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To be decided

• Colours to be used for general maps
• Naming conventions for file names

=Nichalp «Talk»= 09:35, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Requests

I know right now we should be completely focussed on fixing standards, but still I wanted to ask whether we should have a section for map requests on the project page? We have tons of requested maps at WP:HOI. deeptrivia (talk) 13:14, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Once we've finalised the base map, we should open a sub-page for map requests. Otherwise it will be the case of putting the cart before the horse. =Nichalp «Talk»= 20:06, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Map status

This is how it looks like at the momoent, districts to be added to only a few more states.
Unfortunately i wont be able to work on this for another month due to my univ exams followed by a trip to Mumbai ( I will come online tho) . I still have to add the tropic of cancer Nichalp asked me to do. I can add the missing districs when i come back (source).
At the moment the file contains states on different layers and districts on different layers, so a wide variety of options are available to diplay. Just turn off whichever is not needed. Right now the districts are at 70%opacity so you can see the state borders underneath -- 18:48, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Districts addded to all states. Phew, my eyes can finally take a rest (till july 6). Highlighted TN as an example -- 17:57, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

I can't see anything on the thumbnail version (it's blank.) Only when I fully zoom on the map do I see anything. Is this happening only with me? deeptrivia (talk) 01:47, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Happening to me too. =Nichalp «Talk»= 04:29, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Seems to be a problem with illustrator created maps, fixed now by clicking the clear cache link on that page-- 10:15, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

IMO, district boundaries should be continued across the LoC for NPOV. e.g., here. This won't mess the map up a lot, I hope. I think it's necessary for NPOV. deeptrivia (talk) 16:56, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

What would be the point of including districts that arent under Indian control. and then theres the question of wether the districts are extended ones of the ones under Indian control or the existing districts borders of Pok and Northern territories-- 09:44, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Nichalp, can you tell me what more changes need to be done? i find line borders to be more clearer than dot-dash borders that you suggest -- 09:44, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

The dotted borders halp maintain NPOV. =Nichalp «Talk»= 16:57, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Planemad for your help on Delhi map, I'm going to use your tips soon. Since both countries claim J&K in its entirety, and since these districts existed prior to 1947 (except the carving out of Kargil District), I thought that shouldn't be a problem. Indian sources still draw the original pre-invasion boundaries, e.g., , , , . I have a couple of suggestions: To me it seems the district borders of Assam are darker than other states, so probably that can be fixed. Second, the rivers in Bangladesh suddenly appear from nowhere, which looks a bit odd. Can anything be done about it? Regards, deeptrivia (talk) 12:29, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

All those maps seem to be old, the latest one ive managed to find is this (2001) and it doesnt show the extended borders. If you can get an updated map, il draw them. About the rivers,they become so wide in Bangladesh that it cant be ignored , but i will reduce the length upto the confluence of the two. Im also thinking of including major rivers and lakes in the map. 09:59, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

I had seen the census map earlier. In that map, I think they are bound to end the lines (although they leave the border open), because they don't have data available for that region, and they have to shade it as "Data Not Available". Anyway, India's stand on Kashmir hasn't changed through all these times. It's true that Brahmaputra (Jamuna), Padma, etc. are quite wide in Bangladesh. However, I'd say that this map also looks a bit wierd for the same reason, that it abruptly widens the rivers at the borders. Of course, no such sudden transition really occurs, and these rivers widen much earlier (e.g., ). Marking rivers throughout India, will be the best solution. deeptrivia (talk) 11:15, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

TBD

Anything else to be decided or clarified on the project main page? =Nichalp «Talk»= 20:10, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Are all borders black? why not use grey or white for districts. that way it wont be visible in a thumbnail and wil only show up in a bigger version -- 18:12, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Will it be visible in a larger resolution? =Nichalp «Talk»= 16:53, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

One more problem: I thought of using Planemad's map for the locator. But it stops displaying after a purge. I remember he saying that Adobe maps have that problem. Can that be fixed? - Ganeshk (talk) 17:01, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Planemad, could you improve my image (projection etc) while keeping it at the same drawing resolution (6x)? It would be nice to have a featured image across all Indian towns. =Nichalp «Talk»= 17:07, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Nichalp, the map i made was from yours. Since the projection had to be changed, i used a map with the best resolution (1996x2384) scaled it to match yours as much as possible and modified the borders. Then i overlayed the state census maps and tried to fit them on the state borders, and then drew the districts. The border accuracy of both maps are essentially the same, the major difference being the projection used.

So why all this fuss about projection? quite simply all available maps on the net use conical projection which is the recomended one, this makes tracing roads and rivers, and marking cities from existing maps much easier. The problem was that Nichalp used the IR map due to its high resolution, but unfortunately was mecrator projected. No other available maps use this projection. But one advantage of using it will be for auto city locator maps which will not work with my map -- 18:17, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Cool! Thanks for the explanation. However I'm not satisfied with the status of Kashmir and AP as per the new maps. I feel they are a bit POV. =Nichalp «Talk»= 18:49, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

np, im open to suggestions on the disputed areas. But why exactly is it POV?

Because to accurately represent NPOV, we would need to have four different border styles. 1) Undisputed international boundary. 2) defacto boundary (LoCs) 3) Extent of area claimed by India 4) Extent of area claimed by others. =Nichalp «Talk»= 06:14, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

These are the borders used: 1> Solid black, 2> Solid red, 3>Broken black, 4> Broken red 07:50, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

One way to fix the thumbnail problem will be to open it up in inkscape and save it again. Anyway i will only work on the main map, so you guys will have to make locator maps etc . i dont have too much badwidth so i dont upload until really needed -- 18:20, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Expansion of main India map

I'm pleased to see Nichalp's SVG map has come on a long way! May I suggest an improvement? It would be extremely useful to have an India map with Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Nepal and Bhutan on (with relevant subdivisions). Indian culture has greatly influenced these countries and the historical borders of India (or the states that made up India) have changed from time to time. Such an expanded map would be very useful for cultural and historical purposes. Thanks. Sukh | ਸੁਖ | Talk 22:41, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Naming conventions

proposal:

• India_base_map.svg base_map, like a common central database with roads, rail, cities. Not for use in articles

• India_map.svg political map with only major roads, cities, important roads.
• India_physical_map.png major physical features
• India_roadway_map.svg national and state highway map with towns
• India_railway_map.svg big task!
• India_airway_map.svg air routes

• India_<state>_locator_map.svg locator map, with state highlighted. districts not visible but capital marked.
• India_<state>_districts_map.svg closeup of state with districts highlighted and capitals marked
• India_<state>_map.svg political map of state with roads, rail, important towns, district outlines
• India_<state>_physical_map.png physical map showing moutain ranges, rivers, peaks, water bodies.

I suggest uploading non text version on commons and uploading text versions to english wp with same filename -- 09:43, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

The physical map will need to be png. SVG can't handle the information. Information is on the project page. Also I've heard that certain browsers can't handle image filenames with spaces in them. We would need to append hyphens or underscores. =Nichalp «Talk»= 16:03, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

City maps

Here's a blank Delhi map showing state and district borders, rail and DMRC tracks, besides roads, parks etc. What do you guys think of the colour scheme? Light yellow could not be used for territory of primary interest because it makes the white roads almost invisible. Other colours are all the recommended ones. This would probably help up concretize standards for city maps. deeptrivia (talk) 06:14, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

You're going great guns DT! have you seen this image: Template:FA Image:Ph map manila large.png? I like the colour scheme in that. =Nichalp «Talk»= 06:21, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Great work deeptrivia. I think it is important to decide what and what not to include in city maps. Im sure no ones going to use these map for navigation, so including too many minor roads and details might be a wasted effort-- 09:35, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Getting borders to coincide

This is an Inkscape question. I've been trying to make the borders between districts (see district map on right) coincident by brute force. It doesn't work well and takes a lot of effort. I'm sure there must be a better way to do this. What should I be doing? deeptrivia (talk) 05:49, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

If inkscape uses a similiar style structure as illustrator this shouldnt be too difficult. What i did for the districts in the india map, was to draw one disrtict over another, with each one having a fill color and a border. So when the areas overlapped, you will see the borders of the district on the higher layer and not the lower one. the principle is to use a higher layer to define the edges of the lower layer instead of shaping them to perfectly fit into each other like a jigsaw -- 09:35, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

I like fitting it as a jigsaw puzzle. It makes the map more complete and accurate, although it's harder work. =Nichalp «Talk»= 16:55, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Okay, that's done. The map still doesn't look very neat. What changes can I make? deeptrivia (talk) 02:30, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Try increasing the brightness of the roads. =Nichalp «Talk»= 16:55, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Okay, the roads are now as bright as they can be. deeptrivia (talk) 02:47, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Can the different area names be clickable like in the discussion below. - Ganeshk (talk) 16:54, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Clickable maps

Please see this discussion. - Ganeshk (talk) 20:42, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Yup, I noticed it on the Football WC page last week. I've also seen the same in the Serbia article. =Nichalp «Talk»= 04:27, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Locator map

Crosspost from Nichalp's talk page: Good news. I finally found a solution for the locator. I saw this dicussion and found this. This template picks up lat and long values and places a locator dot. It is pretty cool. No calculation required. I used that template with the India map. Can you please take a look at this page and let me know if the cities are fairly accurate? - Ganeshk (talk) 15:57, 23 June 2006 (UTC) Example: {{Location map|India|float=none|label=Chennai|lat=13.09|long=80.27|position=right}} produces:

- Ganeshk (talk) 16:02, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Yup, it looks accurate to me. Can anything be done about the overlapping text? =Nichalp «Talk»= 16:32, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

The position flag can be used to set the label to left or right. Please take a look at the page again and check if the overlap was fixed. - Ganeshk (talk) 17:04, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

I have used the new locator map on Machilipatnam. Please check and comment. - Ganeshk (talk) 23:15, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Could you check Hyderabad? I think we should go live with this now. =Nichalp «Talk»= 09:00, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

What do I check? - Ganeshk (talk) 15:25, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

I have added autolocator to Hyderabad (India) too. Please check. - Ganeshk (talk) 15:35, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Perfect. Good job Ganesh! =Nichalp «Talk»= 17:43, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Roadway map

Made from a comprehensive list of highways , i had to exclude a few ( 103-107) cause i couldnt find its exact route. If you open the svg file, all the paths have been named according to its number, eg "nh4".
Also marked the gq and nsew routes and major cities. Finished marking important cities and tourist towns for Kerala and TN. Notice that rivers have been drawn. 19:45, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Wow! This is fantabulous. Great work, Planemed! deeptrivia (talk) 04:24, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Disputed areas colours

I'm unhappy with the hashed lines used to mark the disputed areas on the map. When the image is thumbed, the hashes are hardly discernable. Could it be reverted back using the two separate colours? =Nichalp «Talk»= 14:20, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Multiple location clickable map

We need a infobox/template to superimpose clickable city names over the locator map. See the following example:

Template:Infobox Indian Jurisdiction has superimposition information, so the process should be somewhat easier. Here are the input parameters:

latd1, latd2, location_name1, name_position (right/left)

The output should be a red dot and the corresponding wikitext on the svg map. =Nichalp «Talk»= 16:17, 2 July 2006 (UTC)