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ORIGINAL MESSAGE: Please stop adding inappropriate external links to Misplaced Pages, as you did to Health insurance. It is considered spamming and Misplaced Pages is not a vehicle for advertising or promotion. Because Misplaced Pages uses nofollow tags, additions of links to Misplaced Pages will not alter search engine rankings. If you continue spamming, you may be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. NeilN talk to me 01:16, 1 August 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ash nutty (talk • contribs)

Hello Neil,

I understand that you have reverted my edit. All I wanted to explain is I am NOT promoting my business. Just because the video is created by my company, does not mean that you can consider it spam. I would like to bring to your attention that such information is not available anywhere in the internet it will be useful to wiki User. I would also take this opportunity to point out that the information I have shared on wiki is unique and is not available anywhere in the net.

As far as your message about the links go, I do not want a backlink or SEO value from these information. Let me also explain you that the links were pointing to a YouTube video. This is not leveraging my website in any SEO value. I would request that you read/see/hear the content first and then make a decision whether it is a spam or it is really valuable to the user of wiki. Just because we created it, does not mean we are promoting it. We have never used any promotional language or advertising speech in the video.

Thanks Ash — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ash nutty (talk • contribs) 02:06, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Ash nutty, this is pretty much the definition of WP:LINKSPAM. Please read the conflict of interest info I put on your talk page and refrain from adding links to your business. --NeilN 03:26, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

online ordering system

No links were added to the content, so I do not understand why it is perceived as advertising. — Preceding unsigned comment added by K9kondop (talk • contribs) 16:21, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

@K9kondop: Please find non-commercial sources for the content you want to add and be mindful of copyright infringements like File:Concepts-3.jpg. --NeilN 16:27, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Ok, then why not simply leave the images out. That should solve the problem. Right? — Preceding unsigned comment added by K9kondop (talk • contribs) 16:29, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

@K9kondop: No, please see verifiability. You still need to provide sources for the material. --NeilN 16:32, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Ok, but if I add the reference URLs you will then say that it's a commercial URL and therefore non admissible. So, it's ok, I'll leave it as is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by K9kondop (talk • contribs) 16:35, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

@K9kondop: A source must be independent and have a reputation for fact checking and neutrality (e.g., newspaper, trade magazine). Not a vendor page designed to sell you something. --NeilN 16:41, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Understood. Thanks for clarifying. — Preceding unsigned comment added by K9kondop (talk • contribs) 16:43, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Aam Aadmi Party

Hello I will add reliable sources thankyou — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashish2470 (talk • contribs) 18:19, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for this revert... I must have been drunk when I made that one! Cheers, ƬheStrikeΣagle 14:30, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

3RR in Indian Foreign Service Article

Dear NeilN,

I had reverted back 3 time on aricle 'Indian foreign service' malafied and unresobnable reverts by unregistered user IP 116.74.12.42 . I was not aware of 3RR Rule and more so I was not aware of diluting the quality of article and malafide editing by aforementioned user was already being observed by you and had already been issued warning by administrator. I regret my not keeping with rules. I only wanted to restore quality and integrity of article as all addition were duly referenced from reliable sources and all pictures added were relevant and in public domain.

As far as my 3RR is concerned, I have read carefully rules regarding 3RR and reverted my own latest revert as advised in article. Hope you will consider my mistake and also restore quality of article. Regret and Regards. Writereditor009 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Writereditor009 (talk • contribs)

Hi Writereditor009. You are in no danger of breaking WP:3RR. Consecutive edits count as one revert so feel free to undo the last undo of yourself. --NeilN 15:57, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

So Sad with Misplaced Pages

I am an atheist, but found that Cherub article to be so slanted for Judaism up front, with little info on what a cherub is, exactly. I quoted the Bible with passages as sources; and you deleted my edits as unsourced--despite the Judaic texts in the article taken as word.

If I was a fourth grader trying to find the definition of "Cherub," your page would chap my brain. Misplaced Pages used to be the brand we all trusted--because we thought it was *us*. But now it is impossible to contribute. Your editors are mostly control freaks, the right-wing religious slant is stifling, the pages are filled with self-promoters & vanity press of dime store artists who put their own pages up, and blocks on anyone editing who isn't an insider--you have turned into the information control horror that you started to fight. — Preceding unsigned comment added by OhStop (talk • contribs) 01:04, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

I wonder if there's a better way to cite the bible. Maybe that'd help. - Denimadept (talk) 01:22, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Yep, there's a way. See {{Bibleverse}}. Would that work for you, NeilN?- Denimadept (talk) 01:25, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Denimadept. Although OhStop is blocked for socking, let me answer you. The issue is not citing passages, the issue is providing secondary sources for the interpretations he's adding. This is a prime example: "Gabriel, because he has been involved in major Biblical events, is likely one of the Archangels (though the Bible does not directly say so - see Daniel 8:15 - 16)." There's no cite to biblical scholarship provided to back up that statement. --NeilN 05:31, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I don't exactly specialize in this area. - Denimadept (talk) 05:50, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Pass a Method

Maybe I should just stop reporting him already? Flyer22 (talk) 10:39, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
	Thank you for not only cleaning up breakage on my talk page, but for reaching out to help the fellow who was lost. :) Moonriddengirl 00:09, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

AHMADIYYA MUSLIM JAMAATHU

IT IS NOT A MUSLIM JAMAATHU , BUT IT IS A NON MUSLIM JAMAATHU. KADIYANI IS NOT A MUSLIM , BUT HE WAS A FROAD — Preceding unsigned comment added by SALAMMK (talk • contribs)

@SALAMMK: I can make little sense of this. Please stop typing in ALL CAPS. Your edit removed sourced information and a link to the proper sub-article. If you're saying Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was not a Muslim, Misplaced Pages uses reliable sources, not editors' personal opinions, to determine that. --NeilN 14:19, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

plz c the Misplaced Pages page of the heading Muslim,https://en.wikipedia.org/Muslim.SALAMMK (talk) 14:41, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

@SALAMMK: What about it? If you expand the Denominations section in the Islam infobox you'll see that Ahmadiyya is listed. Note: please don't surround text with {{ }}. Misplaced Pages thinks you're trying to insert a template which is adding to the confusion. I've fixed your posts up above. --NeilN 14:53, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for doing that I was trying to fix other changes that was made to the Roman Empire article. The previous person replaced Roman for Irish and I thought that I would change them. As for the Obama Sr. My son put something wrong on there so I quickly changed it so it would not offend anyone. Thanks for helping me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Josh12357 (talk • contribs) 00:22, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Ahmadiyya Caliphate

Hello

Consider this opening statement of belief: "The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community ... believes that the Ahmadiyya Caliphate ... is the re-establishment of the Rashidun Caliphate ...." This is an opinion altho it may have a reference from one of their own community theology books.

Now consider my edit in terms of the above belief statement of the Ahmadiyya community and the below explanation:

If you believe that the Ahmadiyya Caliphate established (after the passing away of the community's founder Mirza Ghulam Ahmad) is the re-establishment of the Rashidun Caliphate and which belief as you well know is a belief that no Muslim accepts, therefore the researcher/reader on Islamic topics has the right to know why that Ahmadiyya belief (about the re-establishment of the Rashidun Caliphate) is unacceptable to the Muslim majority (assuming that the Ahmadiyya can still be considered a minority Muslim sect in spite of all Muslim sects denying them any Muslim recognition) vis-a-vis the Muslim beliefs as follows:

The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community and their Caliphate are considered heretical by all Muslim groups due to one deep theological difference. The Quran asserts that:

Mohammad is not the father of any of your men but he is the Messenger of God and the Seal (the last and final) of the Prophets. (Quran 33:40)

Prophet Mohammad also had said:

Indeed there shall be thirty imposters in my Ummah, each of them claiming that he is a Prophet. But I am the last of the Prophets. There is no Prophet after me.

It's simply a matter of putting forward both referenced belief i.e. one against another referenced belief. I have no axes to grind against the Ahmadiyya. In fact I think it would have been better for the Ahmadiyya not to have mentioned anything about their Caliphate which makes no sense in Islam because it is against the belief system of a billion plus Muslims as opposed to their estimated 10 million(?) Ahmadiyyas worldwide. How are 10 million excommunicated Muslims going to push thru their candidate for a Muslim Caliph against that of one billion Muslims? Really it is altogether an absurd situation.

Please let me know if you need more explanations. In the meantime I have cancelled your revert.

Please also inform whether you are a Wiki Administrator since you are threatening to block me as if you are one. Salim e-a ebrahim (talk) 07:51, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

@Salim e-a ebrahim: This is classic synthesis which is not allowed here. "Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources.... If one reliable source says A, and another reliable source says B, do not join A and B together to imply a conclusion C that is not mentioned by either of the sources." As to your admin question, looking over your past edits I see that you seem to be fixated if editors are administrators or not. No one has seemed to have told you this explicitly so I will: It does not matter. Admins do not have any special powers to judge content or to hand out warnings. Anyone can do so. If an admin does that, they are acting as a regular editor. Their admin powers are used for performing the actual block, after the editor to be blocked has disregarded enough warnings which, again, can be issued by anyone. --NeilN 08:42, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Please visit the link below which describes the Dispute posted by me: https://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Talk:Caliph — Preceding unsigned comment added by Salim e-a ebrahim (talk • contribs) 18:12, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

References

1. Quran 33:40. English translation by Yusuf Ali.
2. "Chapters On Al-Fitan". Sunnah.com. Retrieved 04 August 2014. {{cite web}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help)
3. Jami at-Tirmidhi 2219 (Vol. 4, Book 7, Hadith 2219)

Rolling Coal

Hello NeilN - I recedntly posted material to the Rolling Coal entry that was deleted by you and tagged as "not relevant". My post had to do with the emissions control performance of equipment disengaged on pickups for the purpose of generating higher emissions. The material comes from a credible and often cited source, the U.S. Envoronmental Protection Agency. I believe my post is both relevant to the subject and credible.

Thenk you,

EpaulF — Preceding unsigned comment added by Epaulf (talk • contribs) 18:39, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

@Epaulf: And none of that is relevant to the topic. It's like adding a section of the properties of modern steel to the Eiffel Tower article. --NeilN 18:54, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Internet TV Inventor

Hi Neil, the article by Bob Metcalfe (the inventor of the Ethernet) was in an InfoWorld article dated 12/18/95 based on an interview with me (John Bentley) while demonstrating the Viewcall STB entitled "Couch Potatoes armed with Viewcall can surf the Web through the tube. It went on to say in a 2 page review that "we are watching our first intervision" as he explained the first internet on TV.There are numerous references to Viewcall on the Net and the later sale of its business to NetChannel an Oracle subsidiary. I invented TV internet well before anyone else and Viewcall was my company. In the light of other claims I simply want to put the record straight for reasons of Internet and TV history. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beekyman (talk • contribs) 16:18, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Beekyman. "we are watching our first intervision" does not mean you invented TV Internet. It simply means it was Metcalfe's first experience with it. Where is the two page review? All I found was Metcalfe's column. Also, please read our conflict of interest guidelines. --NeilN 16:31, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

TV Internet Inventor

There is a Catch 22 in what you are asking. Before my giving the interview for the Metcalfe article no person had claimed they had invented Internet TV, and indeed nor have they now although some writers now attribute it to Microsoft or Oracle. In fact the product had no name other than Viewcall or OnTV as Viewcall later called it, since it had not been invented by anyone else or even thought about. I have other inventions to my name and do not generally boast about them but I am just trying to put the record straight for historic purposes.

Metcalfe is a very well known TV industry figure and himself the industry acknowledged inventor of the Ethernet. His InfoWorld publication was an authoritative industry publication and he was the first knowledgeable journalist in the US to whom I demonstrated the Viewcall STB which was also exhibited at the CES exhibition of that date, and had been demonstrated some months earlier in London.

This seems to me to fit your conditions that an invention must be witnessed by some other recognized person or publication other than the inventor who lays claim to it. The University of Montreal also published a review entitled L'Etat d'Internet in 1999 which described me as follows:" Indeed , although one allots the invention of Internet on Television to a certain John Bentley, a British (sic) who was the first to put on the market of the consoles giving access to the Web by the means of television this one and his company disappeared early from the race because they did not have the funds to compete with WebTV Networks and Microsoft."

Metcalfe gave it the name of "Intervision" and his article makes it clear that what he was watching was in effect the forerunner of what Microsoft later called Web TV and what Oracle called the Network Computer since it was Oracle who purchased the business of Viewcall through their subsidiary NetCannel Inc. There are numerous references to this purchase on the net but they do not say I was the inventor since Oracle liked to lay claim to it as their product, but not that they had invented it. Viewcall America purchased the rights for Viewcall's product from Viewcall Ltd of the UK and acknowledged me as the Founder of both Viewcall Ltd and Viewcall America Inc, both of which companies I was a director. There is no article that says I was the inventor of Internet TV since I did not go looking for kudos, but neither has any other individual laid claim to it, unsurprisingly since they did not invent it. If this means you refuse to recognize any inventor simply because he is modest enough not to have gathered up sufficient evidence to suit you purposes then so be it, but then the truth of the record, which I assume is your purpose on Misplaced Pages, cannot therefore ever be recorded, and so the public are left either in the dark or with a false impression given by those with power and money to suppress the original inventor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beekyman (talk • contribs) 17:29, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

@Beekyman: Misplaced Pages's purpose is not to be the record of truth, but rather to report on what reliable sources say is the truth. This is straight from one of the core policies: "In Misplaced Pages, verifiability means that people reading and editing the encyclopedia can check that the information comes from a reliable source. Misplaced Pages does not publish original research. Its content is determined by previously published information rather than the beliefs or experiences of its editors. Even if you're sure something is true, it must be verifiable before you can add it." Do you have more information about the University of Montreal review? --NeilN 17:47, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Neal. I respect the need Misplaced Pages has to ascertain sufficient independent appraisals. I will contact the University of Montreal to see if they have a web link to their review of the Web industry in 1999, in which the words I quoted to you are contained, and of which I have a physical hard copy. Is a link to the University a necessity or can its review be linked to another web site? It does have the name of the University on the heading, although it is a translation from the original French. If this cannot be found then perhaps the second best way it can be done is to ascribe Viewcall as the company which originated Internet on TV of which there is a fair amount of evidence, and then make it clear I was its founder.

In passing I would remark that as an inventor, as I imagine with most others, the thought of the invention comes into ones head as a vision and so cannot be shared at that moment with anyone, and if it was then that person too could possibly lay claim to it. It is possible the reason why so many inventions are contended. The world tends to understand an inventor as the first person to show an original product in some sort of working order. I did this,both in London and with Bob Metcalfe in the US, but in the name of Viewcall, a company,of which I was the founder and main stockholder. My vision took three years to complete as a product, having the need to raise the necessary funds, to research the available hardware, and to re-engineer it, and to outline the software requirements that would make the net appear acceptable on a TV screen with the novel fractal use of images. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beekyman (talk • contribs) 18:37, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

@Beekyman: Sources do not have to be accessible via the web, they just have to be accessible to the general public (e.g., in a library or archive). In order to use the source on Misplaced Pages enough info needs to be given to identify it (journal title, article title, date, author) and to ascertain what weight to give to it (e.g., a review by an undergrad for the university paper will carry no weight while a published overview in a paper by a professor will carry significant weight). --NeilN 18:47, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your suggestions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beekyman (talk • contribs) 11:44, 8 August 2014 (UTC) Hi Neil. this morning I re-edited the Misplaced Pages Internet TV site as you have previously stipulated with authoritative evidence of references:- a) in InfoWorld Magazine that John Bentley of Viewcall demonstrated the first Internet TV product at Comdex to Bob Metcalfe in December 1995. Metcalfe is a Professor Emeritus and the inventor of the Ethernet whose reputation cannot be disputed. b) that the highly authoritative British Guardian Online newspaper in January 1996 reported Viewcall's world first Internet TV product and that John Bentley was Chairman of Viewcall. c) that the authoritative US BYTE magazine reported Viewcall in April 1996 as having the first Internet TV product d) the press report in April 1997 that NetChannel purchased Viewcall. NetChannel being a subsidiary of Oracle e) the several page interview of Ruel Set Top magazine between its editor and John Bentley entitled "John Bentley Inventor of Internet TV"

Ruel Magazine is now defunct but was a widely read internet TV industry magazine for a decade or more.

By refusing to let this information be published you are suppressing the truth of the invention of Internet TV and giving no contrary evidence. Not least that Viewcall was the first to demonstrate it which is referenced in all of a,b,c,d and e above. secondly that John Bentley was the demonstrator, thirdly that he was Chairman of Viewcall Ltd when its product was demonstrated. fourthly that it became the Network Computer of Oracle, and fourthly as reported in detail in 1999 in Ruel Magazine that John Bentley was the Inventor Of Internet TV, which has never been disputed by any other party. Additionally all of these references can be found on the www.johnbentley.biz web site as I had previously pointed out to you. If you do not respond satisfactorily I will take my case to the owner of Misplaced Pages directly whose object I feel sure was that Misplaced Pages should be an instrument of the truth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beekyman (talk • contribs) 14:04, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

@Beekyman: Please start signing your posts as you were shown to here: User_talk:Beekyman#Your_recent_edits. Also, please add your posts to the correct section - you can read WP:TPG for more info.

I did not revert your latest addition, another editor did likely because the cites were completely incorrectly formatted. Please read Help:Referencing for beginners for help on this. Lastly, the owner of Misplaced Pages is the Wikimedia Foundation, a non-profit organization. Employees of the WMF, acting on behalf of the WMF, cannot dictate article content unless there's some legal issue involved (very rare - I believe there's only one article out of 4+ million under Foundation control). Volunteer editors such as those working on Internet television will always dictate content for the other 4+ million - 1 articles.

Qatar

My edit to the Qatar pages is not just attributable to The Daily Beast. Dozens of web sites and news sources including U.S. intelligence say that major funding to ISIS (IS) is being provided by Qatar. ISIS (IS) is committing atrocities including forced religious conversions, beheadings, genocide and more in its move to form an Islamic Caliphate. Your removal of my edit is tantamount to a cover-up. I don't have a talk page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ozoni11 (talk • contribs) 20:15, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Ozoni11. Your talk page is where I posted my message to you - talk. As to your edit, I didn't say it was unsourced, I said it was non-neutral (see WP:NPOV). "Additionally, Qatar is one of the biggest donors to ISIS (no called IS or Islamic States). IS continues to threaten and kill Christians, other Muslims and those who do not believe in their fanatical brand of Islam." is not encyclopedic language. Also, that is the top-level article of Qatar, we need to be careful that recentism doesn't creep in. I suggest you try to integrate the material within the existing content using neutral terminology. --NeilN 20:27, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

revert

I saw your revert, there seems to be some sock who added it, I was about to revert it myself. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarvajna (talk • contribs)

jehovah witness is not a Christian denomination.

Hi Neil, The entry for Jehovah Witness mistakenly lists this as a Christian denomination. I can edit if you like. But I am new to wikipedia editing aand am not certain how this works. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ccsarchitect (talk • contribs) 01:08, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

@Ccsarchitect: No, please don't change that as you'll quickly be reverted. Misplaced Pages articles are based on reliable sources, not editors' opinions. --NeilN 01:32, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Ayurveda

Dear Neil

I do have a source for that, namely Dr. Yeshi Dhonden, The Ambrosia Heart Tantra, p.5. Library of Tibetan Works and Archives, Dharamsala, 1977. Please tell me how to insert this citation. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.73.130.151 (talk)

Can you please type out the sentences from the book that back up your edit and what qualifications Dhonden has as a historian? Thanks. --NeilN 01:38, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Dear Neil,

The relevant passage reads:

"It was in his manifestation as the Sovereign Healer that Buddha Shakyamuni delivered the following teachings (comprising the Ambrosia Heart Tantra)". ibid.

Dr. Yeshi Dhonden. Yeshi Dhonden's qualifications are impeccable. Among other peerless achievements, he was personal physician to the present Dalai Lama for 20 years.

http://fr.wikipedia.org/Yeshi_Donden

Also see http://yeshidhonden.com/

From the brief biography of Dr. Yeshi Dhonden: Dr. Yeshi Dhonden was born in Lhoka, Tibet on 15th May 1927 to Mr. Tashi Tsering and Mrs. Metok Dolkar. His family comes from the popular medical lineage of Ngok Lotsawa and Ngok Choeku Dorjee. He is very genius that he has finished his medical training at a very tender age of twenty. In 1960 he took up the challenge to found Men Tsee Khang, the Tibetan Medical College and was succeeded.He was both Director and principal until 1979.

Yeshi Dhonden is a Buddhist monk and was Dalai Lama’s personal physician for about twenty years from 1960 to 1980. His primary goal was to prove that these Tibetan formulas were safe and non toxic and have successfully done it. He now uses Tibetan herbal medicines and diet for curing cancer. Since 1967, he has long list of patients seeking his care and help at his clinic in Mcleod Ganj, Dharamsala.

Dr. Yeshi Dhonden is one of the foremost Tibetan doctors of the world. Over the last 50 years, he has successfully treated patients with all kinds of ailments. One of his specialties is cancer. He has treated thousands of cancer patients from all over the world, including women with breast cancer. His treatment basically includes ancient Tibetan herbal therapies. He is a successful doctor in treating diseases such as AIDS and cancer. He even gave life to the patients who are in last stage.

With respect to your question about being a historian, Dr. Yeshi Dhonden is a Tibetan Buddhist medical doctor and monk. The citation does not say anything about historians, it says that the tradition of Tibetan Buddhism, as expressed here by the Dalai Lama's personal physician, states that the Ayurveda text Heart of Amrita (Ambrosia Heart Tantra, Kelsang 1977) was preached by the Buddha, which would place the provenance of the text north India around 500BC - centuries before all the other leading Ayurveda textbooks.

Given Dhonden's clear impetus to promote Buddhism, and lack of qualifications as a historian, I don't think he's an acceptable source for, "The Four Tantras are traditionally held by Tibetan Buddhist lineages to have been preached by Lord Buddha several centuries before the appearance of any other Ayurveda text." --NeilN 03:05, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Do you or do you not agree that the Dalai Lama represents Tibetan Buddhism? Next, the Dalai Lama's personal physician definitely represents Tibetan Buddhism. The view expressed by the Dalai Lama's Tibetan physician is the same view as the Dalai Lama's himself. Contrary to your claim, it is not in the Dalai Lama's interest to undertake mere self-promotion. Due to these facts, it is not incorrect to state that the Tibetan Buddhist tradition holds that the Buddhist Ayurveda treatise, Ambrosia Heart, of the Heart of Amrita, was preached by the Buddha, which places its composition many centuries before any of the later Ayurveda textbooks. The view of Dr. Dhonden is that:

"It was in his manifestation as the Sovereign Healer that Buddha Shakyamuni delivered the following teachings (comprising the Ambrosia Heart Tantra)". ibid.

I still would like a historian's perspective but I've copied our conversation to Talk:Ayurveda#Buddhism_and_Ayurveda to get more input. --NeilN 15:29, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Leave it alone please

I am not harassing anyone. Please review the edits of HelenOnline. She is severely violating WP:OWN in her control of the Oscar Pistorius article, to the detriment of Misplaced Pages. All I am doing is trying to add accurate information. Please do not abuse me any further. Thanks. If you wish to wield your mighty banhammer, consider the one in violation of Misplaced Pages's principles, who is damaging the accuracy of Misplaced Pages ==== HelenOnline. Thanks. 123.2.223.96 (talk) 17:22, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

If you are a moderator, you are a poor excuse for one. Please stay out of things that you aren't bothering to investigate. I am the good guy here. 123.2.223.96 (talk) 17:25, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Continue your harassment of HelenOnline and you can explain yourself at WP:ANI. --NeilN 17:28, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

I am harassing nobody. Check the history. HelenOnline is a major abuser on that article, has added in huge amounts of inaccurate information, controlled the article, and harassed multiple editors. You should be defending me!!!! Let her speak for herself. All I am asking is that she back away from this, to allow level-headed neutral people to edit it, so that her bias isn't there. There is no way that that is anything close to harassment. Your behaviour, on the other hand, is clearly abusive and bullying. Please stop it. 123.2.223.96 (talk) 17:34, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

So ban me, bully. Wield your banhammer for great justice. Get your kicks out of it. And don't bother to check any facts at all. I am sure you feel really good for defending someone who you presume is female. What would happen if Helen was male? Would you still blindly defend someone who was adding in inaccurate information if they were male? What if I was female? You don't know. I could be a supermodel. Anyway, enjoy your power trip. Misplaced Pages is so terrible. Misplaced Pages doesn't care about accurate information. All they care about are people like you on massive power trips. So go ahead, feel good about yourself. It doesn't change the truth at all. Just makes you look bad. 123.2.223.96 (talk) 17:39, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Potential ANI post

123.2.223.96 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · http · block user · block log)

Looking at the BLP notice posted here, I found that the IP added unsourced content which HelenOnline removed. She also removed a copyvio committed by the IP. The IP then made all kinds of accusations here. Despite other editors' support of Helen and a warning to stop, they continued to tell Helen to stop editing the article. , , , , , . --NeilN 18:00, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Oops, too slow. --NeilN 18:03, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

I've blocked the IP for personal attacks and disruptive editing, which includes the BLP issues and the copyvio. Acroterion (talk) 18:05, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Acroterion. It's pretty bad when someone gets attacked for upholding our core policies. --NeilN 18:08, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

• Well, that escalated really fast! Thank you for taking care of it. Oh, you should never be given the mop, since you seem to be getting "massive power trips" by enforcing policies against possible "supermodels". Inexcusable.  NQ  talk 01:12, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you all for your help and sorry Neil got dragged into the nastiness. I was out all day, probably just as well. HelenOnline 08:27, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

@HelenOnline: No need to be sorry. We're supposed to be a community and that should mean editors sticking up for community standards are supported. --NeilN 14:23, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

• Given the subject matter and the articles targeted, this is rather obviously User:Internodeuser aka User:Blissyu2 aka User:Zordrac - Alison 05:46, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Ejaculatory edit

Given the text I added is properly sourced and relevant to the topic section, Volume, why did you revert my additions to the original?

If there is a comment on Hypospermia there should be a comment on Hyperspermia as well as clarification on normal volumes.

I will be adding my edit again but await to hear your reasons with anticipation.--BigBearLovesPanda (talk) 14:00, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi BigBearLovesPanda. It was because this is questionable as a reliable source and it's definitely not a WP:MEDRS. --NeilN 14:07, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick reply. I did have doubts about this but as it had references on the page I thought that may be adequate, much like a university medical text book. I'm sure my Hyperspermia citation is compliant as it is used on the Hyperspermia article page and Flyer22 thinks it probably is a WP:RS. I'll double check and add the reference again if it is compliant. By the way, thanks for the feedback re my references, I'm rather inexperienced at the Wiki editing malarkey and it's 20 years since I wrote my thesis so I'm a bit rusty but I know how important it is so I will hope to do better next time.--BigBearLovesPanda (talk) 17:01, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Indian Foreign Service

I have copy of a letter dated 4 June 1947 which was my source for including the names of the first batch of IFRS officers.

If you had asked me for that source rather than simply removing my post I would have understood.

FYI, the last name on that list was my father!

I do not know who you are or why you have taken upon yourself to be the guardian on the IFS page, I do not care.

If you send me your email I will gladly send you that letter, but only if my edit is added back on.

Regards, Madhav Agate — Preceding unsigned comment added by Agatemike (talk • contribs) 15:02, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Agatemike. Misplaced Pages does not accept private letters as sources. Per WP:SOURCE: 'Source material must have been published, the definition of which for our purposes is "made available to the public in some form"' For letters that could mean a publicly accessible archive or library. --NeilN 15:36, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

I have surrendered - at least let me say goodbye

Your reversion is inappropriate. Let it stay there. She owns the article, with your assistance. Let's leave it at that. Congratulations, by the way, on winning the war of truth, by keeping the article in a false condition so that it can never be returned to a true state. 123.2.223.96 (talk) 01:55, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

--NeilN 02:17, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

I highly disapprove of your actions.

I highly disapprove of your actions. You continue to revert my edits when they are perfectly legitimate, and your blocking threats are unacceptable.

Please reconsider the way you go about these things as it is both rude and inconsiderate. Edfilmsuk (talk) 02:09, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

@Edfilmsuk: I'm sorry you feel that way but as I alluded to on your talk page, verifiability is core policy. You need to provide a proper source that specifically backs up your addition. --NeilN 02:15, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Ashish Nanda

Even though hosted on the Harvard website, isn't his CV a self published source? Section - "Awards and Honours" - faculty profile as sourcing - Reliable? Could you take a look?  NQ  talk 06:13, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi NQ. Yes, it's a WP:BLPSPS. It's probably reliable as lying on a CV hosted by Harvard would get the author torn apart. However that doesn't address the question of WP:UNDUE. Secondary sources are also useful with determining what is important enough to belong in a biography. For example, is "Harvard University Certificate of Distinction for Teaching Undergraduates" really notable? I don't think so but who knows without secondary-source coverage? --NeilN 14:42, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, you're right. Awards and certificates for "developing second year course material" and "for teaching undergraduates" have no place there. I'd recommend scrapping that entire section and maybe include the important honors in the body itself. A quick web search shows only him being mentioned getting the 'Raman Subramanian Prize' and the 'McGillicuddy Doctoral Fellowship'. So probably those awards aren't that significant or to say the least, important enough to include in the biography.  NQ  talk 05:50, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

British Pakistanis

I am surprised to know that you wrote that I am involved in reverts. Please check some one else started it when deliberately my edits are reverted. Regards.--Khalid Mahmood (talk) 14:44, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

@Khalid Mahmood: Yes, your edits are being reverted because your personal pictures of your relative/acquaintance don't belong in articles. --NeilN 14:56, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Ne1N it is not easy task to make some one's picture and post it here. I have posted many celebrities' too and I have to give them guarantee that the pictures will not be misused on Misplaced Pages. Well the picture IS relevant. Did you check in detail who started this business of reverting posts ? --Khalid Mahmood (talk) 18:17, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

@Khalid Mahmood: What does that have to do with you sticking a picture of your relative/acquaintance in an article? Misplaced Pages is not Facebook. There are 1.2 million British Pakistanis. They all can't just add a picture of themselves into the article. And, as you are the one pushing for the addition, it is up to you to get consensus. P.S. I hope you're telling all those celebrities that if their picture is on Misplaced Pages, anyone can do anything they want with it subject to the applicable publicity laws. --NeilN 18:35, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

About your imaginative edits

If you've read my edit summaries, you'd have known that neither reliability or reliability was my problem. It makes it clear to me that you just reverted over and over, without a second thought, since you never addresed my arguments for why I removed that stuff. By the way, the word "lite" means something cheaper than "rock" (in this case), in case you didin't know. -Erik P.S.: Sorry if I sound rambly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.48.229.222 (talk) 18:43, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Erik. Your arguments are based on your opinions. If you want to change genres then you need to provide sources to back up the change. --NeilN 18:47, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Anti-balaka

Do you mind taking a look at this, Talk:Anti-balaka, You have been quite helpful to me and I greatly appreciate it. AcidSnow (talk) 20:24, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Replied here. --NeilN 23:53, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. AcidSnow (talk) 00:22, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Dear NeilN, Raju Suryavamshi and Chandra Vamshi

As Sitush said. --NeilN 22:15, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Dear Neil,

Above proofs are not the unreliable sources, I gave given the sources from Indian archaeology department that has given from the previous temples.

Sitush said about the author for book, but above proofs are not from the book they are the real sources from Indian archaeology from the temples. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.177.150.30 (talk) 20:25, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Dear NeilN, above proofs are from Indian archaeology department which gives raju kings from suryavamshi and chandra vamshi with vedic gotra from seven rishis, they got from inscriptions on temples.

what are your action on the proofs from Indian archaeology reports.

As Sitush said. --NeilN 23:36, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Dear NeilN,

How can Wiki not consider Indian archaeology reports from temples 500 years and 1000 years back. Sitush always blocking to add information to raju wiki. Sitush is not the person to decide.

I request you to go through the reports shared which are published by Indian government from historic temples inscription. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.177.150.30 (talk) 20:22, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

If the inscriptions refer to "gods" as if they were real then they cannot be used as sources for actual history. --NeilN 20:36, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Didier Drogba

Hello!

I hope you can help me. I have an account on Flickr with many photos i shoot.

But i have now found one of my photos on wikipedia without my permission. File:Didier Drogba, ORANGE, Hotel Sofitel, Abidjan-Plateau, Ivory Coast, 11.06.'08 (9994).jpg - Stefan-meisel1 (talk) 09:10, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Hi Stefan-meisel1 You have licensed the image under "Creative Commons Attribution 2.0 Generic (CC BY 2.0)" on your flickr page which states that one is free to: Share — copy and redistribute the material in any medium or format, Adapt — remix, transform, and build upon the material for any purpose, even commercially, provided there is attribution to your work. The image is hosted on Misplaced Pages Commons, where you are listed as the author, in accordance with the license. Please read Commons:Flickr files for more information.  NQ  talk 10:31, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Stefan-meisel1. NQ is correct. You've licensed the photo under CC BY 2.0 and proper attribution is given. --NeilN 13:12, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you

	my first edit
	Thank you for the link and invaluable evaluation of my content. TheLeopardTree (talk) 01:58, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

Gumtree Australia

It is not my personal opinion. It is the truth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tozalak (talk • contribs) 15:50, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

@Tozalak: This is an unsourced rant. --NeilN 15:55, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

• And the user blocked indefinitely per WP:NOTHERE. Neil, do you attract these? Drmies (talk) 16:25, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

@Drmies: 26,000+ articles on my watchlist, sooner or later these types of editors are going to hit on one, prompting a look at all their contribs. In this case it was Liliane Bettencourt, an article mentioned at BLPN. --NeilN 16:47, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

It's my third indef-block from this morning--and they're all cuz of you, pal! Drmies (talk) 17:21, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

@Drmies: Actually I did notice that. I figured you were amusing yourself by reading through this talk page. BTW, if you want one more: I was going to report if they continued (duck sock of and this and this). --NeilN 17:31, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

No, I didn't--I want to go home and eat lunch and read Sensational Religion: Sensory Cultures in Material Practice. Start an SPI, pro forma, to tidy up loose ends--maybe. Drmies (talk) 17:44, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

@Drmies: Will do. After I eat my lunch. I just have to point out the spills for others to mop up :-) --NeilN 17:51, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Done. Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Shashini123. --NeilN 21:17, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Reply to "August 2014" on my talk page. (Caealn)

Thank you, but you don't need to tell me when you revert one of my edits. You are the only user I have seen to do this. Thanks again — Preceding unsigned comment added by Caealn (talk • contribs) 22:21, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

First time I've been asked not to explain a revert :-) I think you'll find as you continue editing here, some users will come to your talk page if they feel a revert should have a better explanation. --NeilN 22:59, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

National Famous Historical and Cultural Cities

see zh:国家历史文化名城 and zh:Category:国家历史文化名城 and . The list was published by the State Council of the People's Republic of China.--Huang Jinghai (talk) 12:51, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

OK.--Huang Jinghai (talk) 12:56, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

@Hwangjinghai: Thanks. I've added the description here. --NeilN 13:15, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you!--Huang Jinghai (talk) 13:17, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Art Theft

Hey wait... Apparently this user is doing a drive-by wherever he can and hoping to sling some mud. Isn't that lovely? Zero Serenity 19:25, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Zero Serenity, I actually looked at the user's history to determine the tone I should take. Oh well. --NeilN 19:57, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Even so it kinda disturbed me that it seemed the same sort of blurb was copypastaed. Zero Serenity 05:31, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Reproductive coercion article

Similar to what I told Bbb23, more eyes are needed on the Reproductive coercion article. This commentary of mine explains what I mean. If you are willing to lend your eyes to the article, it's much appreciated of course. If you'd rather stay away from this matter and simply stick to watching the Domestic violence article out of these two pages, I don't blame you. Flyer22 (talk) 22:42, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Watchlisted. --NeilN 23:24, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Edit on Liancourt Rocks

NealN,

I am a Korean, so I find it hard to keep a neutral point of veiw. However, I am always trying to do so. Your undo of my edits on Liancourt Rocks was fair, I see that now. But as a Korean, I had never heard of the "Sea of Japan" before in my life. I have and had known it as the "East Sea", and it has been like that for years. The first time I saw anything about the "Sea of Japan" was in fact when I saw the article on the Liancourt Rocks.

I feel that the "East Sea" should be incuded on the Liancourt Rocks and any other page that says the Sea of Japan, not only for people like me, but for maintaining a neutral point of veiw on the East Sea and the Sea of Japan.

Marty Jefferesson 12:42, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Bestmj3300. Articles usually don't list alternatives for place names everywhere they're mentioned as this would quickly grow unwieldy. NPOV is satisfied by using the common name. --NeilN 23:29, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Arabs

Dear Neil.

Can you please explain me why did you edit my part about the Berbers in North Africa?

Xxx xbrunette

Hi Xbrunette. Did you read the note I placed on your talk page? Information in articles needs to cited by reliable sources. "In North-Africa does 90% of the Arab population in Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia and Libya have Berber/ Amazigh roots. They only get Arabized some century's ago and keep speaking the Arabic language." indicates what needs references. --NeilN 02:34, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

SergiSmiler

Does there ever come a time that you can block an editor who refuses to cooperate? The language barrier and his lack of cooperation makes it hard for him to be a good editor. I get that his edits are in good faith, but he's been blocked, what? 6 times? And every time he says he's sorry, he won't do it again and then...does it again. Edit wars, disruptively edits, adds non-notable information and then says he doesn't get it why we revert it. Will this go on forever or is there a breaking point? LADY LOTUS • TALK 16:13, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

• WP:COMPETENCE comes to mind. Drmies (talk) 16:18, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Lady Lotus. The breaking point usually comes when the editor appears at WP:ANI. Indefinite WP:CIR blocks are handed down there if a good enough case is made. I've shown SergiSmiler how he can contribute and MirrorFreak has agreed to help but this is really his last chance before an ANI post is made. --NeilN 16:20, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

• Hmm, who wants to wait for that. This was nothing but a time sink--lack of English skills and edit warring. Drmies (talk) 16:21, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

He said that when his edits were deleted he got mad so he began to edit war. He also thinks that users should fix a mistake if it small.Mirror Freak 16:24, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Or an admin takes notice :-) FWIW, I agree with the indef block as his mistakes were by no means "small". --NeilN 16:27, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

You have told Sergi how he can contribute and MirrorFreak has helped but unless I completely read it wrong, Sergi still expects us to correct his mistakes which is totally missing the point. Even with Mirror's help, I just don't see Sergi making the effort to go to the talk page or Mirror's talk page when I have said that to him for MONTHS. It just seems like a vicious circle. LADY LOTUS • TALK 16:28, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

@Lady Lotus: Yup, that's why I think the indef block is needed. If he's still characterizing his mistakes as small then he has no idea how bad they are. --NeilN 16:32, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

As much as I want him to stay, I don't. I tried to tell him that he cant make edits that aren't intelligible but he didn't listen. Hope being a personal translator helped you guys.Mirror Freak 16:31, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes, thank you Mirror, I'm glad someone was able to talk to him in a way he could understand, even if that didn't help. LADY LOTUS • TALK 16:32, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

@MirrorFreak: Yes it did, thanks for your assistance and offers to help. You can lead a horse to water but... --NeilN 16:34, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Well, If you ever need a translator, just let me know.Mirror Freak 16:35, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Just throwing this out there, , he doesn't appear to be any better in his own language either.... So the block is the best thing LADY LOTUS • TALK 17:30, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

inaccurate or inappropriate. How?

Your replied to my talkpage and said Constructive contributions to Misplaced Pages are appreciated, but a recent edit of yours to the page Superpower has an edit summary that appears to be inaccurate or inappropriate. Please use edit summaries that accurately tell other editors what you did, and feel free to use the sandbox for any tests you may want to do. Thank you

Just how is this inaccurate? I provided academic sources.--216.31.10.170 (talk) 18:53, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Your edit summary read, "posted an update on source material". No, what you actually did was revert to a version eight months old. --NeilN 19:42, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Adding Filthy local words to Yuvan Shankar Raja

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Misplaced Pages by adding filthy and abusive words from local language, as you did at Yuvan Shankar Raja, you may be blocked from editing.Wasif (talk) 14:29, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Retaliatory warning for this warning I gave for this edit. Wasif, I strongly suggest you read WP:NOTVAND and read your sources you add carefully. --NeilN 14:51, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Which WP policy asks you to remove the entire info, if one line is not in the source? Seriously a childish play. Please be open minded to remove the particular line which you find it not from source.Also you have deleted the source. What is your intention there? Have to report for vandalism if you are not stoppinh this.Wasif (talk) 15:03, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Wasifwasif. Enough. There's a lot more than "one line". Either quote properly and accurately or desist. --NeilN 15:16, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

I cannot violate WP:3RR as you violate easily. Please discuss in talk page of Yuvan Shankar Raja. Wasif (talk) 15:31, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Wasifwasif As I am removing a made up quote from a BLP, my reverts fall under WP:3RRNO. Do you seriously not see some of the quote you're adding does not exist in the source? --NeilN 15:38, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Syrian Civil War general sanctions

As a result of a community decision, broad editing restrictions apply to all pages broadly related to the Syrian Civil War. These sanctions are described at Talk:Syrian Civil War/General sanctions and a brief summary is included below:

• Sanctions can be used against an editor who repeatedly or seriously fails to adhere to the purpose of Misplaced Pages, satisfy any standard of behavior, or follow any normal editorial process.
• If you inappropriately edit pages relating to this topic, you may be placed under sanctions, which can include blocks, a revert limitation, or a topic or article ban.
• A one revert per twenty-four hours restriction applies to articles broadly related to the Syrian Civil War, with the wording listed here.
• Please familiarise yourself with the full decision at Talk:Syrian Civil War/General sanctions before making any further edits to pages related to the Syrian Civil War.
• Sanctions imposed may be appealed to the imposing administrator or at the appropriate administrators' noticeboard.

This notice is effective only if logged at Talk:Syrian civil war/General sanctions#Log of notifications.

Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 07:44, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Callanecc, you know closes like this just frustrate the hell out of editors who actually follow the editing restrictions, right? --NeilN 08:18, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

I do, and I've been on your side of the desk before but I think this is the best outcome in this case. If they break the restriction again link to this or to the ANEW report and hopefully the reviewing admin will take this chance into account. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 08:20, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

@Callanecc: Will do, thanks. --NeilN 08:23, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Haider

I'd be glad that you'd help me with Haider film's page, later. Arjann (talk) 14:48, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

I'll keep an eye on the article. --NeilN 14:55, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Reverted changes

Hi NeilN, first of all thanks of reviewing my changes on the article Digital marketing. I have to say that I'm new here, not like a user, but a moderator/contributor, so if I made a mistake please sorry. I'd ask to you why you reverted the changes I made, I think the words and link that I added are perfectly fine. Let me know to don't repeat the mistake again.

Thanks Fede1seo (talk) 16:28, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Fede1seo, please see WP:REFSPAM. The cite you added went to a marketing page for a company complete with pop-up chat window. Please use academic or non-commercial sources like newspapers and magazines. --NeilN 16:34, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Oh sorry for the wrong use of linking. I saw it on this article first Inbound marketing so I thought it was ok to use it. Thanks for the advice :) /Fede\ (talk) 16:47, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

@Fede1seo: Thank you for pointing that out. It doesn't belong there either and I've removed it. For an overview on sources, Misplaced Pages:Identifying reliable sources is a good place to start. --NeilN 16:53, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Sources for watches page

Hi Neil

Hope I have not over stepped my boundaries, I have put numerous links and references in to Journey Through Time and also the Electrifying Wristwatches books which both establish the Chrono-Quartz as the first Anologue/ Digital Chronograph wrist watch using LCD technology, please advise if I need to add more, as mentioned I am new to wikipedia and don't want to offend.

I have also added in external links to great sources like Piotr through http://www.crazywatches.pl/omega-1611-chrono-quartz-montreal-albatros-1975

There isn't a great amount written on the CQ, which is IMHO a really important watch and I wanted to try a link it to as many other great wikipedia articles as possible

fully understand if you feel the need to remove my link again, please advise? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Omega-collector (talk • contribs)

Hi Omega-collector. If you look at this edit, you'll see that no references were provided. We need a cite in that article for "the first company to produced a digital analogue chronograph was Omega with the introduction of the Omega Chrono-Quartz." You might want to read Help:Referencing for beginners. --NeilN 21:19, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Neil, I will do it tonight and provide an appropriate referencing link

best wishes Tom — Preceding unsigned comment added by Omega-collector (talk • contribs) 12:19, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Recent edit summary

In regards to your recent edit summary , the 'source' does not indicate anything except give some basic info about the films. I don't see the purpose of it being there. There's already enough sources in the references and EL that tell us all we need to know the films. Can you explain why the links were there? Thanks--Nadirali نادرالی (talk) 21:13, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi Nadirali. There's been a lot of discussion regarding what the films are actually called. Providing sources right beside the names stops these controversies. --NeilN 21:22, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

But that's the thing, the sources don't mention any of that. They just mention the films and discuss what they are about. And they mention the films by their official names, not as their titled on wikipedia. You can check them yourself.--Nadirali نادرالی (talk) 19:41, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

@Nadirali: The sources are for their latest official names. For the article you linked to above the source has "Star Wars: Episode V The Empire Strikes Back" --NeilN 19:50, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

That I know, but the sources don't indicate anywhere that they were "renamed" as the article states. Please also share your comments on the discussion. Thanks--Nadirali نادرالی (talk) 19:55, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Rind Et Al

You claimed my essay has nothing to do with Misplaced Pages. How do you claim that consider the existence of Rind et al controversy. This is the primary reference to my essay.JaysonSunshine (talk) 03:12, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

@JaysonSunshine: I don't care if you based your essay off a Misplaced Pages article. I could write up a 10,000 word treatise on how 9/11 was a conspiracy and claim it was based on 9/11 conspiracy theories. It's still an essay. Find somewhere else to display your English coursework. Pretty poor work to base essays off of Misplaced Pages articles, BTW. --NeilN 05:09, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Note: . Chillum 05:18, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

You said that the alternative to page protection was a block. A block was issued. Page protection was a reasonable option, but not by the involved admin. It was an uninvolved admin who blocked. Enough. Robert McClenon (talk) 14:04, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

@Robert McClenon: Where did I say anything about blocking? And, as per WP:INVOLVED, "In straightforward cases (e.g. blatant vandalism), the community has historically endorsed the obvious action of any administrator – even if involved – on the basis that any reasonable administrator would have probably come to the same conclusion." I'm not sure what your "enough" comment is about. If you don't want people commenting on your "poor judgement" assessment then perhaps don't repeat it? --NeilN 14:14, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

JaysonSunshine (now indefinitely blocked by WP:ArbCom) was another one of those arguing for a Rind angle, I see. Like I stated here, "The editor should have been indefinitely blocked per the WP:Child protect policy alone." Flyer22 (talk) 20:39, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Stated a little more. Flyer22 (talk) 20:46, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Yes, as far as I'm concerned WP:INVOLVED doesn't even rate a mention here, considering the material involved. --NeilN 20:49, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

In response to your thoughts on my correct information regarding Mr. Billy Bob Thornton

Hello Neil N.

Thank you very much for your input, however, I did verify my information through the words of Mr. Billy Bob Thornton himself. After watching the DVD, "Slingblade," there's a mini-documentary about him, his life and career. He gave the correct place of his birth and home, his family, his brother's death, etc. I did not hear this from a 3rd party.

My efforts were to included the correct information after verifying my sources. I did not check to see if you had changed the correct information that I had entered. If so, I'll just put it back. :-)

Thank you. LuVMickeyLuvMickey (talk) 21:27, 28 August 2014 (UTC)Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page).Slingblade DVD

@LuvMickey: There are two cites in the article to published sources saying his birthplace is somewhere else. It would be helpful if you could find a published source that backs up your change. --NeilN 13:46, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

@NeilN: It's really not that serious. I know I'm right and if you ever decided to watch the movie and listen to Mr. Thornton at the end, you'll know also. The man should know where he's born. I didn't know that I would get into a debate with anyone over something so minute as a birthplace. If I had known Misplaced Pages would be like this with self-important people, I would have never signed up. That was my first and last post. I surrender. You should as well. LuvMickey (talk) 02:14, 30 August 2014 (UTC)LuvMickey

Buddha

You claim that it is bad practice to delete other people's writing, and then you did the same to me in the discussion of the Buddha article, by removing a whole section for discussion. You are very disingenuous and a hypocrite. 81.156.243.180 (talk) 01:40, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Actually, it was JimRenge who warned you. And stop using the talk page as a forum. If you wish to improve the article, bring sources to the discussion, not opinions. --NeilN 01:46, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Strange. I don't see other people bringing sources to the discussion and their edits are still there. It seems you and that Jim person have one rule for some and another rule for others. My edits were therefore wrongly and unlawfully deleted and so could be reinstated. 81.156.243.180 (talk) 02:54, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

The other discussions didn't open with, "Would Buddha be considered a good Buddhist by today's standards? After all he left his wife and child. Is this what a Buddhist is suppose to do nowadays?" Talk pages aren't for the idle speculations of editors. --NeilN 04:40, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

So? That's the whole point of a discussion. 81.156.243.180 (talk) 23:46, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Not on Misplaced Pages. You are free to speculate on the nature of x elsewhere. --NeilN 23:49, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Where did I speculate? 81.156.243.180 (talk) 23:35, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

And why did you remove this? --NeilN 23:39, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

By accident, which I, as far as I recall reinstated in follow up edit. 86.180.152.25 (talk) 00:24, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Nope and you're heading for a block. Speculate elsewhere. --NeilN 00:36, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Yep. Not reinstated as you had deleted the whole section. I did not make any speculations; what are you talking about? Are you touchy about someone? 86.180.152.25 (talk) 00:32, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

and by User:Director

Three days only after being on the verge of being blocked, User:Director removed large sourced sections of text in Istrian Exodus without even discussing. He briefly mentioned in the edit summary he would have rolled back forever. So I had no option and filed an ANI for vandalism ]. I hope this does not account for WP:CANVASSING. It is just that it is astronomically difficult to deal with this user. Silvio1973 (talk) 20:39, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Silvio1973, I sympathize but that edit is not vandalism nor does it break WP:3RR. If you expect action to be taken against a long term editor then you need a clear cut case. --NeilN 21:35, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

NeilN, the user keeps reverting on Istrian Exodus my edits saying the sources are not good enough (for Christ's sake I have almost copied verbatim). I have requested a 3O but in the meantime I report the user for 3RR. This user is problematic. --Silvio1973 (talk) 11:35, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Moving Page ganges to Ganga

How can I get consensus on this matter? Prymshbmg (talk) 06:25, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

@Prymshbmg: Read Talk:Ganges/Archive_5#Requested_move_.282011.29. Read Talk:Ganges#Req:_Move_to_Ganga. If you have new arguments please open a formal move discussion. --NeilN 06:29, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for guidance. Prymshbmg (talk) 06:36, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Criticism of Hinduism.

Hello User: NeilN. As far as I know there is no caste system according to profession as mentioned in Vedas and Manumsriti. Secondly don't revert it. I added the sources to various contents. Bladesmulti gave a false impression by mentioning that the article was unsourced. Please check the section Idol worship and caste system. The sources are already given. Moreover I will remove the unsourced content now. Have a good day. Akshatra (talk) 18:23, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

@Akshatra: Your "best" version had uncited passages. At this point, you need to use the talk page to discuss and get consensus for your changes. --NeilN 18:29, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

You can delete it . No Problem to me. But please don't revert the whole content which is also sourced. Thanks. Akshatra (talk) 18:35, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

@Akshatra: At least one of your sources is a random essay. At this point, I'll see if you are reverted again. If you are, and you revert again, it's off to WP:3RRNB. --NeilN 18:38, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

It is very astonishing to note that you are supporting fabricated things. Akshatra (talk) 20:14, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

It is not very astonishing that a new editor is POV-pushing by using unreliable sources and edit warring. --NeilN 20:19, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Reply

NeilN, I have replied on my talk page. Thanks a lot for the advise.--71.110.129.100 (talk) 20:43, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Hong Kong (page)

Hello NeilN, this is Pageswriter. Thank you for pointing out the problem of recentism in my edit. Despite my political views, I aimed to remain as neutral as possible by avoiding opinionated facts and by including views from opposing sides.

Do you think a timeline is a good idea? My intention of adding this was to provide convenience for readers who might have to navigate their way through a long section of 'History'.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Pageswriter (talk • contribs) 01:37 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi Pageswriter. A timeline may be better suited to History of Hong Kong. However, recentism aside, your 2014 text definitely did not read as neutral (e.g., your repeated use of communist and your use of scare quotes) and was unsourced. --NeilN 01:51, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Laverne Cox

I shouldn't have to get consensus on my life. When a transgender person is referred to by our birth name it misgenders us and encourages people who hate trans people to misgender. Having this information on Misplaced Pages encourages hate and affects the quality of my life as a trans person. Can you take it down please? I beg you.

Also Chelsea Manning transitioned publicly and her pre transition name was public knowledge before she transitioned. This is something I have never shared with anyone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lavernecox3000 (talk • contribs)

Replied here. --NeilN 02:13, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Lord Laitinen

I thank you for your advice. You were one of the few people who were respectful in disagreeing with my opinion. I meant nothing negative by the statement you emphasized; it simply meant that if there were consequences for making threats of suicide, then it would dissuade many people from doing so in the future. Again, thank you for being respectful in this situation. Lord Laitinen (talk) 02:23, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Lord Laitinen unfortunately it seems that you have a misguided understanding of a suicidal person's behaviour. If a person threatens suicide and they get help, there's a chance that they might not kill themselves. Blocking someone for threatening suicide serves to decrease the chance of getting help for being suicidal, which then increases the chance of that person dying. The only consequence for threatening suicide should be getting that person help, not trying to dissuade them from speaking out. --Ca2james (talk) 19:10, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Odisha Edit

Neil, this is in reference to your deletion of my adding of pics on the Odisha page. I am reverting back the addition of pics as Odisha has richer cultural history than other states. In architecture, while other Indian states in the north with Nagara style architecture suffered massive iconoclasm, Odisha did not. That is the reason Bhubaneswar, Puri and Konark exhibit remarkably rich examples of architecture representing Odisha's unbroken history. The pics are not at all out of context, as they concern only and only Odisha. They just make the article richer and more beautiful. I have not deleted anything. I do not change the factual lines in any article. I just add more visuals to the cultural and historical sections of some articles. There is no wikipedia rule for deleting that. I ALWAYS make sure, the pics do not exceed the text, which is the rule. In this case however, I will delete one or two pics.

I do not know from where in the world you are. I highly respect your vigilance. I hope you will help me in making wikipedia richer and more visually appealing. Thank You.

I agree we should not sandwich entire articles of images. I always add images to one or two sections. I also will not want to make an entire article full of images.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by PankajSaksena (talk • contribs) 16:52, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

@PankajSaksena: Every single editor on here can probably make the case that the article on my home of "x" needs more pictures because "y". Twelve pictures in one section is not happening. The sandwiching of an entire section is not happening. --NeilN 17:02, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Our guidelines are at Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style/Images. Dougweller (talk) 17:02, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

@Neil. Okay, I will un-sandwich the images and delete a few more, though now they are not 12 as you said. Is there a stipulated amount of images to be included in one section? If you could tell, I will be careful in future.

Moreover, you called one revert as edit war. It is my first and only one, as you just deleted the entire stuff, and even when I reverted, I deleted a few images, complying with your suggestions. I will comply more and do the above needful. I am also an editor, as you are, so calling one revert an edit war with multiple editors is not happening either. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PankajSaksena (talk • contribs) 17:11, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

@PankajSaksena: Initial addition, revert, revert. Twelve images. The amount of images is obviously tied to the length of a section. A one paragraph section shouldn't have five images. Longer sections can have more images, but not so many that they have to appear on both sides. --NeilN 17:19, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Islamic Encyclopedia

@NeilN

About Author:

Syed Iqbal Zaheer, a mechanical engineer by training and profession, is today a well-known researcher and writer on Islam, its culture and civilization. Quite apart from the Tafsir Ishraq al-Ma'ani, the fourteen-volume commentary on the Qur'an, he is also the author of numerous books and booklets on Islam.

Recently, he headed, in his capacity as the Chief Editor, the ambitious 'An Educational Encyclopedia of Islam' project which is a two-volume, 1300 multi- colour page, compendium of knowledge on Islam, its civilization and heritage. The Young Muslim Digest, one of the most authentic periodicals on Islam in English has been edited by him since the last three decades.

Books Published by Syed Iqbal Zaheer

http://www.youngmuslimdigest.com/iqra-publications/

Online version of the recent book "An Educational Encyclopedia of Islam"

http://islamicencyclopedia.org/public/index/topics

The website of Islamic Encyclopedia is actually an online version of the book “An Educational Encyclopedia of Islam”

http://www.edupediaislam.com/ This is an official website where you can find the complete information concerning the book “An Educational Encyclopedia of Islam” and the author “Mr. Syed Iqbal Zaheer”

Further you can also find the mentions of Mr. Syed Iqbal Zaheer in “About Us” page of Islamic Encyclopedia website;

http://islamicencyclopedia.org/public/index/aboutUs

Moreover, here I’m mentioning some of the authenticated profiles of Mr. Syed Iqbal Zaheer for your consideration. Syed Iqbal Zaheer’s author profile on amazon; http://www.amazon.com/Syed-Iqbal-Zaheer/e/B00MXXXZU4

Syed Iqbal Zaheer’s author profile on Good Reads; http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/3515937.Syed_Iqbal_Zaheer

You may also find the work of Mr. Syed Iqbal Zaheer on Misplaced Pages; https://en.wikipedia.org/Tafsir_Ishraq_Al-Ma'ani

You may also find him and about his publication on news;

http://www.milligazette.com/news/2441-educational-encyclopedia-of-islam

Here some books are mentioned written by Mr. Syed Iqbal Zaheer

An Educational Encyclopedia of Islam on Amazon; http://www.amazon.in/An-Educational-Encyclopedia-Islam-Volumes/dp/6039000449/ref=aag_m_pw_dp?ie=UTF8&m=A23ZXOCER9ZMRI

• Book: I Want to Repent, But…, Published 2006 by International Islamic Publishing House (IIPH)

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/16154055-i-want-to-repent-but

• Book: An Educational Encyclopedia of Islam, Published 2010 by Iqra Welfare Trust

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13557128-an-educational-encyclopedia-of-islam

• Book: Fake Pearls, Published 2002 by al-Attique Publishers, Inc.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13557275-fake-pearls

• Book: A Short History of Israel, Published 1993 by Abul-Qasim Publishing House

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/13557282-a-short-history-of-israel

• Book: Tafsir Ishraq al-Ma’ani: Being a Quintessence of Qur'anic Commentaries, Published 2008 by Iqra Publications

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/8132970-tafsir-ishraq-al-ma-ani

http://books.google.com.pk/books?id=uAzYAAAAMAAJ&q=Syed+Iqbal+Zaheer&dq=Syed+Iqbal+Zaheer&hl=en&sa=X&ei=GFMIVO-QMIv-ygPN4ID4AQ&redir_esc=y

• Book: Islam the Religion You Can No Longer Ignore, Publisher: Iqra Publications (2002)

http://www.amazon.com/Islam-Religion-You-Longer-Ignore/dp/B003NAZQCQ/ref=la_B00MXXXZU4_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1409830354&sr=1-1

http://books.google.com.pk/books?id=42A-0u18HuQC&dq=Syed+Iqbal+Zaheer&hl=en&sa=X&ei=GFMIVO-QMIv-ygPN4ID4AQ&redir_esc=y

• Book: The Short History of Israel, Publisher: Abul-Qasim Publishing House (January 1, 2003)

http://www.amazon.com/Short-History-Israel-Iqbal-Zaheer/dp/B0084NDOYY/ref=la_B00MXXXZU4_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1409830354&sr=1-2

Book: A Voice to Hear, Al-Attique Publishers, Incorporated, 01-Jan-2000

http://books.google.com.pk/books?id=tR9CPQAACAAJ&dq=Syed+Iqbal+Zaheer&hl=en&sa=X&ei=GFMIVO-QMIv-ygPN4ID4AQ&redir_esc=y

I hope these references will be enough to be acceptable as a reliable source.

SheikhJunaidAhmed — Preceding undated comment added 07:07, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi SheikhJunaidAhmed. Thanks for this. Are there any academic papers that reference his work? --NeilN 12:50, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

About notability of an individual

The person I am writing about is senior journalist and has worked on many prominent projects with PM of India, Narendra Modi and CM of Gujarat Anandiben Patel. Can you guide me on what should I cite to justify the notability of an individual? How can I cite offline articles? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prafuldaga (talk • contribs) 13:28, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi Prafuldaga. The relevant guideline is WP:BIO. Please also see WP:NOTINHERITED. Working with or writing about famous people does not confer notability. Basically, a person needs to coverage on themselves from independent sources to be considered notable. Please see Help:Referencing_for_beginners#References_not_online for the answer to your cite question. --NeilN 13:38, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

I have added few links as citations for the article I am trying to create in the sandbox at https://en.wikipedia.org/User:Prafuldaga/sandbox. How can I get it peer-reviewed before I submit it as article for main review? Prafuldaga (talk) 07:26, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

@Prafuldaga: You can add the code {{subst:submit}} at the top of the sandbox page. I had a look and in my opinion, the article as it currently stands has little hope of surviving a deletion review. There are no sources provided that have significant coverage of the subject. --NeilN 14:41, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Buddhism

You claimed the edit/ section I created in Talk was disruptive editting and inappropriate discussion. I have looked up both these topics and do not agree with your views. There is nothing in my editting that can be attributed to it being disruptive editting or inappropriate discussion under Wiki policies. You are misusing the terms to remove my edits for reasons unknown. I guess it may be that you hold buddhist beliefs or that you are sympathetic to buddhist authorities, and unable to handle a challenge based on facts. If that is the case, then there is a conflict of interest for you to edit the topic, and you should not edit it. I seek to reinstate the section that you deleted. 86.180.152.25 (talk) 00:20, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

You are free to report me to WP:ANI if you think my behavior is problematic. Just as I will do if you continue to blatantly misrepresent sources. --NeilN 14:32, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

NeilN, are your accusations for real? When and where did I blatantly or unblatantly misrepresent sources? 86.180.152.25 (talk) 00:28, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

The BBC source had nothing about cannabis-growing activities. --NeilN 00:36, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

NeilN, surely if you want to edit or admin to an article, you would do well to know something about the subject. Just Google Vietnamese and cannabis and see the thousands of incidents and references that come up. 86.180.152.25 (talk) 00:12, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

If you want to edit an article, you should read WP:V, WP:RS, and WP:BURDEN. --NeilN 00:15, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Done. I don't see any problem. 86.180.152.25 (talk) 00:17, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

In your careful two minute analysis it's obvious you missed, "All content must be verifiable. The burden to demonstrate verifiability lies with the editor who adds or restores material, and is satisfied by providing a citation to a reliable source that directly supports the contribution." --NeilN 00:20, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Labia majora

You talk about edit warring and said to talk with the editor about it but you did not talk with me until after the page had been locked. Did you not start the edit war by deleting an edit without talking about it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nipplewoman (talk • contribs) 22:19, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

@Nipplewoman: See WP:BRD. You made an edit, you were reverted (by two different editors); now you need to discuss and get consensus for your edit. --NeilN 22:24, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

I came to a consensus with the first editor. Then you decided to cause problems as well because you believe you know more than accredited medical school. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nipplewoman (talk • contribs) 22:28, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

With Flyer22? I very much doubt she would agree with your assessment. --NeilN 22:30, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Did you talk to her? Obviously not because you have your head too far up your ass. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nipplewoman (talk • contribs) 22:45, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

@Nipplewoman: This is what she wrote: "You should take the matter to that article talk page." So, essentially, WP:BRD. --NeilN 22:50, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes, Nipplewoman, I've commented on my talk page about the matter at hand. I have not come to a consensus with you on the matter (also see WP:Consensus), but I am open to hearing what you have to state on it. Flyer22 (talk) 22:59, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

NeilN,

Thank you for archiving my edit. I was reading through the page about the food chain and realized that my information was different to yours. It is possible that I may have gotten the wrong information. Thank you for the help and I will be more careful when editing something next time!

DrSheldonLeeCooper

— Preceding unsigned comment added by DrSheldonLeeCooper (talk • contribs) 18:04, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Foreskin Page Image Reversion

I'm new to wikipedia. Can a page only have a certain number of images? Isn't it better to have more than only a few, for educational purposes? I don't view the image I added to the Foreskin page as redundant. The lead image is not representative of the average foreskin, so I believe it's good to have more images on the page. I'm not trying to argue. Anonymous 001100 (talk) 22:45, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Replied here. --NeilN 22:51, 9 September 2014 (UTC) And every guy thinks his johnny is something special... --NeilN 22:51, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Tropes vs. Women in Video Games

Well I was trying to axe that entire section for being such pointless dribble, but apparently all I did was just revert you. Ooops! Zero Serenity 01:31, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Zero Serenity, no worries. I saw the immediate re-revert and figured it was an accident. --NeilN 01:49, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Reply for your suggestion

Web Design Royale Link is Deleted From Davangere Wiki

Web Design Royale Started it's company basically from Davangere City, and we are the First Firm To Introduce Technology to Davangere so kindly note it's not any advertising, but it's a fact kindly add the link and content back i can provide your reference website created in davangere city. Hotel Pooja International — Preceding unsigned comment added by Praveenbhagawatihubli (talk • contribs) 15:06, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

@Praveenbhagawatihubli: No, this is pure and simple spam. Please stop trying to advertise your company on Misplaced Pages. --NeilN 15:10, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Laverne Cox 2

Hi, I made the edit on the Laverne Cox page and am now responding to your message. I don't need to hide images or things that may offend me, I am not the problem. However I am very well versed in trans issues and I know firsthand that after transition having your birth name known is less then ideal, especially because people often see it as an invitation to use that name in an attempt to humiliate the person. But what do I know, if you really think information from her birth certificate is vital to the point of the page then there is nothing I can do.

Thank you anyway. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.219.33.4 (talk) 00:43, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

edits

hi, I appreciate your concern, regarding this current problem. I never violate 3RR, and also I already wrote on the article talk page, a little while ago. And stated the points and positions. About "synthesis" and unsourced unwarranted POV statements. But again, I will not (and do not) violate 3RR. Regards. Gabby Merger (talk) 18:46, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

I am not a sockpuppet

Hello. Have you seen the long section about how I am a sockpuppet? Is it ok to use your user page to attack editors? I think not, that is why I deleted it. I explained the deletion, in the edit summary, and a message on the users talk page. However, the material has been replaced. What course of action can I take to remove the unsubstantiated, and insulting allegations? Or, alternatively, do you also believe me to be a sockpuppet? Read my articles, and compare them to something by this PassaMethod editor, and see if there's any similarity. Can I see some of his stuff?zzz (talk) 02:38, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

zzz, I do not see you mentioned anywhere. What are you referring to? --NeilN 02:41, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Its the sockpuppet section. Pass a maethod is very specifically me - current editor of Boko Haram (which I wrote),and recreational drugs (which I also wrote). She has been accusing me of this for a while, and I just noticed it there.zzz (talk) 02:45, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Wow, shes listed everything Ive ever done...zzz (talk) 02:47, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

I had a look at his writing, and his grammar is just not good enough. Not even close.zzz (talk) 02:49, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

zzz, She's detailed the habits of Pass a Method. She hasn't mentioned you by name or even linked to any of your edits. --NeilN 02:52, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

I don't understand your point.zzz (talk) 02:57, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

@Signedzzz: There are no accusations against you on Flyer22's page. You have no cause to delete it. --NeilN 03:00, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Everything in this para, except the Erection bit, applies to me.

If you find an editor doing several or more of the following things, that editor is very likely a Pass a Method WP:Sockpuppet: Significantly editing the Boko Haram article and other Islamic articles (I mean any editor who is the current main/continuous editor of the Boko Haram article). Editing religious topics in general, including the addition of anything about Pope Francis (whether it's the Pope Francis article or, for example, an addition to the Recreational drug use article about him). Editing LGBT articles. Editing political articles. Editing sexual articles. Editing medical and/or anatomy articles. Editing science topics such as the Big Bang article, or topics about black holes; the Stellar black hole article, for example, could be a candidate. Visiting the WP:Help desk. Focusing on leads. Focusing on British topics; using British spelling. Using editing summaries that are meant to deceive. Using Urban Dictionary as a source, whether it's at the Erection article, or, for example, the Roach (smoking) article. Adding a picture of someone smoking to their user page or talk page. Makes notes on his user page of the articles he's edited, soon after editing those articles.

I don't understand, what diff does it make about mentioning my name? She has made certain noone can fail to know exactly who I am. zzz (talk) 03:04, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

@Signedzzz: No, until you brought it up, it's very unlikely anyone looking at her user page would think she was referring to you. I edit a lot of pages infested by socks. I'm not going to say, "hey, you're referring to me!" if I see a list of articles on a user page along with the sockmaster who has edited them. --NeilN 03:10, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

I didnt understand that comment. Are you saying , as you appear to be, that you believe I am "the sockmaster"? I asked you that to begin with, and you denied it. If this is just a private joke between you two, I can take my grievance somewhere else. zzz (talk) 03:14, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

zzz, I have no idea if you're a sockpuppet - I haven't looked at your edits that closely. I noticed you wiping out Flyer22's user page repeatedly so I stepped in to stop it. When you said it contained accusations against you I looked and could find nothing on the page pointing towards you. --NeilN 03:20, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

"the current main/continuous editor of the Boko Haram article" etc, etc, etc...zzz (talk) 03:24, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

That is undeniably specific. I couldnt possibly refer to anyone but me, with this account, that is, not any of my illegitimate accounts. I dont understand what the problem is with removing a personal attack.zzz (talk) 03:29, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

@Signedzzz: "I mean any editor who is the current main/continuous editor of the Boko Haram article" If you have concerns with a portion of her user page, the proper course of action is to discuss it with her on her talk page, and not just blank the whole thing repeatedly while issuing a threat. --NeilN 03:32, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Any means me, as you can see from the history of the article.zzz (talk) 03:35, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

But, your saying I should go and discuss whether she might take down the personal attack section of her page. If she feels like it. That's ok, she can just carry on attcking me, I guess. Cheers. zzz (talk) 03:39, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

I am willing to remove the "any main editor" commentary that I very recently added, per my comment on my talk page about this case. Flyer22 (talk) 03:50, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

I understand

Who are u exactly? And why are you editing things on MY page if it's MY page. I completely understand the final warning I was just testing wikipedia this is my first day on this thing. Even if I didn't write what I did how did u find out. And could Kim and kanye find out? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Janaewiki (talk • contribs) 03:42, 15 September 2014 (UTC)