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::::Well, that's it from me I obviously didn't violate the rule though I was rude and I'm sorry for that. I just wish there was someone who could understand where I'm coming from here. The page needs changing, I tried to change it by adding statistics/date and not the research of some Palestinian guy.--<small style="font: 13px Courier New>]<big>_</big>]</span></small> 12:58, 28 July 2014 (UTC) ::::Well, that's it from me I obviously didn't violate the rule though I was rude and I'm sorry for that. I just wish there was someone who could understand where I'm coming from here. The page needs changing, I tried to change it by adding statistics/date and not the research of some Palestinian guy.--<small style="font: 13px Courier New>]<big>_</big>]</span></small> 12:58, 28 July 2014 (UTC)



====Statement by Shrike====
:::::@Nishidani "Like every other sentence"—nice ad hominem attack. How petty. "You made a grammatical error", hilarious. I usually fix grammatical errors as you yourself acknowledged in your reversion. Some of my edits in talk namespaces contain grammatical errors and I don't address them because the message is conveyed. Many other users make grammatical errors, yet you don't seem to care about them. Meanwhile, way to insult me by calling me "racist", an absurd and hypocritical accusation. I have not used one epithet except "antisemite", as you're a far-left anti-israel third-wordist with a talk page explicitly stating your contempt of Jewish editors and Israel. You consider Jews to be greedy land-grabbing colonialists and when someone calls you out you cry "racism". You call accepted demographic facts "talking points" just because they don't fit your fringe idea of Palestinians as some ancient civilization of peaceful olive-grove dwelling nomads. You assume that I have some insidious purpose because I (and any moderate person) disagree with you and the bias in this article. It does not present the mainstream opinion and instead uses an extreme as a default. I HAVE read the historical scholarship, including the historical revisionism peddled out by the likes of Yasser Arafat, and it's just that, revisionism. I'm not saying there are any "real owners", it's not some sort of blood-land feud, but this articles deliberately misleads the audience into thinking Arab Palestinians (who arrived in the late 8th century) are directly related to obsolete unrelated biblical entities. The fact that you consider Canaanites to be Palestinian, for example, proves I have legitimate concerns about your neutrality. My edit actually provided the definition of a Palestinian refugee, something it was missing, as well as a guide to the application of "Palestinian" vs "Israeli Arab".--<small style="font: 13px Courier New>]<big>_</big>]</span></small> 17:19, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
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Exactly to what version "the first revert" was reverting?--] (])/] 11:07, 28 July 2014 (UTC) Exactly to what version "the first revert" was reverting?--] (])/] 11:07, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
Also in general in past AE cases first edit was considered a revert if it was explicitly reverting something but this not a case as far a I can see.--] (])/] 11:13, 28 July 2014 (UTC) Also in general in past AE cases first edit was considered a revert if it was explicitly reverting something but this not a case as far a I can see.--] (])/] 11:13, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

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    Ezzex

    Ezzex is topic-banned from all pages related to the Arab-Israeli conflict for three months. Lord Roem ~ (talk) 06:20, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
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    Request concerning Ezzex

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    Gaijin42 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 18:56, 21 July 2014 (UTC)
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    Ezzex (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    1. POV/Vandal
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    Ezzex recently made an ANI post where previous behavior was an issue

    1. more POV
    2. Personal attacks

    And a previous ANI against Ezzex which ended with a firm warning from Go_Phightins! for soapboxing. Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive847#User:Ezzex

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    Obvious case of WP:NOTHERE could notmally be cleaned up fairly easily, but 1RR and applied DS puts at risk of edit warring since this is not over vandalism.

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    Gaijin42 ! you have been blocked 3 times in 1 year. Is this some sort of revenge?? --Ezzex (talk) 20:36, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

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    This looks to be POV-pushing in article space. I recommend a topic ban. The pattern is consistent with a 12 July ANI thread, Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive847#User:Ezzex, where Ezzex was warned for calling Misplaced Pages a 'tool of Israel' and for referring to the murder of the three Israeli teenagers as 'just killings on occupied land.' EdJohnston (talk) 02:12, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

    Captain Occam

    There is fairly clearly nothing to do, or that can be done, here. Black Kite (talk) 23:56, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
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    Request concerning Captain Occam

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    WeijiBaikeBianji (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 23:48, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
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    1. 24 July 2014 I.P. editor visits talk page of editor Maunus to recommend Captain Occam's off-wiki advice on a point-of-view forum on how to edit articles within the scope of his topic ban (which was later expanded to a site ban)
    2. 25 July 2014 First I.P. editor link to same off-wiki forum on talk page of editor WeijiBaikeBianji, soon deleted by that editor to counteract an attempt to evade the site ban
    3. 25 July 2014 Differing I.P. editor link to same off-wiki discussion on talk page of editor WeijiBaikeBianji, soon deleted by that editor in light of content guideline against linking to external harassment (I hope that other editors who see this external link on their talk pages will also remove the link on the same rationale
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    linked above

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    • Mentioned by name in the Arbitration Committee's Final Decision linked to above.
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    The sanctioned editor appears to be using off-wiki forums regularly and persistently to run a drawer full of POV-pushing socks.


    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

    I visited the talk page for Captain Occam to attempt to give him notice, and I see that that what I post on his talk page is covered up by a template announcing that his access to that page is blocked. My 25 July 2014 attempt to notify him is in the talk page history. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 23:48, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

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    Statement by Maunus

    I donøt understand the request. Captain Occam is not editing, he is offering off-wiki advise about how to edit to people who are otherwise mostly clueless nuisances. I think that can only be good. Those people are going to edit anyway. This way at least they have an introduction to how to go about it. Also at this point I should disclose that I have consulted with Occam about my recent edits to the Race and Intelligence article. This is a necessity because there are no editors currently on wiki with interest and expertise in the hereditarian view which needs to be represented in the article. User:Maunus ·ʍaunus·snunɐw· 17:07, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

    Statement by Collect

    What precisely are you seeking? Your talk page post is not covered up by a template - the page was hatted by Beeblebrox, which appears a reasonable act. You are not being prevented from doing anything there as far as I can tell. More to the point, what actual acts do you wish the committee to exert over off-wiki sites? King Canute is not currently serving on the committee that I am aware of. Collect (talk) 00:06, 26 July 2014 (UTC)


    Statement by (username)

    Result concerning Captain Occam

    This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.

    • Not actionable. Even if this offwiki conduct by Captain Occam were sanctionable onwiki, Captain Occam is already sitebanned and blocked, so there's nothing we can do here. We should re-add the question what specific action the complainant requests to the request form.  Sandstein  06:00, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
    • Just noting that I did deliberately leave an open-ended hat on CO's talk page, because there is really nothing to discuss there as they are banned and can only appeal through BASC. That being the case I can see no purpose to this request. We cannot control what banned users (or anyone else) does on external websites. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:16, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

    Khabboos

    Summarily declined as unclear. Please resubmit with a link to the remedy to be enforced and to dated diffs that explain how these edits are problematic.  Sandstein  08:23, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
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    Request concerning Khabboos

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    BullRangifer (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 06:30, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
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    The topic banned Khabboos is back with a vengeance:

    Here is his failed appeal of his existing topic ban:

    He has also been properly warned about his disruptive behavior in the pseudoscience/fringe area:

    The person who started the following thread, User:John19322, is very likely a sock of Khabboos (or someone else):

    TenOfAllTrades correctly questioned him at the end of that thread. Here's what he wrote:

    Incidentally, @John19322:, you mentioned that you posted sources above on the page. Under what account? As far as I can tell, you only created the John19322 account a few days ago, and you've only made one edit (to start this thread) to this talk page. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 15:44, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

    Obviously John19322 is a sock of someone who posted above....He blew his cover! This is the type of amateurish mistake Khabboos and User:Dr.Jhingaadey could make.

    I will notify Khabboos. -- Brangifer (talk) 06:30, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

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    Khabboos should be topic banned in the alternative medicine/pseudoscience/fringe area, "widely construed."

    He should likely be blocked for sockpuppetry as well. A likely suspect is one of the numerous socks of the indef banned User:Dr.Jhingaadey. They share numerous behaviors, obsessions, POV, and amateurish use of socks. -- Brangifer (talk) 06:30, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

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    Result concerning Khabboos

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    Summarily declined as unclear. Please resubmit with a link to the remedy to be enforced and to dated diffs that explain how these edits are problematic. Be advised that continued unspecific or unproven accusations of sockpuppetry may result in sanctions against yourself.  Sandstein  08:23, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

    Monochrome monitor

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    Request concerning Monochrome monitor

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    Zero0000 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 10:50, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
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    Monochrome monitor (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

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    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    ARBPIA :
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. 09:03, 28 July 2014 First revert
    2. 08:42–09:33, 28 July 2014 Second revert
    Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any
    1. 06:43, 10 July 2014 36 hour block for 1RR violation
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    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    I don't make reports like this unless I think we would be better off without the editor concerned. Shows a strong pattern of editing to a personal POV.

    @Callanecc: I think that a ban would require a more extensive report than I have made, so in this instance I believe a temporary block would be adequate. Given this editor's recent block for the same offence, the block should be of duration appropriate to a repeat violation.

    @Shrike: The first contiguous sequence of edits deleted existing text together with it's academic source. I wouldn't call it a revert if it was a mere rewording or replacement by a better source, but in fact it was deletion of cited text in order to substitute text with a different pov. Ergo, a revert.

    @the panda: Actually I think the meaning of "revert" has been taken too literally recently and there is a danger of losing sight of the purpose of the rule, namely to suppress or at least slow down edit warring. I regard the first diff to be a revert, not just because it changes and deletes previous text but because it is done for the clear purpose of pressing one pov while deleting another. These edits removed two pieces of text, both well cited, that refer to the Palestinians having deep roots in Palestine, and inserted in the place of the first a reference only to recent times. This is one of the major point of contention in the subject and such a change is clearly edit-warring. In addition, the edit that deleted the sentence cited to scholar Alan Dowty had the edit summary "sentence flow, slight reword" which is very hard to see as a summary made in good faith. Zero 12:15, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

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    Statement by Monochrome monitor

    Okay, I didn't violate anything. That's just shoddy reporting. The first citation is my edit to the article. The second edit is me reverting someone who undid my edits to the article. I stopped advocating my edit after that. I did absolutely nothing wrong. --monochrome_monitor 11:01, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

    What the hell? It was one revert. My first was an edit and the second was a revert to that edit. And are you serious? You think wikipedia would be better off without me? That's absurd. If you read my edits they were not biased and I've been told that I've greatly improved NPOV by different editos. The fact that the same admin wants to report me is also absurd. --monochrome_monitor 11:12, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

    @shrike: THANK YOU I WAS NOT REVERTING ANYTHING. --monochrome_monitor 11:15, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

    I just reworded some things. The fact that Zero has intentionally staked me out for some alleged crime just shows his own bias, especially since he has a problem with wikieditorpro for being too "pro-israel". There was nothing wrong with the actual edit I made either. --monochrome_monitor 11:18, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
    @the panda ₯’ I didn't change anything that was recently added. Hence not a revert. And you really think I was trying to be deceptive? I was just editing and I thought it would be good to bring up some history.
    @Johnuniq It wasn't exactly a personal attack, I asked him to tell me what I said that was biased and noticed on his page vilification of Israel and contempt of being accused of Jew-baiting. I deleted it in exasperation because I didn't want to get into an argument especially when I read his comments on Jews being like Nazis. --monochrome_monitor 11:43, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
    I did not mean to attack him ad hominem, if it was offensive I apologize. --monochrome_monitor 11:56, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

    So it seems like we established that I didn't break one revert, can I leave this kangaroo court? I already apologized for the offense I didn't know that we couldn't refer to users even if we didn't address their names. What's not fair is you all share the same POV and thus have reason to want me reported even though I didn't break the specific rule. There's a bit of a conflict of interest.

    @zero Your definition of revert isn't revert. And I did not substitute one POV for another. I used the prevailing POV—that Palestinians have roots in Palestine since 780ish, even the article admits Palestine wasn't Arab until then. This article endorses the historical revisionist view that Palestinians are all the the people who existed before them simultaneously. I was trying to make the article NPOV. The purpose of the article is obviously to promote the "palestinians as indigenous" narrative when it should address ALL narratives. I tried to use to most centrist narrative as possible. And as per the reference, I tried to add a reference from a more neutral source but broke the reference link so I deleted it. You don't need to presume that all of my actions have some sort of insidious intent. I just think moderation in this area is very important considering all the rhetoric right now and its accompanying violence. --monochrome_monitor 12:35, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
    The article fails to history. From the 12th century BCE until 135 CE Jews were the largest ethnic- religious group, from 135 CE until the 14th century the Hellenistic population which was converted to Christianity during the 4th-5th century were the largest religious group. On the eve of the Ottoman conquest (1516) the population of the land west to the Jordan River numbered 120,000, mostly Muslim for the first time in history. From the 16th century until the last decades of the 19th century the population numbered about 250,000. Most Palestinians came to the region between the 19th and 20th centuries. They weren't Jews who miraculously became Greek who miraculously became Arab. No well-sourced essay can claim that. You can't convert ethnicities. The article says that palestinians are people who have always been there who have been Arabized which is purposefully deceptive. They are Arabs who have been there for a few centuries. Of course Jews are related to Palestinians, they are all middle eastern. Muslim Arabs are closely related to Ashkenazi Jews, for Christ's sake. And all humans have 98% of the same DNA. But tell me this article isn't just well-sourced revisionism. By its logic I as a Jew could claim to be from Saudi Arabia since our genes are similar except I was "Judiazed". That's patently ridiculous and you know it. There is nothing before 1967 that claims Palestinians are indigenous, and for good reason, it's all politics.--monochrome_monitor 12:45, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
    So, yeah. I'm trying to make the article NPOV because it advocates a fringe idea. Just as scholars don't have a consensus on any Palestinian national identity, they don't have a consensus on Palestinian indigineity. However you spell that. I understand this will only further enrage the people who just want to see me reported, so be it. --monochrome_monitor 12:54, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
    Well, that's it from me I obviously didn't violate the rule though I was rude and I'm sorry for that. I just wish there was someone who could understand where I'm coming from here. The page needs changing, I tried to change it by adding statistics/date and not the research of some Palestinian guy.--monochrome_monitor 12:58, 28 July 2014 (UTC)


    @Nishidani "Like every other sentence"—nice ad hominem attack. How petty. "You made a grammatical error", hilarious. I usually fix grammatical errors as you yourself acknowledged in your reversion. Some of my edits in talk namespaces contain grammatical errors and I don't address them because the message is conveyed. Many other users make grammatical errors, yet you don't seem to care about them. Meanwhile, way to insult me by calling me "racist", an absurd and hypocritical accusation. I have not used one epithet except "antisemite", as you're a far-left anti-israel third-wordist with a talk page explicitly stating your contempt of Jewish editors and Israel. You consider Jews to be greedy land-grabbing colonialists and when someone calls you out you cry "racism". You call accepted demographic facts "talking points" just because they don't fit your fringe idea of Palestinians as some ancient civilization of peaceful olive-grove dwelling nomads. You assume that I have some insidious purpose because I (and any moderate person) disagree with you and the bias in this article. It does not present the mainstream opinion and instead uses an extreme as a default. I HAVE read the historical scholarship, including the historical revisionism peddled out by the likes of Yasser Arafat, and it's just that, revisionism. I'm not saying there are any "real owners", it's not some sort of blood-land feud, but this articles deliberately misleads the audience into thinking Arab Palestinians (who arrived in the late 8th century) are directly related to obsolete unrelated biblical entities. The fact that you consider Canaanites to be Palestinian, for example, proves I have legitimate concerns about your neutrality. My edit actually provided the definition of a Palestinian refugee, something it was missing, as well as a guide to the application of "Palestinian" vs "Israeli Arab".--monochrome_monitor 17:19, 28 July 2014 (UTC)


    Exactly to what version "the first revert" was reverting?--Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 11:07, 28 July 2014 (UTC) Also in general in past AE cases first edit was considered a revert if it was explicitly reverting something but this not a case as far a I can see.--Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 11:13, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

    Here what is written by User:Timotheus_Canens

    I don't think DLDD's first edit is a revert. AE has repeatedly held that edits falling within the technical definition may nonetheless not qualify as a revert; in Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive73#SlimVirgin, for example, the first edit at issue removed an entire section, but it was nonetheless held to be not a revert

    --Shrike (talk)/WP:RX 11:35, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

    Statement by Johnuniq

    I noticed that Monochrome monitor added then removed a comment at User talk:Nishidani. The removal edit summary was "deleted my question, convo with you will get me no where (blatant antisemite)" (diff). The removed comment included "Looking at your page you seem to biased and a bit antisemitic, I think I'll consult more neutral parties". MM should be informed that discussion about an article belongs on its talk page, and that attacks on other editors are not permitted. Johnuniq (talk) 11:22, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

    Statement by Nomoskedasticity

    This edit, referring to another editor as a "total tool", adds to my impression that Monochrome monitor is not going to make a constructive contribution to the I/P editing area. I was going to post about his calling Nishidani an anti-Semite as well, but I see that's already been addressed above. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 11:56, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

    Statement by Nishidani

    'The article fails to history.' That, like every other sentence I've examined from monochrome writer, is ungrammatical. But the list of remarks that follows it, shows that this editor has zero knowledge of historical scholarship, since it systematically trots out clichés in 'fact sheet handouts' printed to 'guide' activists in the I/P area (for how complex this is see Demographics of Palestine. Whatever, by 1900 94% of the population was 'Arab'(Muslim/Christian), who were not blow-ins barging into a Jewish land to dispossess the real owners, i.e., since Byzantine times an exiguous minority. All this is straight out of Joan Peters's fictional book and even poorer sources. I don't particularly mind the crude racist insults (4) documented on my page, some while he was reported here. But in this area we do not need walk-in editors brandishing a programme of pseudoids to conduct edit-wars.Nishidani (talk) 13:28, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

    Result concerning Monochrome monitor

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