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| ::::::Before you accuse (!) anyone of anything, have you considered the possibility you take more time than the average editor from India (where the standards of education are considerably higher than those in, say, the UK) to grasp '''simple''' things like rules and polices which every website has nowadays. If you suspect a "breach" I'm sure you know where to take it to to confirm your bias. FYI what I wrote above is based in part on material in the public domain published in reliable sources, eg. . "''The main source of those problems is not mysterious. The loose collective running the site today, estimated to be 90 percent male, operates a crushing bureaucracy with an often abrasive atmosphere that deters newcomers who might increase participation in Misplaced Pages and broaden its coverage.''", and the misogynist majority here are bent on driving away female experts. '''PS:''' I'm still looking forward to the authentic text from pages 119-123 of Ramchandra Guha's book so that I can scan it for more plagiarism than already exists in the article. ] (]) 15:08, 9 September 2014 (UTC) | ::::::Before you accuse (!) anyone of anything, have you considered the possibility you take more time than the average editor from India (where the standards of education are considerably higher than those in, say, the UK) to grasp '''simple''' things like rules and polices which every website has nowadays. If you suspect a "breach" I'm sure you know where to take it to to confirm your bias. FYI what I wrote above is based in part on material in the public domain published in reliable sources, eg. . "''The main source of those problems is not mysterious. The loose collective running the site today, estimated to be 90 percent male, operates a crushing bureaucracy with an often abrasive atmosphere that deters newcomers who might increase participation in Misplaced Pages and broaden its coverage.''", and the misogynist majority here are bent on driving away female experts. '''PS:''' I'm still looking forward to the authentic text from pages 119-123 of Ramchandra Guha's book so that I can scan it for more plagiarism than already exists in the article. ] (]) 15:08, 9 September 2014 (UTC) | ||
| :::::::So you haven't read ], then? The last thing this project needs is another aggressive contributor in the Indic article sphere. I suggest that you back off with your ludicrous claims of plagiarism, sexism etc right now. Those things may well exist but I am not a party to them and playing the men vs women card will not wash with me. I work with loads of female editors with no problems at all and there is no reason why I cannot work with you (who, until just now, I didn't even realise ''was'' female or identifying as such). - ] (]) 19:52, 9 September 2014 (UTC) | :::::::So you haven't read ], then? The last thing this project needs is another aggressive contributor in the Indic article sphere. I suggest that you back off with your ludicrous claims of plagiarism, sexism etc right now. Those things may well exist but I am not a party to them and playing the men vs women card will not wash with me. I work with loads of female editors with no problems at all and there is no reason why I cannot work with you (who, until just now, I didn't even realise ''was'' female or identifying as such). - ] (]) 19:52, 9 September 2014 (UTC) | ||
| == Disruptive socking == | |||
| Every experienced contributor you have crossed words with (and that is several) seems to be aware that you are not a new user. Combine that with your generally aggressive and disruptive behaviour and I'm beginning to think that I should seek a block of you even though I'm not yet sure who the sockmaster may be. There are exceptional circumstances when someone does get blocked as an obvious sock but in any event that could happen here because you are are also obviously disruptive. I suggest that you slow down a bit, try to collaborate, drop the POV commentaries and anti-British/anti-male agenda etc. You're on borrowed time if you do not: practically every article you have edited falls under the scope of discretionary sanctions, be they the specific caste-related ones or the more general India-Pakistan ones. Administrative action would thus not necessarily need consensus at ] or whatever. | |||
| Please take note of ] and ]. A templated sanctions notification follows for the latter of those and you can assume that the same provisions apply to the former. - ] (]) 19:26, 10 September 2014 (UTC) | |||
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You need to get WP:CONSENSUS at the talk page once you see several editors reverting you. Dougweller (talk) 13:00, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
- I still say you need to take it to the talk page. Please. Dougweller (talk) 15:31, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
- I am sure Misplaced Pages has many competent editors who can edit in a neutral and unbiased manner on India related topics. Unlike you I don't have time to sit 24x7 on Misplaced Pages and fight all day long. So thanks but no thanks. Lindashiers (talk) 15:49, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
- It is very simple. This is Misplaced Pages and Misplaced Pages operates on the basis of consensus, as linked by Dougweller above. It is entirely possible that what the Misplaced Pages community decides does not conform to "truth" as some people think it to be but, regardless, the rules here apply. There is no need to watch over things 24/7 but there is a need to abide by the policies and guidelines that have been established by the Misplaced Pages project over many years. If you happen to disagree with this then your options are (a) try to change the policies etc or (b) publish what you think to be a correct version elsewhere on the web or in print. It really is that simple, sorry: you accept the principle of consensus or you go elsewhere. If you think that the interpretation of consensus itself is wrong then there is always dispute resolution - a range of possibilities for challenging someone's interpretation by appealing to a wider group pf Wikipedians. - Sitush (talk) 00:02, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
- Consensus is only one of Misplaced Pages's core policies, albeit an important one. I have clearly explained WHY consensus is not required in the present case - it is a simple behavioral misunderstanding which is already resolved. Apparently some of the regular "vigilante" (and subject-incompetent) editors at Misplaced Pages appear to be in the habit of driving away competent editors who have expert knowledge of the subject and are "content creators" rather than plagiarist hacks. If you don't know even the ABC of the subject please don't edit the article or interfere with those who do. I hope this is simple enough for you to absorb. Lindashiers (talk) 16:49, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
- You are quite obviously not a new user. Please can you familiarise yourself with WP:SOCK, just in case there is a breach going on here. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 08:12, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
- Before you accuse (!) anyone of anything, have you considered the possibility you take more time than the average editor from India (where the standards of education are considerably higher than those in, say, the UK) to grasp simple things like rules and polices which every website has nowadays. If you suspect a "breach" I'm sure you know where to take it to to confirm your bias. FYI what I wrote above is based in part on material in the public domain published in reliable sources, eg. . "The main source of those problems is not mysterious. The loose collective running the site today, estimated to be 90 percent male, operates a crushing bureaucracy with an often abrasive atmosphere that deters newcomers who might increase participation in Misplaced Pages and broaden its coverage.", and the misogynist majority here are bent on driving away female experts. PS: I'm still looking forward to the authentic text from pages 119-123 of Ramchandra Guha's book so that I can scan it for more plagiarism than already exists in the article. Lindashiers (talk) 15:08, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
- So you haven't read WP:SOCK, then? The last thing this project needs is another aggressive contributor in the Indic article sphere. I suggest that you back off with your ludicrous claims of plagiarism, sexism etc right now. Those things may well exist but I am not a party to them and playing the men vs women card will not wash with me. I work with loads of female editors with no problems at all and there is no reason why I cannot work with you (who, until just now, I didn't even realise was female or identifying as such). - Sitush (talk) 19:52, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
- Before you accuse (!) anyone of anything, have you considered the possibility you take more time than the average editor from India (where the standards of education are considerably higher than those in, say, the UK) to grasp simple things like rules and polices which every website has nowadays. If you suspect a "breach" I'm sure you know where to take it to to confirm your bias. FYI what I wrote above is based in part on material in the public domain published in reliable sources, eg. . "The main source of those problems is not mysterious. The loose collective running the site today, estimated to be 90 percent male, operates a crushing bureaucracy with an often abrasive atmosphere that deters newcomers who might increase participation in Misplaced Pages and broaden its coverage.", and the misogynist majority here are bent on driving away female experts. PS: I'm still looking forward to the authentic text from pages 119-123 of Ramchandra Guha's book so that I can scan it for more plagiarism than already exists in the article. Lindashiers (talk) 15:08, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
- You are quite obviously not a new user. Please can you familiarise yourself with WP:SOCK, just in case there is a breach going on here. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 08:12, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
- Consensus is only one of Misplaced Pages's core policies, albeit an important one. I have clearly explained WHY consensus is not required in the present case - it is a simple behavioral misunderstanding which is already resolved. Apparently some of the regular "vigilante" (and subject-incompetent) editors at Misplaced Pages appear to be in the habit of driving away competent editors who have expert knowledge of the subject and are "content creators" rather than plagiarist hacks. If you don't know even the ABC of the subject please don't edit the article or interfere with those who do. I hope this is simple enough for you to absorb. Lindashiers (talk) 16:49, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
- It is very simple. This is Misplaced Pages and Misplaced Pages operates on the basis of consensus, as linked by Dougweller above. It is entirely possible that what the Misplaced Pages community decides does not conform to "truth" as some people think it to be but, regardless, the rules here apply. There is no need to watch over things 24/7 but there is a need to abide by the policies and guidelines that have been established by the Misplaced Pages project over many years. If you happen to disagree with this then your options are (a) try to change the policies etc or (b) publish what you think to be a correct version elsewhere on the web or in print. It really is that simple, sorry: you accept the principle of consensus or you go elsewhere. If you think that the interpretation of consensus itself is wrong then there is always dispute resolution - a range of possibilities for challenging someone's interpretation by appealing to a wider group pf Wikipedians. - Sitush (talk) 00:02, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
- I am sure Misplaced Pages has many competent editors who can edit in a neutral and unbiased manner on India related topics. Unlike you I don't have time to sit 24x7 on Misplaced Pages and fight all day long. So thanks but no thanks. Lindashiers (talk) 15:49, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
Disruptive socking
Every experienced contributor you have crossed words with (and that is several) seems to be aware that you are not a new user. Combine that with your generally aggressive and disruptive behaviour and I'm beginning to think that I should seek a block of you even though I'm not yet sure who the sockmaster may be. There are exceptional circumstances when someone does get blocked as an obvious sock but in any event that could happen here because you are are also obviously disruptive. I suggest that you slow down a bit, try to collaborate, drop the POV commentaries and anti-British/anti-male agenda etc. You're on borrowed time if you do not: practically every article you have edited falls under the scope of discretionary sanctions, be they the specific caste-related ones or the more general India-Pakistan ones. Administrative action would thus not necessarily need consensus at WP:ANI or whatever.
Please take note of WP:ARBIPA and WP:GS/Caste. A templated sanctions notification follows for the latter of those and you can assume that the same provisions apply to the former. - Sitush (talk) 19:26, 10 September 2014 (UTC)