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* '''Comment'''. Just to inform fellow editors: it appears that the nomination of this page by ] for deletion is a “bad faith” deletion attempt. ] has recently submitted deletion nominations for all of the following ]-related articles: ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ], ]. And in the article ], ] will not accept ANY websites as “verifiable” websites with regard to ACIM, including and , both of which are the official websites of California-based non-profit organizations. This editor's deletion attempts are merely personal bias masquerading as adherence to Misplaced Pages policy. And it appears that this editor has a history with this kind of behavior. Please see: ] -- ] 07:57, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

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''Reason the page should be deleted:'' ''Reason the page should be deleted:''


'''This article is noncompliant to ] based on:''' '''] believes that this article is noncompliant to ] based on:'''


* ] - This article appears to meet criterion for a speedy deletion: Unremarkable people or groups/vanity pages. An article about a real person, group of people, band, or club that does not assert the importance or significance of its subject. * ] - This article appears to meet criterion for a speedy deletion: Unremarkable people or groups/vanity pages. An article about a real person, group of people, band, or club that does not assert the importance or significance of its subject.

:'''Comment'''. Completely subjective and biased statement. ] is one of the most notable books in the entire ] and ] genre. Foundation for Inner Peace is the original and current publisher of ACIM. -- ] 08:19, 27 June 2006 (UTC)


* ] - This subject of this article fails to meet the criteria for companies and corporations. * ] - This subject of this article fails to meet the criteria for companies and corporations.
:'''Comment''' Could this possibly be because the subject in question is not a company or a corporation but a ]? -- ] 08:26, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

] Self-promotion and product placement are not the routes to having an encyclopaedia article. The published works must be someone else writing about the company, corporation, product, or service. ] Self-promotion and product placement are not the routes to having an encyclopaedia article. The published works must be someone else writing about the company, corporation, product, or service.

:'''Comment''' This is not "self-promotion" by any stretch of the imagination. Take a look at the history of the page and see that this article was started by a man named ]. On his personal website, Scott Perry is identified as a "student" of ACIM who lives in ] and is a professional "licensed master plumber" . Foundation for Inner Peace, on the other hand, is in California and was started by Judy Skutch, a woman who comes from a wealthy New York family that, during her childhood, used to entertain ] during breakfast (citation: ]). Mrs. Skutch hardly needs the help of a professional plumber in getting word out about the organization she helped to found. (No disrespect to plumbers. The point I'm making is obvious.) Foundation for Inner Peace did not start this article. Besides, they are a non-profit organization that does not need any advertisement anyway. ACIM has been a steady seller for more than 20 years. Go to any bookstore and you will find it there ... all without any promotion! (You will never see an ad for ACIM in any magazine. It doesn't need it. It is grass roots and spread by word of mouth.) -- ] 08:19, 27 June 2006 (UTC)



* ] - Misplaced Pages is not a soapbox or a vehicle for propaganda and advertising. Therefore, Misplaced Pages articles are not propaganda or advocacy of any kind. * ] - Misplaced Pages is not a soapbox or a vehicle for propaganda and advertising. Therefore, Misplaced Pages articles are not propaganda or advocacy of any kind.

:'''Comment'''. Nor is Misplaced Pages a place for people to disguise their own personal bias as neutral editorial procedure. -- ] 08:19, 27 June 2006 (UTC)


* ] - This article attempts to establish that an ''Foundation for Inner Peace'' is reputible and notable based upon the existence of two relatively unknown web-sites, one it's own, and two internally linked "Related Links" pages, both of which create a circular reference to themselves. This violation of policy is '''not''' about the topic matter content. It doesn't matter if the topic matter is true or not. * ] - This article attempts to establish that an ''Foundation for Inner Peace'' is reputible and notable based upon the existence of two relatively unknown web-sites, one it's own, and two internally linked "Related Links" pages, both of which create a circular reference to themselves. This violation of policy is '''not''' about the topic matter content. It doesn't matter if the topic matter is true or not.
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::2. that those sources are reliable. ::2. that those sources are reliable.
:It is therefore based solely on original research. :It is therefore based solely on original research.

:'''Comment'''. Misplaced Pages states that there is a difference between "notable" and "famous." Foundation for Inner Peace is not famous. But it IS notable. Whether you had heard of these sites or organizations is not the point. The point is that within their field these organizations are notable. Oh, and it is hardly "original research" to mention an organization and then link to that organization's official website. That is actually called "verification," the thing you have claimed on three ACIM-related pages to hold so dear, and yet it is also the thing you cannot accept with regard to ACIM. -- ] 08:19, 27 June 2006 (UTC)


* ] - This article is wholly information which is unverifiable. According to policy; facts, viewpoints, theories, and arguments may only be included in articles if they have already been published by ]. Articles should cite these sources whenever possible. Any unsourced material may be challenged and removed. Failing ], the topic of this article is insufficiently reputible to be referencing itself. * ] - This article is wholly information which is unverifiable. According to policy; facts, viewpoints, theories, and arguments may only be included in articles if they have already been published by ]. Articles should cite these sources whenever possible. Any unsourced material may be challenged and removed. Failing ], the topic of this article is insufficiently reputible to be referencing itself.

:'''Comment'''. This information is entirely verifiable if you read what is linked to in the article. For some unusual reason, you will not accept this. You just do not want ACIM to be notable. Your personal bias is showing. -- ] 08:19, 27 June 2006 (UTC)


* ] - This article is not written from the neutral point of view, and appears to hope to advertise the external links. * ] - This article is not written from the neutral point of view, and appears to hope to advertise the external links.

:'''Comment'''. The proper response to such a situation is to work to improve the article, not to delete it entirely. If the article is about a notable topic (and it is), then it needs to be worked on, not deleted. -- ] 08:19, 27 June 2006 (UTC)


:'''and serves only to further promote non-notable topics rather than to report what is notable. ] 19:08, 26 June 2006 (UTC) :'''and serves only to further promote non-notable topics rather than to report what is notable. ] 19:08, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

:'''Comment'''. According to whom? ''You?'' So, your word over thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of people that ACIM is not notable? Do a search for ACIM and see how many hits you get. -- ] 08:19, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

*'''Delete''' as ad, but merge any useful material to main ACIM article. ] 21:01, 26 June 2006 (UTC) *'''Delete''' as ad, but merge any useful material to main ACIM article. ] 21:01, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' as spamvertisement --] 21:27, 26 June 2006 (UTC) *'''Delete''' as spamvertisement --] 21:27, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
* '''Keep''' notable group. I hope that other editors on this page realize that the person who nominated this page, an editor by the name of ], is currently on a rampage against ]. Despite the fact that there is a great deal of very acceptable and verified information about ACIM (as well as Foundation for Inner Peace), this editor wants two pages about the topic deleted, and on the main ACIM page he/she will not listen to reason and accept a verified and trustworthy citation when one is presented. This particular editor is working from the basis of personal bias. Please take this into account. -- ] 08:00, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Revision as of 08:49, 28 June 2006

Foundation for Inner Peace

Reason the page should be deleted:

Ste4k believes that this article is noncompliant to Misplaced Pages content policy based on:

  • WP:CSD#A7 - This article appears to meet criterion for a speedy deletion: Unremarkable people or groups/vanity pages. An article about a real person, group of people, band, or club that does not assert the importance or significance of its subject.
Comment. Completely subjective and biased statement. A Course In Miracles is one of the most notable books in the entire New Age and New Thought genre. Foundation for Inner Peace is the original and current publisher of ACIM. -- Andrew Parodi 08:19, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
  • WP:CORP - This subject of this article fails to meet the criteria for companies and corporations.
Comment Could this possibly be because the subject in question is not a company or a corporation but a non-profit organization? -- Andrew Parodi 08:26, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Note: Self-promotion and product placement are not the routes to having an encyclopaedia article. The published works must be someone else writing about the company, corporation, product, or service.

Comment This is not "self-promotion" by any stretch of the imagination. Take a look at the history of the page and see that this article was started by a man named Scott Perry. On his personal website, Scott Perry is identified as a "student" of ACIM who lives in Ann Arbor, Michigan and is a professional "licensed master plumber" . Foundation for Inner Peace, on the other hand, is in California and was started by Judy Skutch, a woman who comes from a wealthy New York family that, during her childhood, used to entertain Eleanor Roosevelt during breakfast (citation: Journey Without Distance). Mrs. Skutch hardly needs the help of a professional plumber in getting word out about the organization she helped to found. (No disrespect to plumbers. The point I'm making is obvious.) Foundation for Inner Peace did not start this article. Besides, they are a non-profit organization that does not need any advertisement anyway. ACIM has been a steady seller for more than 20 years. Go to any bookstore and you will find it there ... all without any promotion! (You will never see an ad for ACIM in any magazine. It doesn't need it. It is grass roots and spread by word of mouth.) -- Andrew Parodi 08:19, 27 June 2006 (UTC)


  • WP:NOT - Misplaced Pages is not a soapbox or a vehicle for propaganda and advertising. Therefore, Misplaced Pages articles are not propaganda or advocacy of any kind.
Comment. Nor is Misplaced Pages a place for people to disguise their own personal bias as neutral editorial procedure. -- Andrew Parodi 08:19, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
  • WP:NOR - This article attempts to establish that an Foundation for Inner Peace is reputible and notable based upon the existence of two relatively unknown web-sites, one it's own, and two internally linked "Related Links" pages, both of which create a circular reference to themselves. This violation of policy is not about the topic matter content. It doesn't matter if the topic matter is true or not.
It only matters:
1. that what is put in the article matches the sources.
2. that those sources are reliable.
It is therefore based solely on original research.
Comment. Misplaced Pages states that there is a difference between "notable" and "famous." Foundation for Inner Peace is not famous. But it IS notable. Whether you had heard of these sites or organizations is not the point. The point is that within their field these organizations are notable. Oh, and it is hardly "original research" to mention an organization and then link to that organization's official website. That is actually called "verification," the thing you have claimed on three ACIM-related pages to hold so dear, and yet it is also the thing you cannot accept with regard to ACIM. -- Andrew Parodi 08:19, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
  • WP:VER - This article is wholly information which is unverifiable. According to policy; facts, viewpoints, theories, and arguments may only be included in articles if they have already been published by reliable and reputable sources. Articles should cite these sources whenever possible. Any unsourced material may be challenged and removed. Failing WP:CORP, the topic of this article is insufficiently reputible to be referencing itself.
Comment. This information is entirely verifiable if you read what is linked to in the article. For some unusual reason, you will not accept this. You just do not want ACIM to be notable. Your personal bias is showing. -- Andrew Parodi 08:19, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
  • WP:NPOV - This article is not written from the neutral point of view, and appears to hope to advertise the external links.
Comment. The proper response to such a situation is to work to improve the article, not to delete it entirely. If the article is about a notable topic (and it is), then it needs to be worked on, not deleted. -- Andrew Parodi 08:19, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
and serves only to further promote non-notable topics rather than to report what is notable. Ste4k 19:08, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Comment. According to whom? You? So, your word over thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of people that ACIM is not notable? Do a search for ACIM and see how many hits you get. -- Andrew Parodi 08:19, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete as ad, but merge any useful material to main ACIM article. JChap 21:01, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete as spamvertisement --Nick Y. 21:27, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep notable group. I hope that other editors on this page realize that the person who nominated this page, an editor by the name of Ste4k, is currently on a rampage against A Course In Miracles. Despite the fact that there is a great deal of very acceptable and verified information about ACIM (as well as Foundation for Inner Peace), this editor wants two pages about the topic deleted, and on the main ACIM page he/she will not listen to reason and accept a verified and trustworthy citation when one is presented. This particular editor is working from the basis of personal bias. Please take this into account. -- Andrew Parodi 08:00, 27 June 2006 (UTC)