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:Excuse me, but nothing that either I or Goethean has done justifies you in making multiple reverts. Yes, I should have discussed here earlier, but no, that emphatically does not give you the right to make multiple reverts. Clear enough? Continuing your current course will prove untenable. ] (]) 05:19, 19 September 2014 (UTC) |
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Robert Hawkins?
Who is Robert Hawkins? See "Some would say, Nietzsche was very similar to the great and powerful philosopher Mr Robert Hawkins in his theory on Übermensch." at the bottom of the Ubermensch section.
Förster-Nietzsche
"Förster-Nietzsche was married to a prominent German nationalist and antisemite, Bernhard Förster, and reworked Nietzsche's unpublished writings to fit her own ideology, often in ways contrary to Nietzsche's stated opinions"
Isn't this speculation? Is the statement proven or at least commonly accepted? --88.78.55.215 (talk) 16:23, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
I believe it's universally accepted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.20.158.134 (talk) 06:00, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
Emerson
Sorry if this is, er, hugging a dead horse. But there's no mention of Emerson on the entire page! Except the silly "Harold Bloom has often claimed that the essays of Ralph Waldo Emerson had a profound and favourable influence on Nietzsche." Silly because Nietzsche often 'claimed' it, and more, himself. e.g.
Emerson. - Never have I felt so much at home in a book, & in my home, as - I may not praise it, it is too close to me. - Nietzsche, notes
The author who has been richest in ideas in this century so far has been an American (unfortunately made obscure by German philosophy - frosted glass) - Nietzsche, notes
Emerson. - Much more enlightened, adventurous, multifarious, refined than Carlyle; above all, happier...Such a man as instinctively feeds on pure ambrosia & leaves alone the indigestible in things. ...Carlyle, who had a great affection for him, nevertheless said of him: "He does not give us enough to bite on": which may be truly said, but not to the detriment of Emerson. - Emerson possesses that good-natured & quick-witted cheerfulness that discourages all earnestness; he has absolutely no idea how old he is or how young he will be - he could say of himself, in the words of Lope de Vega: "I am my own successor". His spirit is always finding reasons for being contented & even grateful... - Twilight of the Idols, Expeditions of an Untimely Man, 13
He read Emerson from his youth until the end of his working life. Also there are many direct influences; a few major ones that spring to mind: Superman/Overman comes from translation of Emerson's 'Over-soul'. 'Professor(s) of the Joyous Science' occurs several times in Emerson - it's what he was and wanted to be. (Incidentally, why it is STILL being mistranslated as the increasingly archaic/wrong/misleading 'Gay' I have no idea.) 'Thus Spake Zarathustra' comes from 'Thus my Orphic poet sang', the Orphic poet being Zoroaster/Zarathustra. I quote from very near the end of Emerson's first book Nature, which shows plainly enough its huge influence on the style and content of TSZ. Emerson is here 'quoting' the Orphic poet/Z.
" 'The foundations of man are not in matter, but in spirit. But the element of spirit is eternity. To it, therefore, the longest series of events, the oldest chronologies are young and recent. In the cycle of the universal man, from whom the known individuals proceed, centuries are points, and all history is but the epoch of one degradation.
'We distrust and deny inwardly our sympathy with nature. We own and disown our relation to it, by turns. We are, like Nebuchadnezzar, dethroned, bereft of reason, and eating grass like an ox. But who can set limits to the remedial force of spirit?
'A man is a god in ruins. When men are innocent, life shall be longer, and shall pass into the immortal, as gently as we awake from dreams. Now, the world would be insane and rabid, if these disorganizations should last for hundreds of years. It is kept in check by death and infancy. Infancy is the perpetual Messiah, which comes into the arms of fallen men, and pleads with them to return to paradise.
'Man is the dwarf of himself. Once he was permeated and dissolved by spirit. He filled nature with his overflowing currents. Out from him sprang the sun and moon; from man, the sun; from woman, the moon. The laws of his mind, the periods of his actions externized themselves into day and night, into the year and the seasons. But, having made for himself this huge shell, his waters retired; he no longer fills the veins and veinlets; he is shrunk to a drop. He sees, that the structure still fits him, but fits him colossally. Say, rather, once it fitted him, now it corresponds to him from far and on high. He adores timidly his own work. Now is man the follower of the sun, and woman the follower of the moon. Yet sometimes he starts in his slumber, and wonders at himself and his house, and muses strangely at the resemblance betwixt him and it. He perceives that if his law is still paramount, if still he have elemental power, if his word is sterling yet in nature, it is not conscious power, it is not inferior but superior to his will. It is Instinct.' Thus my Orphic poet sang. " — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.20.158.134 (talk) 06:57, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
This essay is crazy!!
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lukacs/works/destruction-reason/ch03.htm
According to Lukacs , Nietzsche was the master ideologue of bourgeois decadence Crazy!! But INTERESTING! Dudanotak (talk) 07:46, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
Problem with users ImprovingWiki and Goethean
Please stop removing links to Nietzschean critique of free will because it is important in his philosophy. Almost every book of him speaks something about the lack of free will. And not necessarily of other loudly announced topics.
Other users are welcome to assist in restoring the section repeatedly until the offending users do not mark concrete sentences or words with "fact" template, which they should do in the beginning. Removal of apparently true content is not the way. Also, it is always possible to try to claim even openly falsely that a source does not say something but something a little else, due to differences in wording or in context etc. (or, alternatively, if bigger parts are quoted, a copyright problem arises).
They ignore both BOLD (which obliges them to discuss here immediately after revert) and Misplaced Pages:Revert only when necessary (which is here false in points 1-2, i.e. vandalism or lack of any improvement in any single part of the edit; and false in 3-4, they depend on my own attitude so I can attest these conditions are not fulfilled either). 89.67.140.182 (talk) 03:13, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
- Excuse me, but nothing that either I or Goethean has done justifies you in making multiple reverts. Yes, I should have discussed here earlier, but no, that emphatically does not give you the right to make multiple reverts. Clear enough? Continuing your current course will prove untenable. ImprovingWiki (talk) 05:19, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
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