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Barnstar for you

Well, wasn't that pleasant! Curly Turkey (gobble) 01:01, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Category:Comics written by Harvey Kurtzman

Category:Comics written by Harvey Kurtzman, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Armbrust 04:54, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Belated apology

Hello Curly,

Just to say that this was a rash reaction that I soon wished to undo, but found that I'd lost my Internet connection. It's taken until yesterday to restore it, so my apologies for this belated apology.

Best wishes,
Sardanaphalus (talk) 11:22, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

• Sure, no problem. Curly Turkey (gobble) 20:56, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Fuck: Word Taboo and Protecting Our First Amendment Liberties for Featured Article

Notifying you, as you participated in the peer review for the article:

I've nominated Fuck: Word Taboo and Protecting Our First Amendment Liberties for Featured Article candidacy.

Comments would be appreciated, at Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/Fuck: Word Taboo and Protecting Our First Amendment Liberties/archive1.

Thank you for your time,

— Cirt (talk) 05:35, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks very much for your helpful suggestions! I've responded, at Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/Fuck: Word Taboo and Protecting Our First Amendment Liberties/archive1. Perhaps you could revisit your position there? — Cirt (talk) 06:33, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Mind if I move your addressed comments to the talk page? — Cirt (talk) 06:37, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Go ahead. Curly Turkey (gobble) 06:45, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! — Cirt (talk) 06:55, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

FA congratulations

Just a quick note to congratulate you on the promotion of Gods' Man to FA status recently. If you would like to see this (or any other FA) appear as "Today's featured article" soon, please nominate it at the requests page; if you'd like to see an FA on a particular date in the next year or so, please add it to the "pending" list. In the absence of a request, the article may end up being picked at any time (although with 1,326 articles in Category:Featured articles that have not appeared on the main page at present, there's no telling how long – or short! – the wait might be). If you'd got any TFA-related questions or problems, please let me know. Bencherlite 10:32, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

• @Bencherlite: I'd rather hold off on Gods' Man and Wordless novel until, say, a half dozen or so wordless novel articles have been built up—there are quite a number of them, but they're all stubs. It would be disappointing to a reader to come across this whole medium, and then to click through and find nothing but stubs. I have a number of them on my mental "to do" list, and the sources to work them up, just not the time to devote to them. I'll think about one of my other FAs, but none of them really jump out—there are rumours that Harvey Kurtzman's Jungle Book may come back in print after nearly thirty years—I'd rather not tantalize readers with an unobtainable book; it's only been a month since Gertie the Dinosaur was TFA, so another McCay article is probably not a great idea. Maybe Maus? It'd be completely random, but at the same time I guess I can't think of a date it would be associated with. Curly Turkey (gobble) 05:49, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

• Holocaust memorial day? (January 27) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:03, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
  • I suppose, but then that means Bencherlite goes nearly a year without any Turkey.
    I've actually got a couple of articles lined up for FAC that I was thinking of proposing, but it could be months yet for them to get through (my articles tend to take their time attracting reviewers). Curly Turkey (gobble) 06:11, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
    • Fair enough. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:12, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Ezra Pound

Just wanted to stop by and thank you for the peer review comments, which helped to shed light on a few gaps as well as spawning a few sub-pages. Btw - if you upload that Suzuki Harunobu print will you let me know, or if I'm not around dump it in In a Station of the Metro? That was an interesting bit to uncover that I didn't know about before the peer review, and I particularly wanted to thank you for it. Congrats on the above too! Victoria (tk) 22:24, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Victoria: Oh, I uploaded it the day you pointed it out to me (and a few others). It's at File:Suzuki Harunobu - Woman Admiring Plum Blossoms at Night.jpg. I've put it in its "logical" place, which ain't too pretty—I'll let you figure out what you want to do with it. Sorry I never got around to finishing reviewing the Pound article, but it looks like it didn't matter—congratulations on that shiny star! Curly Turkey (gobble) 23:15, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! It's a lovely print. I'll have to sort that page out and it's fine where it's at right now. Victoria (tk) 00:05, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

They had quite a few really nicely scanned ones. I'll have to find the time to download the rest of them. Curly Turkey (gobble) 01:32, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

• The MET? Yes, I ended up starting Der Busant because of one of the tapestries there (needed an article to bring the scan to FPC). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:14, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
  • Whoever they have doing the scanning knows their shit—zoom in on File:Suzuki Harunobu - Evening Snow on the Heater.jpg and see how nicely you can see the embossing. In every other image I found of File:Suzuki Harunobu - Woman Admiring Plum Blossoms at Night.jpg the embossing doesn't even show. Curly Turkey (gobble) 02:21, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
    • Impressive. Very, very, very impressive. That probably means the scanner is set so that the DOF is sufficiently large to get the embossing (but how to do so?). Scanners usually have a very narrow DOF, which is why scans of coins often end up terrible. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:28, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
      • Right, of course. Everyone knows that. Curly Turkey (gobble) 02:59, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
        • I'd hope so... (I probably should invest in a scanner... DYK images like this are still photographs?) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:02, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Barnstar!

Well, thank you!—and congrats on the new FA! Curly Turkey (gobble) 20:45, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Studying

Really? Me too. I should be revising my thesis, but I am much more tempted by Misplaced Pages. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:28, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

I was cleaning up my desk and came across a bunch of photocopies I made from a library book. I managed to retain just enough self-control not to go ahead with the other four books. Curly Turkey (gobble) 10:07, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

• Oh, I know how you feel. I'm dying to write an article on Roesia nu Goreng Patut (the basis for Karnadi Anemer Bangkong), but thesis comes first. Finish the revisions, get my MA, and then waste hours writing about a novel in a language spoken by few who would read the article. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:36, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
  • @Crisco 1492: So I guess you've got hours to waste now? Curly Turkey (gobble) 06:04, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
    • Yep, basically. Though I'm still waiting for my friend to finish translating Roesia nu Goreng Patut (I can't read Sundanese; I have an Indonesian-language summary, but the recent printing has a foreword by Ajip Rosidi which I want to use). I also got a photocopied copy of the novel Melati van Agam (1924) in the mail from Malaysia, so that's another article that needs writing. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:07, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

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When to feature Maus

Thank you again for improving the article. When do you think is a good time to have it featured on the main page? I was thinking that it should be on a day that is a memorial for the Holocaust, however I've found out that there are several days to memorialize it. See: Holocaust Memorial Days. --Harizotoh9 (talk) 00:24, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

• I'm not really too worried about when (or if) it hits the main page. If there's a day you'd like to see it featured, go ahead and nominate it. For the record, I'm more concerned with the book's significance as comics than its significance to the Holocaust per se, so it makes no difference to me whether it runs on a Holocaust-related day, a completely random day, Spiegelman's birthday, or not at all. Curly Turkey (gobble) 00:34, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Southern Cross (wordless novel)/GA1

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• Thanks! I was wondering how you stumbled across such an obscure article to make copyedits. Curly Turkey (gobble) 23:21, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

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Congratulations on the GA! I have nominated it for Did you know, which will hopefully result in the article appearing on the main page. The link is Template:Did you know nominations/Southern Cross (wordless novel). Thanks, Matty.007 14:14, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Well, thanks! I didn't even think about DYK. Curly Turkey (gobble) 21:09, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Quirky articles make the best hooks... Thanks, Matty.007 11:25, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

• Thanks a lot! Curly Turkey (gobble) 12:16, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Southern Cross (wordless novel)

• ! Drmies (talk) 04:36, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Nope, not even punctuation. Curly Turkey (gobble) 14:33, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Main Page appearance: Goodman Beaver

This is a note to let the main editors of Goodman Beaver know that the article will be appearing as today's featured article on April 9, 2014. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. If you prefer that the article appear as TFA on a different date, or not at present, please ask Bencherlite (talk · contribs). You can view the TFA blurb at Misplaced Pages:Today's featured article/April 9, 2014. If it needs tweaking, or if it needs rewording to match improvements to the article between now and its main page appearance, please edit it, following the instructions at Misplaced Pages:Today's featured article/requests/instructions. The blurb as it stands now is below:

Goodman Beaver is a comics character created by American cartoonist Harvey Kurtzman. Goodman was a naïve and optimistic Candide-like character, oblivious to the corruption and degeneration around him. The stories were vehicles for biting social satire and pop culture parody. Except for the character's first appearance, which Kurtzman did alone, the stories were written by Kurtzman and drawn by Will Elder. Goodman first appeared in a story in Harvey Kurtzman's Jungle Book in 1959, but the best-remembered strips were the five stories produced by the Kurtzman–Elder team in 1961–62 for the Kurtzman-edited magazine Help! They tended to be in the parodic style Kurtzman had developed when he wrote and edited Mad in the 1950s, but with more pointed, adult-oriented satire and much more refined and detailed artwork on Elder's part, crammed with countless visual gags. The best-known of the Goodman Beaver stories was "Goodman Goes Playboy" (1962). A satire on the hedonistic lifestyle of Hugh Hefner using parodies of Archie comics characters, the story led to a lawsuit from Archie's publisher, although Hefner, the actual target of the strip, found it amusing. (Full article...)

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Thopha saccata redux

this didn't make it through first time round....think we fixed everything we could or explianed why at the Peer Review, so at FAC again - Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/Thopha saccata/archive2 - if you could take a look and compare to first time round that'd be great. Cheers, Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:22, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Southern Cross (wordless novel): amongst/among

Dear Curly Turkey: Your recent edit of Southern Cross (wordless novel) is explained

please don't remove double spaces between sentences; "amongst" is common in Canadian English

Language for writing encyclopedias is based on not just what is in ordinary use, but also on what style guides recommend. It is evident that the style guides of the four English-language largest circulating newspapers in Canada deprecate the use of "amongst". Here are the results of searches I performed just now:

• Toronto Star: among 58940; amongst 1941; ratio=30
• The Globe and Mail: among 127086; amongst 2220; ratio=57
• The Gazette (Montreal): among 2345; amongst 22; ratio=107
• The Vancouver Sun: among 6654; amongst 103; ratio=65

Most likely some of the search hits are within direct quotations, where the speaker's exact words would override the newspaper's style guide. Based on these results, I conclude that the four top Canadian newspapers call for writers to use among not amongst. In editing Misplaced Pages articles, I routinely make changes based on the standards of major style guides, sometimes inferred from overwhelming usage ratios in respected publications. This is what editors do. Sincerely, Anomalocaris (talk) 09:25, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Until the 1990s some of the same newspapers you cite spelled "colour" without a "u", so I wouldn't take them as reflecting Canadian spelling conventions. I grew up in Southern Ontario saying "amongst" and still do—I have yet to see anyone bat an eyelash over it. You're "fixing" something that was never broken, and your condescending lecturing tone makes your argument no more convincing. Curly Turkey (gobble) 10:22, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Dear Curly Turkey: I wrote my previous message as a reply to your editing statement "'amongst' is common in Canadian English." There is nothing wrong with the word amongst. It's a perfectly good word. That doesn't mean it is the best choice for encyclopedic work. In Scotland nobody would bat an eyelash over bonnie wee lassie, but that doesn't mean that Misplaced Pages should use that phrase out of quotation to describe a pretty girl, and in fact every use of that phrase in Misplaced Pages is a quotation of a speaker, poem, or lyric. If you feel condescended or lectured to, that was not my intent. How else am I suppose to explain my perspective and my editing procedures? By the way, I just checked the next four largest English-language newspapers in Canada, and the pattern continues:

• Toronto Sun: among 46400; amongst 1190; ratio=39
• The Province (Vancouver): among 1799; amongst 31; ratio=58
• National Post: among over 500; amongst over 500; "among Canadians" 185; "amongst Canadians" 4; ratio=46
• Calgary Herald: among 3272; amongst 83; ratio=39

Moreover, Hansard Association of Canada's Style Guide (pdf) says on page 43:

among (no -st)

and, since you mentioned it, on page 47:

colour, but coloration

I conclude that the top eight Canadian English newspapers as well as Hansard all call for writers to use among not amongst. Again, amongst is a perfectly good word, but it is a word deprecated for professional writing by those who set the standard for professional writing in Canada. In the interest of civility and to avoid pointless reversions, since your reversion I have not edited and I do not plan to edit Southern Cross (wordless novel). Sincerely, Anomalocaris (talk) 07:09, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

If I "feel condescended or lectured to", it's because you invaded my talk page with your condescending "This is what editors do" lecture. For the record, every one of the papers you cite have used "amongst" within recent days—including up to yesterday—and the CBC apparently has no problem with it at all, even in article titles dated April 2014. So much for "deprecated". And if you think "colour" vs "coloration" has anything to do with what I was saying about 20th-century Canadian newspapers preferring "color", maybe you should do some research instead of harassing productive editors. Curly Turkey (gobble) 09:17, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

User:Curly Turkey for Goodman Beaver

Thanks a lot! Curly Turkey (gobble) 21:29, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

precious again! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:54, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

April 2014 GA Thanks

Look at the categories in his article.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:58, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

The article says he lived in Chicago for a couple of years.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 22:02, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Congratulations

Well, looks like I missed the boat by a couple days, but I just wanted to stop by to congratulate you on reaching the front page (again). :D That's always a nice accomplishment, no matter how many times you've done it. I don't think we've crossed paths since Mulberry Street failed to make FA. Me, I'm not worried about that one bit. I think the article's in really nice shape now, and I'm proud of the work we accomplished on it. Thank you again for working on it with me.

FYI: I've given up writing about Dr. Seuss, at least for now. I mean, I knew those library books would have to go back sooner or later. But I'm working on articles about E.B White's children's books now. He only wrote three of those -- which is a hell of a lot more manageable than the 40 or so Seuss wrote. :D

Anyhoo, have a good one! Bobnorwal (talk) 04:00, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Bob: Well, thanks for the kind words. The only White book I've read is Charlotte's Web, although I've got Stuart Little on the shelf with plans to read it to the offspring one of these days. Even if you're giving the Seuss books a break, I really think Mulberry Street is in good shape for an FA, if you wanted to renominate. If there are still sources outstanding, we could always ask for them at Resource Exchange—I could do it myself if you're not up to it. Curly Turkey (gobble) 04:46, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Joehana

Thanks for the GA review. Quick question: is Moriyama's book giving you a 404 error as well? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:28, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

It is indeed. I don't think it's blocked---when they're blocked you just get redirected to the info page. Maybe it was deleted, but wasn't removed from the search index or something? If they're blocked where you are, you can use a VPN to get around the block pretty easily. I've used JustFreeVPN a few times before. Curly Turkey (gobble) 09:47, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

• Blast, and they don't have a hard copy in my university's library (mind you, almost nobody studies Sundanese literature at my university, so I didn't expect them to have it). Alright... guess I'll have to give this some time before PR-ing for FAC. Maybe I'll trawl Jstor. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:56, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

• And that was ridiculously fast. Nothing for Joehana, and Yuhana gives nothing but Bible studies and... for some reason... something about traditional Japanese lit. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:59, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
  • "Yuhana" does sound like a typical Japanese word, though not one I'm familiar with. Curly Turkey (gobble) 10:50, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
    • No luck at Project MUSE or Questia either. Curly Turkey (gobble) 11:05, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

• Google gives this line from a poem by Kakinomoto no Hitomaro, "yuhana no sakayuru toki ni" (translated as "but just at the time of the flourishing blossoms" in this book)... perhaps that's what's being quoted. Oh well. (While we're at it, the ukiyo-e of the poet looks quite nice... shame it's from a thousand years after his death) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:09, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

I'll probably wait a week or two to see if Moriyama's book becomes available again, then go to PR. It would be nice to have such a niche topic at FAC. Mind you, I don't think I do anything other than niche topics. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:09, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

• And, of course, a Japanese source which may or may not be useful. Which is on our blacklist, so I can't give it to you here. Blah and blah. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:23, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

• Dropbox. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:26, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
  • Is this the same Moriyama? I've only skimmed it because I'm on my phone, but I only see Joehana mentioned in the bibliography, and then there's something about wawacan's influence (?) on 1920s Sundanese novels. I'll give it a closer look tomorrow. Curly Turkey (gobble) 11:40, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

• Looks like it. I'd be very surprised if there were two people with the same surname with a fixation on the same geotemporal location. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:50, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

• Sorry, by "the same Moriyama" I meant "the same Moriyama article". Curly Turkey (gobble) 12:37, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
  • I skimmed through it again and I don't see Joehanna actually mentioned in the body. All I see is something about how the novel took over from the wawacan by about 1930 or so, and how these novels reflected new values and realities within traditional Sundanese culture or something. The one Joehana book is listed as a reference, but it's notclear to me how it's being referenced. Curly Turkey (gobble) 12:45, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
    • Page 115 has one novel by Joehana mentioned. Mind you, it's probably best to just find the blasted Moriyama book. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:57, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
      • Right. In 1930 that book had an advertisement on the cover (?) That listed 57 books in Sundanese published by Dachlan-Bekti. Most of the books have never been found in libraries, and their authors and years of publication are unknown. Curly Turkey (gobble) 13:16, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
        • So, in other words, useless for this article (but very telling for contemporary Sundanese literature, if I ever write an article). Sadly that's not too uncommon... I found an advertisement for a novel by Saeroen called Di Balik Pagar (or something similar) in Delpher's archive, but nothing on the web elsewhere. Also what appears to have been the fate of the novelization of Gagak Item (and the film itself). Three years of occupation, then another four of Revolution, then another 20+ of neglect, will do that to books and films (20 years of neglect: Indonesians have, historically, been terrible with keeping good documents... when Misbach wanted to establish Sinematek Indonesia, for instance, his friends called him crazy... it's better now, but what was lost can only rarely be "unlost").
          • Anywho, thanks for the help. I've asked my friend if she can hunt down a copy of the 1989 printing of Mugiri, and the foreword might offer some more information that can be used. Now to go back to polishing D. Djajakusuma for PR and FAC. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:23, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Madman's Drum

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Books & Bytes - Issue 5

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Your GA nomination of Passionate Journey

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If you email me, I'll send it across, but it's only actually the first page that mentions Passionate Journey; here's the same article, and here's the original article, showing the first page (which is the one with the mention). J Milburn (talk) 09:50, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

@J Milburn: Thanks a lot. I've added it now. Curly Turkey (gobble) 13:03, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Well done on the GA. Nominated for DYK here. I find these wordless novels really interesting, so thanks for bringing them to more attention. Best, Matty.007

I couldn't resist nominating Madman's Drum as well, here. Thanks, Matty.007 18:53, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Well, thanks a lot! The last thing I ever expected was to see a rapidfire series on wordless novels on the mainpage! Curly Turkey (gobble) 20:23, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

Megadeth FA procedure

Hey dude, just a to remind you that I've got some questions about your suggestions regarding Megadeth's FA nomination. All the best.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 22:17, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Madman's Drum

DYK for Passionate Journey

You've got mail!

Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 18:02, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Wil Wheaton photo discussion

Hi. Can you offer your opinion in the consensus subthread of this discussion? Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 18:08, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Mega lists

Regarding the flatlist question for Megadeth: any list is highly preferable (because of accessibility, higher value than aesthetics) to comma separator, even if the template documentation doesn't say so. If flatlist doesn't work well, perhaps try {{hlist}}? (Example: BWV 172, for "instrumental") - Plainlist takes too much room for many short entries. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:24, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

• That's what I think, but I'm not one of the main editors of the article, so ultimately it's not my decision. How does hlist differ from flatlist? The output looks the same to me. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 12:49, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

"Spam"?

Something to hide? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 02:05, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

How are you with Japanese cinema?

• I've got a question for you, a ... departure ... from the normal stuff I work on, and the normal stuff we talk about. How would you feel about collaborating on Okuribito? I just finished watching it, and I'm not afraid to say that I cried more than for any film since the first 10 minutes of Up. It should be at least a GA, especially considering the international attention it's received (and the quality of the movie, IMHO), but I don't read Japanese, nor do I have access to Japanese sources. I'd handle English sources and help with French (my passive French is still somewhat up to par), and you could focus on Japanese sources. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:15, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
  • If you're not in a rush, I'll see what I can do. A Google book search seems to turn up stuff about the book rather than the movie. I'm not really a film buff, though, so it might take me a while to figure out just where the appropriate sources would be—so far I've found some short news articles and a whole lotta blogs. Never heard of the movie (don't be surprised—it's been quite some time since I've seen a "grown-up" film!) but I'm hoping the fact that Shizuoka is sister cities with Cannes means there'll be decent paper sources on film in general in town somewhere. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 21:06, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
    • Oh, I've tracked down some of Ghibli's work here (surprisingly difficult), and so far my wife and I have watched Totoro, Pom Poko, Mononoke hime, and Hotaru no haka; I think the last was my favourite, although all of them were quite enjoyable. Anywho, later (assuming I have time) I'll polish the plot section and try to hunt down some online sources. Paywall sources might require me to pull in a few favours, but doing so shouldn't be that difficult. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:09, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
      • Ghibli's not popular in Indonesia? I thought they'd penetrated everywhere since Disney got the distribution rights. The only movie that seems to matter at home these days is Frozen ... Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 00:37, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
        • Not as mainstream, I guess. Indonesians seem to prefer more recent stuff. And Doraemon. Doraemon remains popular, both in animated and comic form. As for Frozen... yeah, the kids still seem to only talk about it. They didn't react this strongly to Tangled! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:50, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
          • Doraemon! I'd be surprised if that ever made it into English, even given the J-Pop boom. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 01:08, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
          • Spoke too soon! Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 01:09, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
          • "Fudgy pudgy pie"!?! Kill me now. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 01:11, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
            • I believe the common internet term is Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu*****. Why, though? Why change the character names? Indonesia doesn't (they add a T to Gian, but that's it), and it doesn't look like India does (I somehow ended up with a Hindi copy of the Doraemon and Pirates vs time-travelling gene splicers film). Why English? And... fudgy pudgy pie? Really?
            • Anyways, my wife was saying that Doraemon got to be so popular that there were Doraemon noodles, and most bakeries began stocking dorayaki. We can still get dorayaki, but it's become more difficult. — Crisco 1492 (talk)
              • I'm Sure they did some market research into it, but I still can't wrap my head around how they could change something easy like "Nobita" to (still foreign-sounding) "Noby", but they left "Doraemon" as is. I wonder how a typical monolingual Anglophone even pronounces that... And imagine the surprise some American kid will get if they get their hands on a Fudgy Pudgie Pie™...and then find their mouth full of beans! Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 02:43, 22 May 2014 (UTC)
                • C'est la vie, I guess. So long as they don't try and capitalise on Naruto and change Shizuka to Sakura or something. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:58, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

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I'm not entirely happy with my description of A Contract with God - if you can improve it, please do. Adam Cuerden 17:37, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

• Maybe this is better? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 07:01, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Tintin in Tibet

Hello, well-regarded Curly Turkey! Tintin in Tibet is now GA, after weeks of rollicking fun reviewing it. I would be honoured to receive your review, in the form of comments or edits. Cheers. Prhartcom (talk) 22:12, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

• @Prhartcom: I'm happy to look at at, but I'm actually a bit busy for the next week or so, so it may take me until early June to take a look at it. If I haven't stopped in by then, gimme a tap on the shoulder. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 22:27, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

• (talk page stalker) If RL is keeping you busy, don't worry about forcing "Departures" on yourself just yet. I'll do what I can with the English sources. I've ordered the Region 1 DVD as well, which should let me use the interview. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:13, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
  • I do have a tendency to put off the schoolwork I have to do for WP stuff. It'll all depend on my willpower, but I really do have a number important things to get out of the way by the end of May. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 07:20, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
    • In that case, I think my answer should be obvious... RL first. I'll polish up what I can. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:26, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
      • Oh, I know that real life comes first, as does every crack addict ... I can promise you, if it weren't Departures it'd be something else ... Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 07:41, 24 May 2014 (UTC) (In other words, I'm not sitting here thinking, "Oh! Those Departures reviews for Crisco!"—I'm thinking, "Hey, I wonder what's happened at Misplaced Pages in the last ten minutes ..." Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 07:44, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
      • (talk page stalker) I can relate; if it's any consolation: I am presently also in an education mode in RL with a comically close May 31 culmination date. Good luck. Prhartcom (talk) 12:52, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
        • • Best of luck to the both of you. I should probably be preparing for my doctoral thesis (a history of film adaptation in Indonesia isn't gonna write itself, you know) but the temptation... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:54, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
        • Like, say, Ukiyo-e? (Speaking of which, I'm thinking the actor print we discussed might be worth an article... even if it's only known for being expensive). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:54, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
          • I'm not so sure. It's easy enough to find background info on the prints (what actor in what scene of what play), but I think a list article would be more appropriate, for Sharaku's œuvre (it's small enough and well-catalogued). Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 08:38, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

• • • • • • • Yeah. I think it's doable (I've got the sources) but I'm not sure I'd prioritize it. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 09:04, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

A Contract with God

Dude! Congrats! "This article has been rated as FA-Class on the project's quality scale." You're the main contributor. Take a virtual bow!   : )   With regards to a good colleague, Tenebrae (talk) 23:04, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

• << bows ever so virtually >> Merci bien for the kind words and the helpful input! One of these days I'll get around to fixing up the Eisner article, too. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 07:04, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Prelude to a Million Years

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Facepalm

Eric Corbett—the kind of guy who threatens to oppose an FAC over another reviewer's "attitude". Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 00:42, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Smiling. Prhartcom (talk) 00:49, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

• Holy horseshit! Does he think I'm the nominator or something? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 01:58, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

• Note to self: avoid language like this, as it is considered "abuse"; best to fall back on this kind of thing instead. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 02:48, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Prelude to a Million Years

The article Prelude to a Million Years you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Prelude to a Million Years for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Seattle -- Seattle (talk) 14:01, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Winnipeg

Hey Curly Turkey, thanks for your comments and support! Would you mind if I moved your extended commentary to the FAC's talk page? Nikkimaria (talk) 02:26, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Fire away! Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 02:28, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Merdeka 17805

I've made a stub. There's probably a bit I can work on with Indonesian and English sources, but not too much. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:44, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Do you know if it's been released in Indonesia? I read that it was criticized, but it wasn't clear if it was an Indonesian release that was criticized or if it was just the general idea of the film that caught flak. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 13:40, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

• Indonesian Misplaced Pages claims it had an Indonesian distributor, and that they worked with Rapi Films, so there may have been. This was, of course, five years before I arrived in the country. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:03, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Can you access this? It should be on page 418. Need a good source for the cast and crew. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:49, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Maybe not needed; I found a Kinema Junpo page with most of the data that would have been in there. Mind, if you want a DYK credit, you can add some more to the article and then add yourself to the nomination. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:39, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Whoa! You fleshed that out right quick! I'm not blocked from the book, but it says I've met my reading limit(?). This appears to be a RS, and has a list of credits. Do you want me to just throw it in as a list? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 20:15, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

In the infobox you've got hte release date as 12 May 2001 (Indonesia), even though you've got that date for Japan in the body. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 20:28, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

• Oh, the Kinema Junpo page has much more cast and crew information. I just limited it. Good catch with the infobox. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:08, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

I never knew I was American

Why didn't my Mum ever tell me? Even people in England know it! Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 22:21, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Yeah. Whatever the rights and wrongs, please don't personalise things. --John (talk) 22:23, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

John Excuse me? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 22:35, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Please, if you don't mind, raise questions like this without focusing on the individual you are having a dispute with. It isn't helpful, in my opinion. --John (talk) 22:39, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

John: So I'm not allowed to name the other party? I'm not being facetious here—I don't see anything in what you've linked to that I can interperet as "personalizing". All it says is "Can someone please do something about Eric Corbett editwarring over ENGVAR issues at Megadeth?" Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 22:43, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

I'm not talking as an admin here, I'm just saying. The personalization is in calling him out by name. It might have been better to say "What do folks think about this issue?" Just saying. Least said, soonest mended, as we say. --John (talk) 22:45, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

John: Durned if you do, durned if you don't, as "us Americans" say. I named Eric and linked to his name (so he'd be pinged) so he couldn't accuse me of doing things behind his back (meanwhile it looks like Eric is talking about me behind my back. It seems fourteen FAs is "nowhere", which apparently "tells its own story".) Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 22:57, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

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Removed it from the article as gratuitous; let it be deleted. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 20:42, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

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Same as above. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 21:03, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

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Same story. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 22:06, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

FA congratulations (again...)

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A barnstar for you!

• Well, thanks a lot, Vic! The article still needs work, but it's well on its way. We'll get it there. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 12:27, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

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Could you have a quick look at Pride and verify I didn't screw up any translations too badly? Shouldn't be any issues, but it's best to check. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:13, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

• I'm on my phone right now, so I can't be too thorough, but one thing jumped out: Nihon o dame ni shita shuppatsu-ten can't possibly be right. Most likely it's "日本をダメにした出発点", but there are different ways of writing it (with the same meaning). If you don't have the quote in the original, you shouldn't simply transliterate. Just leave it in Roman characters. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 14:08, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Okay, thanks. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:13, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Official Japanese Websites

Can't say I disagree with you. This is supposed to be the official website of the Yokohama Film Festival? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:28, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

• And, just to confirm: these two flyers support this (bottom of the screen)? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:30, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
  • The two PDFs were the front and back of the same flyer, but yes they did support it. The ugly website below is probably better anyways. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 06:11, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
• Scratch that, this lovely pink and green thing does. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:34, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Don't you miss 1997? I remember lovingly installing Netscape Navigator 3 that Christmas ... but seriously, Japanese websites make me want to rip out what little is left of my hair. I wanted to copy & paste my company's mailing address into a document from their brand-spanking-new-for-2011 website, only to find out the address was a GIF. Unstylized, just a fucking text address as a GIF, so I could highlight it. And because it's a GIF, it doesn't scale, and thus looks blurry on my wonking huge 12" display. A sign of why the economy of the country has been tanking for the last two decades? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 06:06, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
    • 1997... hmmm... no, I don't miss it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:28, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
      • Plofile — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:33, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
        • The Élan d'Or Award from the ja  for film and TV. Okuribito won its Film Department award. TV Taro was a TV Guide-alike that apperently stopped publishing this year. Did the magazine sponsor the Film Department award? I'd just skip the TV Taro bit and say Okuribito won the Élan d'Or Award for Best Film in 2009. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 06:52, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
          • It's called the "作品賞TV　Taro賞" (source). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:00, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
            • Well, it's the TV Taro Award for Best Film. "作品賞" just means "award for a work" rather than an actor or producer—it's not part of the award name, it's just a subsection title. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 07:09, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
            • Meaning, it's the Élan d'Or TV Taro Award for Best Film. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 07:11, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
              • Thanks. I've solved our Rooster problem, btw. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:33, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Katsudô shashin

Congrats! You're one of very few people writing in a European language to correctly describe this filmstrip as "printed". If you're still interested then, in about a week or two I intend to "publish" a research note on "Japanese color animation before 1940" on my website, which will also cover "Katsudô shashin" on the basis of Mr Matsumoto's publications and further information by him. One correction: With 50 frames at 16 frames/second, the film's length is nearer to 3 seconds than to 4. F. S. Litten at http://litten.de/engl.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:63:B3C:9225:E052:308E:ABDC:3B50 (talk) 20:08, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

• I did notice a number of English-language sources that claimed the frames were hand-drawn. I have to wonder where they got that—I can't imagine a translation bad enough that would imply that. Of course, that leaves the mystery of why stencils were used in the first place—seems like a pointless extra step. Are the Matsumoto publications you have print sources? Could you tell me what they are? I may be able to track them down at the library. I've had no luck finding stuff online (although there's a lot of stuff by or concerning Matsumoto). I think the "four seconds" was likely based on the length of the video. I've fixed it. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 22:47, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Take a look at 松本夏樹; 津堅信之: 国産最古と考えられるアニメーションフィルムの発見について. In: 映像学, no. 76, 2006, pp. 86-105. And: 松本夏樹: 映画渡来前後の家庭用映像機器 幻燈・アニメーション・玩具映画. In: 岩本憲児 (ed.): 日本映画の誕生. Tokyo: Shinwasha, 2011, pp. 95-128. However, by now there is more information which has not been published yet. Some of it will be found in my research note, as well as the likely German background to "Katsudô shashin". As to the use of stencils, you will understand when you read my note (or Matsumoto). And, by the way, there were 11 loop films in all found at the time. F. S. Litten — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:63:B3C:9225:25D9:AFA4:CD1F:3C15 (talk) 05:48, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
    • Ah, I misread "１０本とともに". They've got two copies of 「日本映画の誕生」 in the city library system, so I'll grab one. Thanks for that, and I'm looking forward to your note—is it for something that will be published? I'm not sure I'll be able to use the note as a source otherwise, which would be a real shame. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 06:12, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
    • (talk page stalker) - No, I don't think that we could, although it would still be interesting reading. Curly, looks like we should hold on for GAC just yet. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:48, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
      • I've already put it up for GAN. I'm grabbing the book tonight. It's unlikely anyone will review the article before I update it. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 08:37, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
      • The note will not be published elsewhere, at least not on my initiative. However, two earlier notes (nipper.pdf, ani1917.pdf) like it have already been used on Misplaced Pages pages (Anime before 1917, Imokawa Mukuzô Genkanban no Maki, etc.), even before one of them was translated and published in Japanese as an "invited research note" in "The Japanese Journal of Animation Studies". (Both notes were also covered in articles in the Mainichi Shinbun, shortly after being up on my website.) You will see that I give sources for (I hope) all claims, and some very nice illustrations. But I've seen enough of Misplaced Pages (especially the English one) not to get involved in the question of which sources you can use there, or not. I, for one, will even refer to an article in the Japanese Misplaced Pages in my note. I'll enter the link here, when it's up. F. S. Litten — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:63:B3C:9225:449E:39CC:B8C6:CD36 (talk) 08:21, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
        • Thank you very much. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:34, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
        • Well, if nothing else, I may be able to track down the sources you cite and use them as sources. Either way, I'm looking forward to reading it. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 08:37, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

• I've expanded the article a bit with info from 「日本映画の誕生」. I'll get around to adding a (one-paragraph?) prehistory about magic lanterns and toy films when I've digested it first (I don't know anything about this stuff, so I want to make sure I understand it first). It could probably use a (one-paragraph?) post-history as well to put it better in context. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 00:17, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
  • That's a good approach, especially when we've got so little information on the film itself. When I wrote articles like Njai Dasima, that's the approach I took. (BTW, I'l do the GA review if you want). Crisco36.73.92.81 (talk) 02:00, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
    • Well, just hold off until I get the Plot section to two paragraphs, like Njai Dasima. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 02:15, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
      • For a 3 second film? Good luck! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:44, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
        • I have to deal with the narrative's multilayered symbolism. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 06:00, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
          • And, naturally, the importance of each color in Japan's cultural paradigm. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:15, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
            • Each frame has its own context that requires analysis—thus I'm developing fifty subsections. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 06:22, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
              • Excellent. Finally the Manhattan Project will have an article ready to dethrone it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:32, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
                • Very perspicacious. You'll see from Mr Litten's paper that the Manhattan Project was but a footnote in the develoment of Katsudō Shashin. Finally you'll see why the film was "lost" for a century, and the significance of its rediscovery for the denizens of the 21st century. Obvious, of course, when you realize the esteemed academician is studying Japan from Germany. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 06:43, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
                  • I see a future, based on Katsudō Shashin, in which all men and women worldwide wear sailor outfits and carry boxes of chalk. There is no war, for all are busy writing their hopes and dreams on chalkboards. Kanji has become the standard writing system throughout the world. And all is well. (On a more serious note, Dr. Litten appears to have done some excellent work on China as well. Google Scholar shows several articles which have been cited more than once; one has been cited twenty times so far) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:51, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
                    • His list of publications sure looked impressive when I went through them. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 07:09, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
                      • Agree. If he publishes his research note on his website, I think we'd be able to reference it per WP:SPS (as a recognized expert in the field). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:15, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
                      • Those Mainichi Shinbun articles and The Japanese Journal of Animation Studies publication would be perfect to affirm this, if we could find copies. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:18, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
                      • The main page. They have archives, but TOC only. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:19, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
                        • Well, it'll sure be helpful if we can use it. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 08:41, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
                          • Well, we should prepare the argument now, like I did with Streatham portrait. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:46, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
                            • I don't think it'll be hard to prove his credentials. The challenge, I think, will be presenting a "note" as a source. Will it be considered "published" at all? Unpublished works even by field experts, I thought, were not accepted. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 08:58, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
                              • Open access on his personal website feels like "published" to me, as I doubt he'd go that far with something he didn't consider ready. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:06, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
• To get back to the Katsudô shashin article: Imokawa Mukuzo Genkanban no Maki wasn't the first anime, it came out only in April 1917, as a certain steamed academic (the heat!) noted in a note last July, see the Misplaced Pages entry (which was not written by me!). And Namakuragatana alias Hanawa Hekonai etc. came out in 1917. Two typos: specualted and Matusmoto. The Mainichi articles don't seem to be online any longer, but if you go to Mr Matsumoto's website (wunderkabinet.org), push the button, and look under "media" you'll find them at the top. (I don't think, however, that the new note will also feature in a Japanese paper; there's nothing really "sensational" in it.) The Japanese Journal of Animation Studies is planning to put its content online, but they are not there yet. If you send me an e-mail, I'll send you a pdf: it is just a translation of a slightly earlier version than the one now on my website. F. S. Litten — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:63:B3C:92E5:98A1:A1EC:CAC5:CA80 (talk) 11:25, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Thanks again—I've corrected the typos and sent you off a mail (it should be labelled as coming from "Flakey Foont"—a Robert Crumb character—though I don't recall registering that name). As for the dates, I'll wait until I've got the sources to fix them, as that information contradicts what the current sources in the article say. A question: you transliterate なまくら刀 as "Namakuragatana" (as one would expect), but the Japanese article makes a point of pronouncing it（-かたな）. Do you know anything about this? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 12:39, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
    • Ok, it's online at http://litten.de/fulltext/color.pdf. And you should recognize one non-Japanese picture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:63:B3C:92D9:956F:31FD:8B00:67B9 (talk) 06:59, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
      • Thank you for the link and the interesting read (we could have a paper film article...). Now I've become curious as to whether there has ever been any interest in animated films in Indonesia (the country my research is focused on). Comics, particularly Si Buta dari Gua Hantu (Ganes TH; 1960s), did gain some popularity (although now the market is dominated by Japanese manga), but the only full-length animated Indonesian film I'm aware of is Meraih Mimpi (2008). Shame the subject hasn't been researched very much, AFAIk. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:17, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
        • Scratch that, Meraih Mimpi was "coproduced" with (read: work mostly done in) Singapore. Homeland in 2003 was animated, apparently. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:21, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
      • Ha! I do believe I uploaded that Little Nemo frame (in fact, I think I did the frameshot, from the Masterworks DVD). Do I get a credit? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 07:32, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
      • Misplaced Pages get's all the credit. Re Indonesia and animation: I don't know. Animation history is such a vast field, and many parts are badly covered.
        • Sigh... wish it weren't so... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:38, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
          • Don't worry, Crisco. Someday our handles will be on the lips of the public everywhere! Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 05:03, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
• I've been a bold little Turkey and added the note to the sources. I'm still trying to get my head around the magic lantern stuff in such a way as to sum it up in a sentence or two—then I think I'm more or less done except for tweaking. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 05:05, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

George Herriman

Being declared an FA does not mean articles cannot be edited or improved. Lumping all the sections, including those dealing with his Early life, his career, and his personal life, under the vague title "Personal history" is lousy organization. That heading is not needed, as it serves no explanatory purpose. Nightscream (talk) 13:18, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Katsudō Shashin

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Question/favour

Hi CT, need some help. I'd like to use this image but never uploaded because I can't read the description, source, etc. Can you tell what is said about it? Thanks. Victoria (tk) 20:18, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

I've uploaded it. It's a Momoyama-period piece by ja  (if you can read French, fr.wp has a page on him). There's another, larger file of it here—not quite as bright, though. This page suggests the image is only a portion, but none of the other pages say so. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 20:52, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Oh, absolutely fantastic! Thanks so much. It will make a few people happy to see the current lead pic swapped out. Victoria (tk) 21:08, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Have you seen this one by Tosa Mitsuoki? The Japanese article uses a bad crop of it for their lead image. I'm just thinking that opening with an image that's all negative space at the top is perhaps less than ideal—especially on smaller screens. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 21:33, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm using that in the article and it faces the wrong way for the lead. Huge discussion on the talk page and in archives, a few years old. I agree about the negative space, but there was some concern that the lead image being used was wrong. Well that's an oversimplication. Anyway, I came across this while digging for something entirely different in a sandbox, and decided to give it try. It can be swapped out again, but my feeling is that if it makes people happy to see a 10th century Heian depiction, then I suppose it's okay. Victoria (tk) 21:40, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Yikes! I'm not going to wade through that—other than to say I don't like the Harunobu. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 21:46, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Yikes is right! And would have been avoided if the Takanobu had been uploaded at the beginning. I couldn't because of the language barrier, so again, thanks. It's growing on me, the dark space, the hint of moon, very Murasaki. Victoria (tk) 23:16, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

As an image unto itself, yeah, it's nice, I was just worried about its positioning. If I think of it, next time I'm in the library I'll see if I can find some scanworthy images. Surely there are mountains worth out there ... Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 23:23, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

There are. I think that's part of the problem. The challenge was to get the "earliest" but the really early ones have that falling roof style (or looking through the roof style) and individual figures are hard to make out. Thanks, though. Appreciate the offer.Victoria (tk) 23:53, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

• What about cropping some of those "falling roof" images to focus on the individual? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:13, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
  • It looks like they tried that, but they looked like crap. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 04:17, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

• Once I get home I can give it a go, if you'll just point me to a print worth cropping. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:20, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
  • I've found the perfect image. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 04:42, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
    • Yeah, it's great, but I don't think Daigo Kobayashi wrote Genji. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:31, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
      • Arrgh ... totally blows the punchline when you fudge the link. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 12:38, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

• Yeah, sure. I'll work that in. Let me just check precedent. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:53, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Departures DVD

Well, Tsutaya's website (here) gives a March 2009 date for them renting the DVD (which I doubt would be that far from the actual release date). No BlueRay? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:12, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

• There's definitely a BluRay, but I wouldn't trust Amazon's release dates. It says 2011, which is credible, but I find Amazon's dates are far too often way wrong. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 04:12, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
  • Always? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:16, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
  • This search gives the DVD, streaming, rental of the DVD (Amazon does rentals?), and the script. :-s — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:19, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
    • The fuck? I could've sworn ... now I can find absolutely nothing. I remember coming across a blog or something that said something about a DVD/BluRay package, but now I see nothing at all. That surely can't be possible! How can this of all movies be lacking a BluRay? Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 04:25, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
      • As of 2011 there was still no announcement for a Japanese BluRay, and the overseas one was Region B and couldn't be played on Japanese players. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 04:29, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
        • Curses, foiled again! I think push comes to shove we can just cite WorldCat. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:30, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
          • No, I think I totally got it wrong—I don't think there actually is a Japanese BluRay of it, astounding as that sounds. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 12:33, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Unicode

Your recent edits at Little Sammy Sneeze were very helpful, but please watch for Unicode characters because they were broken by the edits. Whatever is used to edit wikitext needs to be told that the text is UTF-8. I believe I fixed the problems, but you may want to check any other articles you have edited with the same procedure. Johnuniq (talk) 03:42, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

• I have no idea what happened there—some of those endashes I hadn't actually touched, so I don't know why they would have saved like that. Please don't remove the double spaces between sentences, by the way. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 04:16, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
  • I still don't know what caused it, but it appears to be working fine now. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 05:03, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Barnstar

Well, thank you right back! Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 10:16, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

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