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In other cases, minor disagreements over content can become needlessly heated when the editor responds in an aggressive manner. In other cases, minor disagreements over content can become needlessly heated when the editor responds in an aggressive manner.


The editor involved has stated he delights in responding with abuse when he is reverted and does not engage in talk. The editor involved with being reverted without explanation ("These arbitrary reverts are a real slap in the face") and says that, since the end result is the same anyway, that responding viciously is more satisfactory than responding politely


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"Best Known For" IP
Wikilifespan2011-present
ISPVTR Banda Ancha S.A. (Chile)
Entel PCS Telecomunicaciones S.A.
Known IPssee list, typical ranges 190.44/16, 190.162/15, 200.120.128/17 (VTR), 186.37/16 (Entel)
Physical locationSantiago, Chile
InstructionsReport excessive verbal abuse. Please link WP:AIV reports to this long-term abuse report, and then please update this report with the latest information.
StatusActive

Please report all ongoing incidents of abuse to AIV or ANI.

Basic information

IP editor from South America, regularly removes the phrase "best known for" claiming violation of WP:NPOV and aggressively edit wars over it with personal attacks. Has been blocked regularly since October 2011, and often deliberately switches IP addresses during a block.

Targeted areas, pages, themes

  • Biographies of living people

Habitual behavior

  • A typical first edit will remove the phrase "best known for" from an article with an edit summary of "rm pov". Sometimes edit summaries can be called "snarky", which may trigger reverts.
  • Subsequent attempts to re-insert the phrase will be reverted, sometimes with personal attacks in the edit summaries.
  • In a sustained edit war, the IP will be blocked or the page protected. After protection is removed and the block expires, the pattern repeats.
  • In the event that the IP is blocked for a long-term (up to 3 months), the user swaps to another IP.

The principal problem with this case is that most edits made by this user are good-faith edits that are often supported by editors when looked at on their individual merits. This makes issues of conduct harder to enforce.

In other cases, minor disagreements over content can become needlessly heated when the editor responds in an aggressive manner.

The editor involved has stated he is frustrated with being reverted without explanation ("These arbitrary reverts are a real slap in the face") and says that, since the end result is the same anyway, that responding viciously is more satisfactory than responding politely

Cases

Other notes

The IPs geolocate to South America, often Santiago, Chile, but sometimes from Brazil.

Comments from Chaheel Riens

The only thing I'll comment upon (as I'm about to vacation for two weeks so will probably be unable to contribute further,) is that in retrospect the IP editor is not necessarily incorrect in their edits - "best known for" in some cases can be considered subjective, but in other cases the term "best known for" was supported and made by reliable sources.

However, the main issue was not the removal of the term(s) by the editor, but their general interaction with all and sundry when either discussing or reverting. Nothing but abuse and foul-mouthed vitriol when approached, and continuous after blocks had expired suggesting no willingness to change. I think it should be made clear that this is not a report solely about the edits themselves, but the conduct surrounding them - IP-hopping notwithstanding. Chaheel Riens (talk) 11:40, 18 July 2014 (UTC)


Comments from SummerPhD

This case is not about the edits. Whether or not to include the wording in question is, as always, up for discussion. The editor, however, is unconcerned with any possible consensus and/or sources. They have taken issue with its use, decided it is categorically wrong and must be removed without discussion. WP:BRD, WP:NPA and WP:3RR are of no interest to them. - SummerPhD (talk) 11:59, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Comments from SchroCat

As per the above, on some, but by no means all, occasions this IP makes good edits, but when those edits are challenged on any grounds whatsoever, they go into an abusive edit warring mode. Their edit history as 201.215.252.50 shows this approach to editing, and this shows their approach to reasoned dialogue on the talk pages, even going to the extent of edit warring at ANI - again and again and again. All that happens when they are blocked is to jump to a new IP address and keep on going, often leaving another uncivil message, e.g.: "rm all the lies of idiots, cunts, retards and wankers"

Not all there edits are good: some are downright awful, and their grasp of what is covered by copyright is weak; the bigger problem is that their demands to get their own way without the need for reasoned or rational discussion here, when based on their misunderstanding of what the limits of copyright are, are frustrating. Even worse than their lack of grasp on the issues at hand is their reaction. The edit history of that same thread shows them edit warring to remove the comments of others, and their swings into incivility: "you are just being a dick"; "fucking retarded little cunt" etc. – SchroCat (talk) 14:43, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Comments from Bretonbanquet

My findings are much as the above. Not all edits by these IPs are unhelpful, but I think that's more by luck than judgement. With respect to his persistence in removing "best known for" wording – on occasion he's brought to light some poorly worded and subjective statements that deserved to be changed, but at other times he's repeatedly removed referenced material that was in no way contentious, such as at Jeremy Spencer, who in Misplaced Pages terms, is only notable for one thing. At 1977 South African Grand Prix, he repeatedly argued against the suggestion that a sporting event in which two people were violently killed might be best remembered for that fact. He is a persistent edit-warrior and IP hopper, and rarely uses a talk page, even when specifically asked to do so. He will immediately return to edit-warring after a block expires, and his sarcastic, bullying edit summaries are unconstructive and wholly detrimental to the project "prick", "infantile twat", . He has no concept of consensus or reliable sources and rides roughshod over both.

This editor has also been blocked for block evasion , and I concur with the editors above that his confrontational manner and abusive behaviour are completely unacceptable "fucking moron" etc. Bretonbanquet (talk) 13:50, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Comments from Wee Curry Monster

I recognise the style instantly, the editor responsible has been editing wikipedia for about 5 years that I'm aware of. Added a number of IP addresses I'm aware of below from Ian Gow. I could have added some historical ones but they are probably stale. He is mainly based in Santiago, Chile but I've noted him travelling to the UK and Canada from the Whois lookup.

I aware that Antandrus, Born2cycle, Drmies, Dennis Brown and Dpmuk have at various times tried to convince the guy to be civil. This editor has frequently been blocked for edit warring and extreme violation of WP:CIVIL. I have observed over a period of 5 years, that as the IP cycles he appears to get away with much of his excesses. Whenever the IP cycles it appears the block counter is reset back to 24 hrs and wikipedia seems to forget about the previous IP. Frustratingly I have also had a series of admins insisting I had to discuss matters with the guy, for which you're rewarded with abuse eg Censored, Censored Censored You dopy little Censored, "wee curry monster".. In comparison with some of the epithets he's coined "fucking moron" is almost a term of endearment. WCMemail 08:06, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive729#Editor from Chile using multiple ip addresses to evade blocks Discussion from 2011 at WP:ANI. Note the diff , where he admits to manipulating his IP to block evade. There is also an extreme example of 8RR and block by Bongwarrior. See also Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive728#Hate Filled Personal Attacks by Anon IP. I could post more, what is depressing is the number of times its been there and been dismissed. WCMemail 10:05, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

To add to my earlier comment. I've observed much of what this IP does, tends to be about improving articles but not always. Its those occasions where his changes are detrimental to article quality that are most troubling. They continue to demand that they get their way and respond with abuse and aggressive edit warring, and do so no matter how they're approached. As Drmies notes here though he claimed I reverted him solely because he edits as an IP, that was untrue; I made an effort to explain my reasons for reverting his changes. I was rewarded for my courtesy with abuse and that is unacceptable. The guy seems to enjoy trolling and admits as much here "I get more satisfaction out of responding viciously than I would out of responding politely". Whilst there is some truth that IP editors are sometimes not treated fairly, those who comment about this in connection with this IP are giving him a fig leaf to hide behind; he complains loudly this is the case whether it is true or not. WCMemail 17:33, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Briefly, from Drmies

All the edits to articles I've seen this IP editor make are quality items: I strongly disagree with some of the other posters--the IP editor has a nose for language and that they disregard reliable sources, I haven't seen it. Their combative style is clear, though, and typically it provokes a strong reaction and quick revert, often a dismissive revert without explanation which smacks of an all-too easy backlash against IP editors. On the other hand, many of their comments are totally unacceptable. I find this a difficult case: they've never been abusive toward me, and in content discussions they typically tone down that rhetoric.

It seems to me they're editing from principle, and I also think that frequently their point is valid--it's just that they express it in provocative ways and enjoy the fight too much. If it weren't for the cuss words this would be a very different conversation and I might side with them. But given the situation, I see the bad on both sides, with some dismissiveness and passive-aggressiveness on the named editors' sides (not always, and not from all), and way too much cussing on the IP's side, which is unacceptable. Drmies (talk) 13:47, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Confirmed and suspected accounts

Admission from IP that this list is "massively incomplete".

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