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History of the Jews in Nepal

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The article is purported to be about history, but the article describes no history, with the earliest date referred to being 1986, with absolutely no historical context or relevance. The article does not meet the notability criteria. Ubikwit_{見学/迷惑} 08:52, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

• Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Log/2014 June 19. —cyberbot I _Online 09:14, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
• Comment That may be an argument for renaming the article, but certainly not for deletion. RolandR (talk) 10:00, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
• Merge with Israel-Nepal relations. That is essentially what this article is about. L'Aquotique (talk) 10:06, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

That sounds like the most appropriate option.--Ubikwit_{見学/迷惑} 10:30, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Nepal-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:16, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:16, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

• Keep - I would err on the side of assuming notability, as this article comes from a link in the almost-entirely-filled-out {{Asia in topic|History of the Jews in}} template. The topic seems pretty notable, and if the article could do with some (or a lot of) expansion, that's not a matter for AfD. ∴ ZX95 02:25, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

There is no' history to speak of whatsoever in the article. It is not an article bout history. Accordingly, not only is notable as history, and the article should be merged as per L'Aquotique, because it is not an article about anything else, properly speaking.--Ubikwit_{見学/迷惑} 03:39, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

• Keep for a number of reasons. Firstly, the current content of the article is mostly about the work of Chabad who are a Hasidic Orthodox religious Jewish outreach group that has nothing to do with the secular Jewish state of Israel as such, they are based out of Brooklyn, New York, USA, and it would not make sense to make that part of Nepal-USA relations either! Secondly, Jewish history spans 3,000+ years, while the modern state of Israel was founded only in 1948! "Jewish history" and "Israel" are not the same thing, if anything Israel as a topic is a sub-group of Jewish history. Nepal's history is also divided into different eras stretching back millennia and there is still lots of ongoing scholarship. Thirdly, Nepal is a unique country that straddles the Himalayas. Nepal is landlocked to the south by India on three sides and by China to the north. Thus Nepal's history is tied in with the history of (a) the Himalayas, (b) northern India, and (c) southern China -- and that is how one can find references that have a direct bearing on the "History of the Jews in Nepal"! Finally, therefore, see for example South Asian ethnic groups: "Indo-Aryans form the predominant ethno-linguistic group in Northern India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Nepal, Sri Lanka and the Maldives...Syrian Malabar Nasranis are descendents of both Hindu and Jewish converts to Christianity" and Googling "Jews + Himalayas", "Jews + northern India", "Jews + southern China" reveals a connection between Jews and Nepal and an intersection in Jewish history with the history of Nepal, see Origins and Migrations in the Extended Eastern Himalayas: ("...A second nation included the Jews and Arabs, the Assyrians..."); The Bnei Menashe of Northeastern India: ("The Bnei Menashe trace their journey from northern Israel to Assyria— modern-day Iraq—to Afghanistan, and through the Himalayas to Mongolia."); In the Himalayas and on the Indian Plains: (..."Syrian Jews (the tradesmen of 1,900 years ago)"...); Jews Have Been in China A Long, Long Time: ("...a 9th century Arab traveler wrote about his experiences, which included a report of a massacre of Christians, Moslems and Jews in southern China."); India Virtual Jewish History Tour: ("Migrations in the 16th and 17th centuries created important settlements of Jews from Persia, Afghanistan and Characin (Central Asia) in northern India and Kashmir."), and more like this, so please be more careful and do not jump to conclusions. Thank you, IZAK (talk) 07:08, 22 June 2014 (UTC)
  • • First, WP:NOTSOAPBOX and WP:NOTFORUM.

You mention some fringish sources to produce WP:OR in order to support you ivot!, which is inadmissible.

Bnei Menashe has absolutely no connection to Jews before

the Israeli Rabbi Eliyahu Avichail founded Amishav (Hebrew for "My People Return"), an organisation dedicated to locating the lost tribes of Israel and assisting aliyah. He learned of the group in northeastern India in 1983

Note one source or statement you make in that WP:WOT would confer a grain of notability on the article at issue.

Furthermore, now that you point out the connection of Chabad, the article seems like nothing more than a puff piece aimed at promoting the activities of that organization under false pretense.--Ubikwit_{見学/迷惑} 11:35, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi Ubikwit: Thank you for your attempt at a constructive response. However, the more you carry on the more confused and incoherent your responses become. First you want to connect this topic with "Israel" that has nothing to do with Chabad, then you all of a sudden realize (after I point it out yet) that this topic should be connected with "Chabad" and not so much with Israel. This reflects serious confusion that should have been thought through a lot better before you jump to nominate complex topics for anything. Sorry to say it but your entire argument just seems to come off as WP:IDONTLIKEIT which is not good enough here. In any case, the sum of all the sub-topics in this article, i.e. Jews in Nepal, Nepal's relationship with Israel, Chabad's work in Nepal etc all come under the rubric of History of the Jews in Nepal regardless of their numbers, their origins, when they showed up or what they do there, it is all WP:V and based on WP:RS and has much room for growth, see WP:DONOTDEMOLISH and WP:CHANCE. As for your critique of my post, you owe me an apology, because as I pointed out, the correct way to start researching this topic is by looking at the history of the region that Nepal lies in which is in the Himalayas and its geographic surroundings that has been in existence way before the formation of "Nepal" as it is known today and as my citations above show in the course of time various types of Jews have been crisscrossing it for millennia. Thank you, IZAK (talk) 20:28, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

• Keep and link to WP:ODD. Bearian (talk) 17:32, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

That article in no way establishes notability for this article in terms of history.

The only thing odd about it is that it was able to be created in the first place on Misplaced Pages with no relevant content related to the title.

The relevant content seems to belong under two separate articles, according to a couple of the posts above. Some of it belongs in Israel-Nepal relations, and other in Chabad. There has not been a single reliably published statement verifying any historical connection between Nepal and Jews, and according to the first line of the stub, even today

The permanent Jewish community in Nepal is very small and consists largely of diplomatic officials and Chabad staff.

. --Ubikwit_{見学/迷惑} 17:51, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

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