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Little Mix Discography - sales

Users LittleMixCroatia and Joedunn98 have been adding sales worldwide and by country for all records on Little Mix discography. I tagged them with {{Citation needed}} as I feel these figures shouldn't be quoted without some verified source to back them up, and Joedunn98 has simply removed the tags. I'm sure he's just a fan, but what do other editors think, should the figures stay without any citations? As far as I can tell, they have been sourced from the Digital Spy website or the fan site Little Mix Daily, which simply reproduces the figures from Digital Spy. The Digital Spy figures would appear to be simply estimates, with no official confirmation, and I don't know whether they have come from the website's writers or fans on the forums. Anybody want to look into it and confirm whether this is the case or not? Thanks. Richard3120 (talk) 20:46, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Update: Ok, LittleMixCroatia has updated the citations with, as I suspected, references to figures taken from the forums of the Digital Spy website. As this will be user-generated content, and there is no indication where the DS forum user has obtained the figures himself/herself, I would guess that this qualifies as an unusable citation, would I be right? Richard3120 (talk) 17:02, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Absolutely unreliable. I would revert these edits on sight. I have reverted to a previous version of the article. Sales figures for singles are generally not included, as they vary in their availability and aren't updated very often. Adabow (talk) 22:11, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Aaaand Little Mix Croatia has simply re-added all the sales figures again... sigh. And the photo which violated copyright which is why it was removed in the first place. Judging by this message left on another editor's talk page, he/she appears to disagree with WP:OWN. I will leave them a polite message and give him/her a chance to come up with some verifiable sources. Richard3120 (talk) 21:45, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Sigh... judging by this comment they seem to simply not care about verifying whether the figures are real or not. I've left another message on Little Mix Croatia's talk page. Richard3120 (talk) 11:35, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Notability check

Hey all, I'm hoping to get a notability check on Jordyn Taylor, as I am contemplating an AfD. Based on what I can tell from WP:BAND, there isn't a whole lot of justification for an article yet. According to Discogs, she has had one track on the Confessions of a Shopaholic soundtrack, which conceivably could make her notable. And I found this item, which indicates she has recorded two albums, but I'm not familiar with Star Base records to know if it meets the criteria for a major label or a hungry indie. Per WP:BEFORE I looked to see if there was any significant coverage at Google News or Google Books, but I didn't find anything. Thoughts? Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:08, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Requested move of Madonna (entertainer) to Madonna

Interested editors may wish to discuss here. –Chase (talk / contribs) 00:21, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:World music by language

Category:World music by language has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. You are encouraged to join the discussion on the Categories for discussion page. 068129201223129O9598127 (talk) 22:59, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Using {{Certification}} in {{Certification Table Entry}}

Being the bold editor that I am, I went ahead and tweaked {{Certification Table Entry}} such that its award parameter would use {{Certification}} in order to display discs along with the text instead of just plain text for illustration. Within minutes this tweak was reverted by HĐ, justifying the revert by saying the images "are sooooo annoying" in his/her edit summary (haven't found out the user's gender yet). Personally I don't think that's a good enough reason to revert the changes I made, but instead of getting into a potential and needless edit war with this person I've come here to seek consensus on whether {{Certification}} should be used to illustrate the awards or whether we should just stick to plain text. Davykamanzi → talk • contribs • alter ego 16:53, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

• Hi Davykamanzi, I think this change is responsible for the 200+ extra entries that just popped up in Category:Articles with missing files. The file File:Platinum+Gold.png does not exist but is now trying to be used in a long list of articles (list here). There may be other images not available for the new change as well, but I think this looks like the worse contender. So if your going to stay with the new format, can someone create this asap.

• As its a few hours later and I'm now home, I created the file mentioned above. KylieTastic (talk) 20:10, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
• Hi Davykamanzi, I discovered I had an unlucky first random sample, this image is not the main issue. The missing images are because the data is duff! Many have the award as something like "2 x Platinum", rather than have a number field. Others I've found with N/A or - in the award field. So 200+ articles need to be fixed up, or the templates changed (either revert change, or change {{Certification}} to not try to use the name as the default image) KylieTastic (talk) 20:41, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

• As for the change itself, I don't think the images are necessary, and the images aren't great. If kept then maybe all should be updated. However its not really a subject area I'm interested in so I'll leave it up to those who are. KylieTastic (talk) 17:34, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
• I've change {{Certification}} to not produce image errors for duff data (ugly/confusing for the readers) - they now just flag up in the new hidden category Category:Articles with Certification Template Errors that can be fixed as those that care desire. Probably a positive outcome from this change, the incorrect data (or vandalism) is easier to find and fix. Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 21:11, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
• I'm going to have agree with HĐ because I do find them annoying and unnecessary. It's just like how flag icons are not welcomed on infoboxes for biography articles. It's needless distraction to say the least. Plus they don't seem to produce the alt text needed for featured articles (example). Erick (talk) 22:06, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
• They are so unnecessary and even annoying. When I'm editing Bionic (Christina Aguilera album), everything was fine until I noticed the "gold", "platinum" image. Simon (talk) 03:25, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
• Completely unnecessary and undesirable.—Kww(talk) 05:27, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
• What's the need? They don't even look nice and appealing. Nothing a few words can't convey. --WonderBoy1998 (talk) 12:00, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Charts: Proposed inclusion of Beatport, for genre-specific notability guidelines

See discussion here. Semitransgenic _talk. 12:26, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Year in music - what constitutes a "Top Hit"?

There is a section in some of the year articles for "Top Hits" and some of these sections have been tagged for lack of clarity. What would people feel about setting an objective criterion - something like "Must have been in the top 10/top 3" in at least one country's official chart"? Deb (talk) 11:57, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Since they would need sources, yes something to that effect. Perhaps some text explaining the notability of the songs too (i.e: this song was a top ten hit for whatever amount of time). This sounds like it could be a really endless list however. I'm sure someone else could build better criteria than me.Andrzejbanas (talk) 12:10, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

List of songs recorded by...

Are articles like List of songs recorded by AC/DC encouraged? This one is fairly poor, and before I bother to clean it up, I was wondering if this kind of article is acceptable or should instead be deleted. Any thoughts would be welcome. Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:06, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

There have been approximately 200 "Lists of Songs recorded by XXX" created in the past 2 years. The question is whether they add to the discography page (if there is one) and does it add to WP? Firstly it should be noted that "Songs recorded by ..." is not related to a discography, which is about "records released" Recorded songs could and should include, for example, unreleased songs (if verifiable) and other information not usually associated with a discography, i.e. where recorded, written by, first performed, first released, which album and probably more. In the case of AC/DC I suggest (without checking), that this is all more than possible. --Richhoncho (talk) 08:44, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

That's a lot more than I suspected! As it stands the AC/DC page is very limited, but information such as recording location/date, unreleased songs etc – it's all out there and verifiable. I will tackle it in due course. Thanks for your reply :) Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:02, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Help please from a classical music expert about an article at Afc

Hello, could someone who knows their classical music – and/or their music libraries – please take a look at this submission Draft:Répertoire_international_de_la_presse_musicale and give a view. I've now established basic notability from this: International Association of Music Libraries, Archives and Documentation Centres, but the article needs better sources and ideally some guidance from someone who knows their stuff. Any advice about how best to structure the article gratefully received – particularly managing the very long bibliography. Many thanks. Libby norman (talk) 22:54, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Copyright expiry on lyrics

What is the policy regarding using complete song lyrics on articles? Does the copyright entail that you must wait a certain number of years after the composer has died or a number of years after the song was published? If a user could please link me or give a quick answer, I'd really appreciate that. Upjav (talk) 18:49, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Mention of child sexual abuse cases at the Personal relationships of Michael Jackson article

Opinions are needed on the following matter: Talk:Personal relationships of Michael Jackson#Removal of child sexual abuse cases. A WP:Permalink is here. Flyer22 (talk) 17:02, 2 September 2014 (UTC)