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:There is no evidence that he "directed" plays, or even that there was such as concept as theatre director at the time. ] (]) 20:27, 4 June 2014 (UTC) :There is no evidence that he "directed" plays, or even that there was such as concept as theatre director at the time. ] (]) 20:27, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

::The role of Director simply didn't exist at the time, rather a combination of stock character performance and actor/writer lead ensemble rehearsal was employed. for reference see almost any book on the subject, specifically the academically definitive "The Shakespearean Stage, 1574-1642" by Gurr, Andrew. Cambridge University Press. ] (]) 15:29, 10 August 2014 (UTC)


== Shakespeare's Religion == == Shakespeare's Religion ==
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:It's not an original claim. The various theories are all discussed in the article ]. ] (]) 16:03, 13 June 2014 (UTC) :It's not an original claim. The various theories are all discussed in the article ]. ] (]) 16:03, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

::Shakespeare's Catholicism is by no means established beyond reasonable doubt. Arguments, evidence and theories exist for Shakespeare as Catholic, Protestant, Atheist, Agnostic and Jew. ] (]) 15:34, 10 August 2014 (UTC)


== recently of the court of King James == == recently of the court of King James ==

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Shakespeare was born on the 23rd not 26th! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.82.96.195 (talk) 16:37, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
You are mistaken in two points. the article doesn't say he was born on the 26th, it says he was baptized on the 26th. The article doesn't give any birthday, because Shakespeare's birthdate is unknown. The article elaborates further, if you'll read through it. - Nunh-huh 00:20, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

400th Death Anniversary TFA

You guys have less than 2 years to get something to WP:FA for his 400th death anniversary.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 00:08, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

This article is already FA, in case you didn't notice. Other Shakespeare articles have also been promoted already. Paul B (talk) 13:17, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
Others, but far from all! King Lear is B- or C-class (the Theatre and Shakespeare WikiProjects have differing grades) and Macbeth and Othello are both C-class. Apart from Hamlet and Romeo and Juliet, which are both FAs (and past TFAs), the highest-graded article for a Shakespeare play is a GA for The Tempest. I'd be sorry to see an anniversary like Shakespeare's 400th pass by unmarked... Ham (talk) 18:40, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Occupation

Shakespeare also directed some of his plays (most) and thus also one of his occupations was being a Director; although this isn't shown under the Occupation section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Josshhuuuaaa (talkcontribs) 18:10, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

There is no evidence that he "directed" plays, or even that there was such as concept as theatre director at the time. Paul B (talk) 20:27, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
The role of Director simply didn't exist at the time, rather a combination of stock character performance and actor/writer lead ensemble rehearsal was employed. for reference see almost any book on the subject, specifically the academically definitive "The Shakespearean Stage, 1574-1642" by Gurr, Andrew. Cambridge University Press. MarlovianPlough (talk) 15:29, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Shakespeare's Religion

The Michael Wood documentary, "In Search of Shakespeare", establishes his faith as Catholic. Has this been refuted? Documentary can be YouTubed at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h96ThdV_BM Adrienneharris (talk) 15:57, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

It's not an original claim. The various theories are all discussed in the article Shakespeare's religion. Paul B (talk) 16:03, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
Shakespeare's Catholicism is by no means established beyond reasonable doubt. Arguments, evidence and theories exist for Shakespeare as Catholic, Protestant, Atheist, Agnostic and Jew. MarlovianPlough (talk) 15:34, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

recently of the court of King James

Has it been established whether the passage refers to William Shackspeare, gentleman, recently of the court of King James? Could it refer instead to William Shackspeare, gentleman, who recently in the court of King James which was established in this borough via Edward VI, etc., commenced the suit against Addenbrooke? Does the King James' court refer to Shakespeare or is the passage establishing that the court is operated by King James and was established in Stratford in the time of Edward VI?

I tend to lean toward the second interpretation as it seems odd to mention "court" as in retinue and then immediately define that this court of law has been in Stratford since Edward VI. Thank you for your consideration of this. Fotoguzzi (talk) 04:24, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Looking at it again a few ways--emphasis mine: "Preceptum est servientibus ad clavam ibidem quod cum quidam Willielmus Shackspeare, generosus, nuper in curia domini Jacobi, nunc regis Anglie, burgi predicti, ibidem tenta virtute literarum patentium domini Edwardi, nuper regis Anglie, sexti, levavit quandam querelam suam versus quendam Johannem. Addenbrooke de placito debiti..."
...Shackspeare, gentleman, recently in the court of King James, current ruler of England, aforementioned borough... I do not know Latin sentence structure, but is "burgi predicti" referring to Shackspeare? Is it referring to James' court? If we remove, "nuper in curia domini Jacobi, nunc regis Anglie," is there still a sentence? Thanks. Fotoguzzi (talk) 02:55, 27 July 2014 (UTC) Fotoguzzi (talk) 01:10, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
Yes, the sentence would still make sense even with "nuper in curia domini Jacobi, nunc regis Anglie" removed. The "burgi predicti" tells us that William Shackspeare is of the aforesaid borough, presumably Stratford, and the "curia" is the royal court of King James, not the local one. In her "Ungentle Shakespeare" (p.241) Katherine Duncan-Jones says "In the seventh and last surviving document relating to this case Shakespeare is described as 'generosus, nuper in curia domini Jacobi, nunc regis Angliae' – 'a gentleman, lately in the court of the lord James, now King of England'. This pompous phrase suggests an attempt by Shakespeare's attorney to 'pull rank' on his client's behalf, in order to secure the sum owed." Peter Farey (talk) 06:06, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
I fail to see what any of this has to do with the article, unless a reliable source can be used to dispute the translation. Otherwise, it's just anti-strat special pleading. Paul B (talk) 18:44, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
Or, the entirety of the world could determine if the current cited translation is correct, and if not, then search for a reliable source with an alternate translation. Peter Farey states that there is still a sentence if the parenthetical material is removed. Is not what remains something like: "...there having virtue of letters patent (from? from the time of?) King Edward, recent ruler of England, the sixth,..." What exactly was held because of the letters patent? The Edward VI material seems more parenthetical than the pompous phrase. Sorry if that is anti-Stratfordian--I was just trying to tie Stratford to Edward VI. Fotoguzzi (talk) 08:42, 5 August 2014 (UTC) Fotoguzzi (talk) 09:00, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
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