm editing in the same way that I do on any article, gun related or otherwise. Difs can be perceived both ways, I'm not someone who is trying to quickly rack up an edit count, but I do try to edit in "manageable chunks". Its not unusual for me to do "full article" edits and completely overhaul a stub or badly formatted article.
- As for my edit summaries, sure, I'm happy to add more detail. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 23:09, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks. I'm not asking you to change your habits across Misplaced Pages - only on gun related articles. I think that's fair, since others (including myself) have been asked to do so. Lightbreather (talk) 23:17, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
- Like I said, I'm happy to add more detail to the Summaries, but I'm not making any promises regarding my edit style. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 23:24, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
- OK. But if anyone gives me any crap about doing "big" edits like that, I hope you won't join in... and maybe even help me. :-) Lightbreather (talk) 00:00, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
- Hey, I'll be the first to defend good editing, grammar, vocabulary usage, and reasonable thinking even if it means a complete reversal of an opinion I hold. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 00:04, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
- OK. But if anyone gives me any crap about doing "big" edits like that, I hope you won't join in... and maybe even help me. :-) Lightbreather (talk) 00:00, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
- Like I said, I'm happy to add more detail to the Summaries, but I'm not making any promises regarding my edit style. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 23:24, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks. I'm not asking you to change your habits across Misplaced Pages - only on gun related articles. I think that's fair, since others (including myself) have been asked to do so. Lightbreather (talk) 23:17, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
Where should we discuss this?
Obviously we have a disagreement about the 21st century advocacy section and sources. I though this last edit and summary of yours was a little harsh. Where shall we discuss? If not here, would you start the discussion? Lightbreather (talk) 00:18, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
- I already started it here... --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 00:20, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
- Huh? That link seems to be about the Types of firearms section, which I think is overblown for the article - so I thank you for that. Lightbreather (talk) 00:23, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
- My apologies, you meant the explanation stuff. OK... here. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 00:29, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
- Huh? That link seems to be about the Types of firearms section, which I think is overblown for the article - so I thank you for that. Lightbreather (talk) 00:23, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
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I think you're being a bit unreasonable here, particularly since the initial edit you reverted treated the President's comment as a statement of fact. My edit clearly attributed it to him and added the NRA because he directed his comment at Republicans and the NRA. I think you should compare my initial edit to the version before. --75.68.97.241 (talk) 18:28, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
- It's quite clearly you that being unreasonable. I removed the commentary entirely, no president's remarks, no parties, no NRA. The article is about the shooting and the section is about things related to gun control since the incident. What's unreasonable about keeping the political debate and rhetoric out of this artile? --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 18:37, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
- The entire section is about commentary. It's the subsection under "Reactions" covering "Gun control". The push for more gun control (and resultant push against it) was perhaps the most prominent national reaction to Sandy Hook. The section opens with a direct quote from the President explaining his intentions, the body of the section contains quotes and reactions from various politicians and groups on both sides of the debate, and the closing covers the defeat of the only Bill that saw a vote at the national level, and quotes from both sides of the aisle, including the President. That's not just neutral, that's good writing, I think. The only part I took out was a single word that treated Obama's words as fact (and since he was criticizing Republicans and the NRA, that's clearly not neutral), and adding the NRA, since in the quote he specifically directs his criticism at both Republicans and the NRA.
- I'm note sure what you're classifying as rhetoric, but your suggestion to keep politics out of a section specifically covering a political issue confuses me. If anything this section should cover legislative reaction to Sandy Hook (ie, new gun control laws in Colorado, New York, Maryland and Connecticut) in far more detail. --75.68.97.241 (talk) 19:47, 8 April 2014 (UTC)
- From my perspective you seem to be confusing rhetoric (and editorial) with facts. The President's remarks about the push for gun control are appropriate, his views on the parties regarding the legislation not going he wanted it to are not. Do you understand the difference? The comments invite other editorial opinion and that is not what the article is about, plain and simple. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 00:49, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
- That's a reasonable take, but I still disagree, largely because the president was the focal-point for gun control efforts, so when they failed it's reasonable to include his reaction. The section also includes analysis from the NRA and a reaction from a Republican lawmaker. Misplaced Pages can't endorse a specific viewpoint (as some of the editors on the talk page certainly did), but it can report the viewpoints of others. It's reasonable to believe that readers will agree with one and disagree with another, and as evidence I'll use another comment from the talk section from an editor who apparently felt the article unfairly represented the pro-gun rights side. As it stands I feel the article fairly covers both while endorsing neither. --75.68.97.241 (talk) 18:09, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
- From my perspective you seem to be confusing rhetoric (and editorial) with facts. The President's remarks about the push for gun control are appropriate, his views on the parties regarding the legislation not going he wanted it to are not. Do you understand the difference? The comments invite other editorial opinion and that is not what the article is about, plain and simple. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 00:49, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
Just FYI - it seems there have been some pretty drastic changes to the article over the past 48 hours. I've made my opinions known and will now likely recuse myself of further edits, outside reverting vandalism and keeping an eye on the conspiracy theory article. Thanks for your time, and I'm sorry you and I could not come to a consensus. --75.68.97.241 (talk) 19:11, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
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- Although I truly appreciate your efforts in saving articles for notable pornographic actors and actresses, I'm afraid you might be a little confused about WP:PORNBIO. If pornography is all a certain actor/actress is known for, s/he isn't automatically notable if s/he won any porn award (group and scene-related awards don't qualify, although they did in the past). Of course, there are exceptions when the actor is also notable elsewhere; for example, Raven Rockette is still notable because she also did some mainstream work.
- Have a nice day. :) Erpert 01:35, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
- Circa the end of January when the edit you're referring to was made, I'd have to say that many of us were "confused" regarding the PORNBIO guidelines. I'm not sure of when I became aware of the "scene awards don't qualify" exception, but I am now. I realize that we, for the most part, are trying to work together for the betterment of the site, but a lot has happened with the Porn guidelines in the last few months. Even I'll admit that there are more than a few articles that should have never been created to begin with. Regards, --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 17:56, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
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The original percentages in numerals were MOS compliant. Why do you insist on spelling them out? Lightbreather (talk) 01:52, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
- Simple, words force the reader to actually read the text in its context and not just skim it. It actually helps to convey the information in a cohesive manner. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 01:55, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
- According to whom? I follow the AP Styleguide and it say no such thing. Lightbreather (talk) 02:16, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
- I follow my experience from twenty-five years of editing, then again I'm just as capable of writing crap as anyone. I'm also in favor on not dumbing down articles to a 5th grade reader level like most newspapers. If you choose to use a writing guide, that's your prerogative. Please don't be upset when others do not wish to have it inflicted on them. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 02:28, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
- That reply was a bit harsh. Misplaced Pages follows std style rules unless there's an agreement on an exception. You have 3 Rs on Gun control after the Sandy Hook Elementary school shooting, I think. I hope you'll let it go. Lightbreather (talk) 02:34, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
- Any perception of harshness is entirely in your interpretation. Please own up to that and stop blaming others for how you feel. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 03:00, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
- To be fair, wikipedia follows wikipedia's style guide. AP is a nice guide, but it has no relevance to the wiki. Both forms are allowed in MOS:NUMERAL and this is an item that will just have to be dealt with via consensus. But to both of you, aren't there real issues where our energy is better spent than bickering over what format we put numbers in? Gaijin42 (talk) 02:40, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
- From WP:MOS:
- Style and formatting should be consistent within an article, though not necessarily throughout Misplaced Pages. Where more than one style is acceptable, editors should not change an article from one of those styles to another without a good reason. Edit warring over optional styles is unacceptable. If discussion cannot determine which style to use in an article, defer to the style used by the first major contributor.
- The 2nd and final sentences apply especially here, I think. Lightbreather (talk) 02:51, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
- From WP:MOS:
- You're absolutely correct, you're the one that took offense by the change and reverted it. If you're going to cite a policy that allows for both styles and then state that "Edit warring over optional styles is unacceptable", then this perceived problem is entirely your creation. I'm not the one that others have accused of OWNERSHIP and this kind of behavior is an example of that. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 03:00, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
- That reply was a bit harsh. Misplaced Pages follows std style rules unless there's an agreement on an exception. You have 3 Rs on Gun control after the Sandy Hook Elementary school shooting, I think. I hope you'll let it go. Lightbreather (talk) 02:34, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
- I follow my experience from twenty-five years of editing, then again I'm just as capable of writing crap as anyone. I'm also in favor on not dumbing down articles to a 5th grade reader level like most newspapers. If you choose to use a writing guide, that's your prerogative. Please don't be upset when others do not wish to have it inflicted on them. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 02:28, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
- According to whom? I follow the AP Styleguide and it say no such thing. Lightbreather (talk) 02:16, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
I fear on this issue, I think LB has the better of you. Between the bit quoted above, and WP:STATUSQUO the onus would be on you to develop a consensus to change. Gaijin42 (talk) 03:06, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
- That's understandable stance, but the fault here still lies with LB for reverting the change. If its truly an optional style, then it should not have mattered, but it did and now she's defending it. That's a pretty straightforward indication of WP:OWNERSHIP. I made a change, LB made an "issue" out of it. We would not be having this discussion if it were not the case. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 03:11, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
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I only meant to revert that last change, not the one before. Sorry. I have re-implemented your prior edit. Gaijin42 (talk) 02:14, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
- Note to Lightbreather and Scalhotrod on that, I am not taking a stand either way on the numeral change, I just didn't mean to revert that, so I undid my own change. I shouldn't be counted toward consensus either way on that point. Gaijin42 (talk) 02:17, 28 April 2014 (UTC)
- No worries, thanks for letting me know. BTW, I reverted the restoration of the appointment. The source cited makes no connection to the Sandy Hook incident. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 02:19, 28 April 2014 (UTC)