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(Odgovaram na engleskom iz pristojnosti prema ostalima ovdje.)

President Josipović at some point called them the Kukulele koalicija in a derogatory manner during a campaign; to the best of my knowledge, the name didn't catch on generally. --Joy (talk) 09:44, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

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Your invitation was most gracious and I humbly accept.

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Reverted your edit at European Parliament election, 2014‎; please don't violate WP:NPA

If you'd like to make the case that the material you excised was a WP:NPOV violation, please feel free to do so on the talk page. Edits with drive-by personal attacks, however, are not welcome. Gabrielthursday (talk) 23:23, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Accusing other users of "trolling" certainly is a personal attack. And you've done that before too: You provided no argument in your edit summary. If you wish to explain your actions, you may do it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:European_Parliament_election,_2014#User_Tuxiver --Jaakko Sivonen (talk) 00:52, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Edit warring

Don't break the three revert rule in the European Parliament election, 2014. Instead use the talk page. --Jaakko Sivonen (talk) 10:57, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

I have now reported you to the Administrators' noticeboard for edit warring and 3RR violation (here). If you keep accusing other users of being vandals for merely disagreeing with you, I will make another report of personal attacks. --Jaakko Sivonen (talk) 11:15, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

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Reported you for personal attacks. --Jaakko Sivonen (talk) 12:40, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Personal attacks

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Popular vote

Where are you getting your information about the popular vote for the EP 2014 article? Almost certainly needs to be footnoted. Gabrielthursday (talk) 17:28, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

I started to calculate on my own, and then found out that someone else has done it. You can see that on the french wikipedia article. For control I calculated the popular vote for EPP an S&D to the end and it matches by number, so that other person has done a good job. Tuvixer (talk) 19:35, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

I think this is helpful information, though perhaps better suited for the election charts than the infobox. Maybe you would like to comment on that. If this is WP:MATH, I think we need to footnote the methodology. Does it count votes for affiliated parties that failed to gain representation? If so, what is the standard for "affiliation", given the oftentimes flexible link between EP party membership and EP group membership? For parties like Romania's PNL that changed affiliation, does it count votes for it as being votes for the EPP or votes for the ALDE (post and pre-election affiliation)? For Fianna Fail, do all its votes count for the ALDE, for the ECR or do Crowley's votes count for the ECR and the rest count for the ALDE? For tranferable-vote jurisdictions, do we count first-preference votes or final-count votes?

Also, if we're going to have this, we do need a count for the EFDD. Thanks, Gabrielthursday (talk) 19:43, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

PNL is counted as EPP, Fianna Fail as ECR. Why should it not be in the infobox? There is a section called popular vote. First-preference votes. Oh, yes right. xD I didnt realise that it isnt counted. I will do it tomorrow. Tuvixer (talk) 22:32, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Well, I suppose the reason why it might not be best in the infobox is because it's sort of a complex thing to figure out, and the methodology could be controverted. That, and we do try to keep the infobox manageable. That said, I have no absolute objection to it being in the infobox, and I certainly won't take it out if you think it belongs there. I seem to recall that it's difficult to put footnotes in the infobox, if not impossible. Perhaps the answer would be to also put the popular vote in a bottom line of the main election results table, and put the footnote explaining the methodology there. Then the infobox information would also be available in the body of the article. Just a thought.

Thanks for looking at the EFDD numbers. I'm glad to see a positive relationship developing between us, given the recent unpleasantness. Gabrielthursday (talk) 20:51, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

do you agree that it is not right to put as leaders of parties for this elections politicians who have been elected to that position after the elections. I am talking about Manfred Weber and Gianni Pittella for example. Do you understand? They become leaders only after the elections. during the elections other politicians were the , in this case Joseph Daul and Martin Schulz. Tuvixer (talk) 21:08, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

I understand your point of view, but would rather not reopen what proved to be an unfortunately unpleasant disagreement. I am glad to work with you on matters such as the popular vote, where we do not have such divergent viewpoints. Best, Gabrielthursday (talk) 21:35, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

I just don't understand why they are presented as leaders whilst they were not leaders of they political groups on the day of elections? I am not saying that there should be images of "Commission President candidates" but of leaders of their respected political groups that held that position on the days of elections and during the campaign. Understand? So Daul and Schultz for EPP and S&D. Tuvixer (talk) 21:43, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Your edit

FYI, saying "I'm a lawyer" is about as strong an argument as saying "I'm a carrot" on Misplaced Pages. As such, it can hardly be used as a statement preceding the phrase "case closed". Take a minute or twenty to consult WP:OWN. Timbouctou (talk) 13:11, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

That is your opinion. There is a simple explanation. A political party can not be a successor (nasjednik), it can only be a legal successor (pravni slijednik). OK? :) Tuvixer (talk) 16:12, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Oh you're a linguist as well? You must have spent a fortune on your education. Then take a minute to ponder about the fact that the (correctly spelled) Croatian word "sljednik" has no equivalent in the English language, and is used exclusively in the legal context anyway. So you are fixing a Croatian legal terminology language problem by editing it in an English language non-legal text (i.e. Misplaced Pages) - where the problem does not exist in the first place. And do re-read WP:OWN once again. Let me paraphrase - I'm a part-time bungee jumping coach, so case closed. Timbouctou (talk) 14:25, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Always hate speech from the right-wing. "Pravni slijednik" translated in English is "legal successor". That is a fact. Tuvixer (talk) 17:41, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

How you manage to believe that correcting your pleonasm is somehow a politically motivated attack is beyond me. See, I don't care what the term is in Croatian. My mom doesn't care what the term is in Croatian. You shouldn't care what the term is in Croatian, because this is the English language Misplaced Pages. In addition, this is Misplaced Pages, a website meant to be read by the general public (i.e. not necessarily lawyers). There's plenty of books and sources you could consult, who describe SDP as "the successor to Croatia's former Communist Party", or "the successor to the defunct SKH" or "the successor of the Croat section of the Yugoslav Communist Party" or "the successor to the Communist Party". Nobody uses the phrase "legal successor" in English unless they need to - and I don't see why they should need to as there are virtually no competing claims to the contrary. (And do brush up on your native tongue spelling - it's "sljednik", without the "i", just like it's "nasljednik" (not "naslijednik") or "isljednik" (not "islijednik").) Timbouctou (talk) 16:47, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

It is used in English. It is a term that should be use in this context. I have explained it before and will not repeat myself. Also in Croatia everybody says that SDP is the legal successor (not only "successor") of SKH. That is also a fact. I don't understand your zeal about this matter. It is simple. Apple is a fruit, Apple is not a vegetable. Like that, SDP is the legal successor of SKH, not a successor. You understand now? :) Tuvixer (talk) 19:10, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Apart from your proclamations, such as "I'm a lawyer, case closed" or "it should be used in this context" (why?), you have offered very little in the way of actual sourcing for this phrase, which - to paraphrase your example - boils down to you insisting on writing that apple is "legally not a vegetable". Until you provide some actual English-language sources, I'm removing it from the article and replacing it with the phrase used by the four sources listed above. Cheers. Timbouctou (talk) 17:16, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Legal successor means that SDP has inherited property owned by SKH, they have changed their name, and turned from communist to social democrat. If it states that they are only a successor it means that they only base their political program, or tend to do that, on one of the SKH, and that actually they have nothing to do with SKH except that. It is like HSS today, how was a complete new party after the introduction of multiparty system in 1989, and not the legal successor of HSS that existed in first half of the 20th century. The leadership of SKH became the leadership of SDP, and members of SKH become members of SDP, property of SKH become the property of SDP,... That means legal succesion. You can see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/Croatian_Peasant_Party HSS was founded first in 1904, and then again in 1989. They are just a successor of HSS from the past. I think you understand now. Tnx. Tuvixer (talk) 19:33, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Yes, so? Your problem is that you see all this in very constrained Croatian media terms. Nobody outside Croatia thinks Social Democratic parties which were formed all over Europe in ex-communist countries still follow the same beliefs (which only makes sense since they are obviously participating in multi-party elections, something unheard of in communist times). But faced with opposition which never misses the opportunity to remind everyone that this is still the same party that used to be communist, SDP and their fans are keen to remind everyone willing to listen that they are successors to communists in the legal sense only. But nobody outside the country cares. Reuters even wrote that Račan had merely renamed the party. And nobody got killed over that, nobody complained that it was unclear, nobody insisted on the use of the adjective "legal" and everyone got the point. Do you get it? Do you get it? Timbouctou (talk) 17:42, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Oh and btw you haven't provided a single English-language source for the phrase "legal successor". Are you going to, any time in the future? Timbouctou (talk) 17:47, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

I see that you are politically motivated. Sad. Please don't bother me anymore. Tuvixer (talk) 17:38, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Please don't insert unreferenced wordings like you did here. Thanks. Timbouctou (talk) 18:25, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

September 2014

In this edit, you appear to have disrupted a contentious discussion with a personal attack on another editor (which is a violation of WP:CIVIL) and an off topic rant (which is a WP:NOTAFORUM violation). The pattern appears to have persisted in the following talk page edits.

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--Joy (talk) 11:09, 25 September 2014 (UTC)