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| :::::I think you're missing something. When EC wrote "If you don't want to be called a c*nt, don't act like one," he probably didn't mean something positive and affectionate. But regardless, when I told him it was offensive and asked him to remove it, he didn't. And when I then removed it per RPA, he restored it. That was a personal attack. I will respond no further to this discussion as it's now going in a circle. ] (]) 03:03, 28 July 2014 (UTC) | :::::I think you're missing something. When EC wrote "If you don't want to be called a c*nt, don't act like one," he probably didn't mean something positive and affectionate. But regardless, when I told him it was offensive and asked him to remove it, he didn't. And when I then removed it per RPA, he restored it. That was a personal attack. I will respond no further to this discussion as it's now going in a circle. ] (]) 03:03, 28 July 2014 (UTC) | ||
| ::::::No, that's not a personal attack. At no point was it addressed directly to you, accusing you of being something. It has to be addressed specifically to you to be a personal attack. Maybe the problem is with the word "''you''" in "''If you don't want to be called.''.." It can be used as part of a personal comment, or it can be more general, addressing all readers of the post. I don't think it was directed at you alone and personally. Do you? Even if it was, he wasn't accusing you of being a c.... He began his sentence with "''If..''." Yes, he included a word you don't like. You could argue that he was deliberately causing offence, but that's not a personal attack. ] (]) 03:22, 28 July 2014 (UTC) | ::::::No, that's not a personal attack. At no point was it addressed directly to you, accusing you of being something. It has to be addressed specifically to you to be a personal attack. Maybe the problem is with the word "''you''" in "''If you don't want to be called.''.." It can be used as part of a personal comment, or it can be more general, addressing all readers of the post. I don't think it was directed at you alone and personally. Do you? Even if it was, he wasn't accusing you of being a c.... He began his sentence with "''If..''." Yes, he included a word you don't like. You could argue that he was deliberately causing offence, but that's not a personal attack. ] (]) 03:22, 28 July 2014 (UTC) | ||
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Poor manners
You ignored me when I posted some constructive advice in the two active threads on the C word. You ignored me when I posted here asking why you had ignored me. You will never gain respect that way. HiLo48 (talk) 21:05, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
- There were at least 10 other men talking at me at the point in your conversation when you made your first comment and asked your first question - neither of which was particularly civil or reasonable. I ignored you because you weren't treating me like a colleague. If you have a question, ask away right here. If it's civil and reasonable, I'll answer it. If you want to give me your advice, have at it, though I don't promise to reply - especially if it's more of the same. I've been lectured at a bit lately, and I'm tired. Lightbreather (talk) 21:45, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
- Comments after that: (Other replies, too, but to other editors.) Lightbreather (talk) 21:59, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
- I'll just ask one question again. Can you accept that my culture is very different from yours, and that no single culture should dominate here on Misplaced Pages? I don't ask you to behave in the way people in my culture behave. Must you ask that I behave like people in your culture? HiLo48 (talk) 23:13, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
- Not only can I accept that, it's one of the central points behind the discussion that I originally started. The English language Misplaced Pages is dominated by men. White men. Does that mean their culture should be the "norm" that other Wikipedians are forced to accept?
- Thirty years ago, when I was a young woman, I met a white Australian man. He referred to Aboriginal Australians as "Abos." I have since learned that is considered a slur by many if not most Aborigines. But what if I didn't know that? What if on a WP talk page I were to use that word to refer to a contributor or group of contributors? Actually, for the point I'm trying to make, it wouldn't matter if I knew that it was an offensive word when I first used it. But if you or another editor were to tell me that word is offensive, especially if you were to say, "I am an Aboriginal Australian, and that word is offensive to me" - in a civil conversation I would apologize. If I'd used it on a forum like this, I might even redact it, especially if you asked me to. And if I continued to use it, that would be a choice on my part to be inconsiderate: a personal attack. Do you understand my point now? Lightbreather (talk) 02:11, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
- You're missing part of the argument. I cannot think of a positive use for the word "abos". (Please let me know if I'm wrong.) But the C word that so inflamed you and others IS used as part of a positive, affectionate greeting by some Australians males, always addressed to other Australian males. Nothing to do with women. No offence involved. You cannot ask that such usage be never mentioned on Misplaced Pages. HiLo48 (talk) 02:38, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
- I think you're missing something. When EC wrote "If you don't want to be called a c*nt, don't act like one," he probably didn't mean something positive and affectionate. But regardless, when I told him it was offensive and asked him to remove it, he didn't. And when I then removed it per RPA, he restored it. That was a personal attack. I will respond no further to this discussion as it's now going in a circle. Lightbreather (talk) 03:03, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
- No, that's not a personal attack. At no point was it addressed directly to you, accusing you of being something. It has to be addressed specifically to you to be a personal attack. Maybe the problem is with the word "you" in "If you don't want to be called..." It can be used as part of a personal comment, or it can be more general, addressing all readers of the post. I don't think it was directed at you alone and personally. Do you? Even if it was, he wasn't accusing you of being a c.... He began his sentence with "If..." Yes, he included a word you don't like. You could argue that he was deliberately causing offence, but that's not a personal attack. HiLo48 (talk) 03:22, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
- I think you're missing something. When EC wrote "If you don't want to be called a c*nt, don't act like one," he probably didn't mean something positive and affectionate. But regardless, when I told him it was offensive and asked him to remove it, he didn't. And when I then removed it per RPA, he restored it. That was a personal attack. I will respond no further to this discussion as it's now going in a circle. Lightbreather (talk) 03:03, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
- You're missing part of the argument. I cannot think of a positive use for the word "abos". (Please let me know if I'm wrong.) But the C word that so inflamed you and others IS used as part of a positive, affectionate greeting by some Australians males, always addressed to other Australian males. Nothing to do with women. No offence involved. You cannot ask that such usage be never mentioned on Misplaced Pages. HiLo48 (talk) 02:38, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
- I'll just ask one question again. Can you accept that my culture is very different from yours, and that no single culture should dominate here on Misplaced Pages? I don't ask you to behave in the way people in my culture behave. Must you ask that I behave like people in your culture? HiLo48 (talk) 23:13, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
Please read carefully the first paragraph and the first bullet of WP:WIAPA and please leave me alone now. Lightbreather (talk) 03:38, 28 July 2014 (UTC)