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Who is the widower?

While reading this Misplaced Pages article, I have a question. The last sentence of paragraph 2 under the Plot heading says, "The mullah, the village's mayor, and Ali ask Zahra to persuade Soraya to care for the widower ..."

Question: Who is the widower? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mpool913 (talk • contribs) 23:52, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

In the third paragraph of the plot section it says "Some days following the incident, a woman dies. The mullah, the village's mayor, and Ali ask Zahra to persuade Soraya to care for the widower. Zahra suggests that Soraya may do the job if she is paid." This is where the widower comes from. --Spuzzdawg (talk) 22:58, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Widower

The. widower, Hashem, is played by Parviz Sayyad, an Iranian actor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.141.208.115 (talk) 10:21, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Neutrality dispute

There's a legend about a neutrality dispute of this article in the article's page. I see no discussion about this article's neutrality in this talk page. If it's all the same to you I'll go ahead and remove the legend from the article as I don't see any information in the article that is partial to any one point of view. Carlos Tapia 03:18, 28 March 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by McCharles (talk • contribs)

Fiction

This story is fiction and even Western sources agree about it: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/amnesty-international/sensationalist-film-explo_b_220252.html --Qizilbash123 (talk) 15:46, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

@Qizilbash123: It seems like that the article should have a section that discusses the nature of the story. The Huffington Post says "purportedly" in regard to the story and talks more about how this film presents stoning-for-adultery as ongoing. NPR states, "The film is based on the true story of an Iranian woman stoned by her neighbors after refusing to give her husband a divorce. The film is modeled after the 1994 book by French-Iranian journalist Freidoune Sahebjam." We need to assess the reliable sources to see what we can put together per WP:NPOV. Maybe a "Depiction of stoning" section? That would discuss the story background as well as the sensationalism. Erik (talk | contrib) 15:57, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

@Erik: Yes, you can find 100's of articles which says it's based on true story, just because author of novel says so. Regarding his reability about issue you can see English cover of book from 1994 which states "1000 women have been stoned in past 15 years". Amnesty International claimed about 70 in early 2010's, while Iranian judicary official says zero. No matter which estimate you consider as valid, claims made by writter doesn't make any sense. There are many of Persian reviews regarding this movie with detailed description of tens errors in story, but since it's hard to verify for non-Persian speakers you may go for some Western reviews: Amnesty specialist above, Richard Nilsen from The Arizona Republic, Wesley Morris from Boston Globe, etc. --Qizilbash123 (talk) 21:19, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

P.S. Regarding NPOV: I didn't insert anything about propagandistic nature (which can be pretty well sourced), I just removed POV claims about story being "true". --Qizilbash123 (talk) 21:23, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I'm a little confused about what you're disputing. It looks like the account is from 1986. Are you disputing the validity of that account? I did not see anything that questioned this account before the film was produced, though it looks like some film-related sources are reluctant to validate that account. Now, the film is a dramatization based on the account, so we can reference a source like The Huffington Post to discuss the actual status of stoning in contemporary Iran. Erik (talk | contrib) 21:53, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes, because story itself is a fiction. Film is based on book, and book is based on Sahebjam's fiction. I think there are already articles related to Iranian judicary so discussion is irrelevant in article about movie itself. --Qizilbash123 (talk) 05:29, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

@Marmoulak: You can join our discussion. Qizilbash123, what reliable sources verify that the story is fiction? Like I mentioned, I did not find anything that disputed the validity of the account. Erik (talk | contrib) 11:48, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

User Qizilbash123, you need to educate yourself about Misplaced Pages rules and policies such as WP:NPOV and WP:RS before changing articles and reverting other users' contributions. Your changes do not comply with Misplaced Pages's rules. Sources like New york times, Daily Mail and Reuters are neutral and reliable sources that can be used on Misplaced Pages, however Islamist Regimes' propaganda cannot be used as reliable source of information! Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia not an outlet for ideological governments. Your efforts to remove any information in the article that doesn't match the Iranian regime's official account of stoning in Iran is against Misplaced Pages's rules and policies - Marmoulak (talk)

Precisely, that's why we don't take monarchist books and neocon movies as "facts". Credibility of story isn't disputed only by Iran but also Western critics and experts (see above). --Qizilbash123 (talk) 20:15, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

It's not a matter of "western" vs. "Iranian", it's a matter of reliable vs unreliable! While sources like the NYT or Daily Mail or quite reliable, Iranian regime propaganda websites and blogs are not! take your propaganda elsewhere, Misplaced Pages is not the place for that kind of garbage! - Marmoulak (talk) 01:25, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

What does the ahestan.ir source say exactly? Erik (talk | contrib) 20:41, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Ahestan.ir disputes plot calling it both "incredible and funny", and speaks about Hollywood propaganda. Basically it says similar to review by Wesley Morris. This is my point: we have many sources calling it both "true story" and "false/propaganda", it's not to us to conclude which side is correct but to keep neutrality by avoiding it both as fact. That's why I inserted criticism inside of article without lead with "false/propaganda" supported by 5-6 links. Marmoulak has tried to do opossite with "true story", so it's pure bias. --Qizilbash123 (talk) 20:56, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Ahestan.ir does not comply with either WP:NPOV or WP:RS. It's an Islamist blog, pure garbage - Marmoulak (talk) 01:25, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

It's written by Omid Hosseini, but numerious other Persian sources can be included. You're reverting everything (including three Western sources) so it's pure bias. --Qizilbash123 (talk) 01:54, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Your lack of comprehension makes it difficult to discuss this rationally! This is not a matter of "Western" vs "Persian", it's a matter of reliable vs unreliable (WP:RS). The reliable sources you have inserted don't back your claims and the Islamist blogs you are using as sources do not meet WP:RS and WP:NPOV - Marmoulak (talk) 02:48, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

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