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| :I'll also point out that even if BelindaGong and Freethinker99 are real people, they and Giovanni were still in violation of the ] policy, which I strongly urge you to read. If a user registers a second account, and uses it to gain extra reverts and votes, the second account is a sockpuppet. But if the user gets friends and family members to join and to revert to his version, and vote for what he wants, then they are meatpuppets. Using meatpuppets is still a violation of the policy. Telling friends about Misplaced Pages is fine. Getting friends to join in order to give extra support (reverts, votes, and appearance of consensus on talk pages) is not considered acceptable. I'll be interested in your comments. ] ] 00:23, 27 June 2006 (UTC) | :I'll also point out that even if BelindaGong and Freethinker99 are real people, they and Giovanni were still in violation of the ] policy, which I strongly urge you to read. If a user registers a second account, and uses it to gain extra reverts and votes, the second account is a sockpuppet. But if the user gets friends and family members to join and to revert to his version, and vote for what he wants, then they are meatpuppets. Using meatpuppets is still a violation of the policy. Telling friends about Misplaced Pages is fine. Getting friends to join in order to give extra support (reverts, votes, and appearance of consensus on talk pages) is not considered acceptable. I'll be interested in your comments. ] ] 00:23, 27 June 2006 (UTC) | ||
| ::I did not want to dignify your questions with a response but since you seem rather obsessed with this issue, I might as well. I am not a socket puppet nor do I know Giovanni in real life. I have reviewed the evidence against Giovanni, but I do not find it so terrible as you seem to make out. It seems he did invite a friend and his wife did edit and did not want to disclose it. I think that is his right to privacy and I respect that. Maybe they are deemed to be meat-puppets, but I think it’s terribly uncivil to refer to real people as meat-puppets. Surely they have their own minds and can make their own decisions. I see that Giovanni is often gang-up on by what looks like a closed-knit group of Christian editors who are dedicated to their POV, often with Giovanni being alone in trying to balance out articles on related subject matters. Its clear that part of the general tactics used against him is to paint any other editors who share his POV as socket-puppets. I note that I am now labeled with this myself, despite the fact that I have edited on various articles in which Giovanni has never touched, nor shown an interest in. So the "evidence" is rather selective. To me all this is merely a zealous adjenda you have to get silenceeditors who oppose your POV. That is what I think most people will be horrified by, including myself, as its antithetical to the interests and quality of this project.] 17:02, 29 June 2006 (UTC) | |||
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I reviewed the policies, and have been lurking for some time now. So in a way Im not a newbie entriely.
Cards on the table
Hello, Professor33, you have doubtless noticed that owing to Giovanni33's underhand behaviour in the past, either registering several accounts himself and using them to gain extra votes and reverts, or having his wife and a friend (and almost certainly other friends) join Misplaced Pages for that purpose while pretending not to know them, there is inevitably a certain amount of suspicion when a new user turns up, shows considerable familiarity with Misplaced Pages, and supports Giovanni, following him from one page to another and reverting for him. In the case of such a user having absolutely no connection to Giovanni, such suspicion must seem unfair, but it is impossible to avoid it. If it were discovered that Str1977 and I were married to each other, and had been when we joined Misplaced Pages, while putting on a pretence of initially not knowing each other and of gradually getting to know each other better, other editors would justifiably view us with suspicion, and would also view with suspicion any new editor who began to revert to something one of us wanted.
You say above that you have reviewed the policies and been lurking here. If the WP:SOCK policy is not one of those that you have reviewed, please do so now, and state clearly what your position here is on Misplaced Pages.
Apologies for this, if you're completely unconnected to Giovanni, though if you are, I'm sure you'll be horrified by his past behaviour (which by the way, he has never acknowledged as being wrong), and will therefore understand why such a question is necessary. Regards. AnnH ♫ 17:52, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
- P.S. You'll find more background information about this problem here. AnnH ♫ 19:44, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
- I'll also point out that even if BelindaGong and Freethinker99 are real people, they and Giovanni were still in violation of the WP:SOCK policy, which I strongly urge you to read. If a user registers a second account, and uses it to gain extra reverts and votes, the second account is a sockpuppet. But if the user gets friends and family members to join and to revert to his version, and vote for what he wants, then they are meatpuppets. Using meatpuppets is still a violation of the policy. Telling friends about Misplaced Pages is fine. Getting friends to join in order to give extra support (reverts, votes, and appearance of consensus on talk pages) is not considered acceptable. I'll be interested in your comments. AnnH ♫ 00:23, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
- I did not want to dignify your questions with a response but since you seem rather obsessed with this issue, I might as well. I am not a socket puppet nor do I know Giovanni in real life. I have reviewed the evidence against Giovanni, but I do not find it so terrible as you seem to make out. It seems he did invite a friend and his wife did edit and did not want to disclose it. I think that is his right to privacy and I respect that. Maybe they are deemed to be meat-puppets, but I think it’s terribly uncivil to refer to real people as meat-puppets. Surely they have their own minds and can make their own decisions. I see that Giovanni is often gang-up on by what looks like a closed-knit group of Christian editors who are dedicated to their POV, often with Giovanni being alone in trying to balance out articles on related subject matters. Its clear that part of the general tactics used against him is to paint any other editors who share his POV as socket-puppets. I note that I am now labeled with this myself, despite the fact that I have edited on various articles in which Giovanni has never touched, nor shown an interest in. So the "evidence" is rather selective. To me all this is merely a zealous adjenda you have to get silenceeditors who oppose your POV. That is what I think most people will be horrified by, including myself, as its antithetical to the interests and quality of this project.Professor33 17:02, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
3RR warning
Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages under the three-revert rule, which states that nobody may revert an article to a previous version more than three times in 24 hours. (Note: this also means editing the page to reinsert an old edit. If the effect of your actions is to revert back, it qualifies as a revert.) Thank you. AnnH ♫ 16:14, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
- I hope you follow your own advice!Professor33 16:46, 29 June 2006 (UTC)