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ANI and AE

HIB, Sandstein says your AE request is incomprehensible, and I agree. If you want to complain about all the stuff you described on ANI, maybe you should write some version of your ANI section on AE? This section. Not just this post by Neotarf that you linked to, because that doesn't say much about what your issue is unless the reader has happened to see the ANI section. Mind you, I don't personally think you have much of a case for either ANI or AE. Nobody's going to take the Tutelary thing seriously, IMO. That said, I do understand how annoying the repeated complaints about your username must be. Neotarf, you should stop dragging that around the boards, it's over. Bishonen | talk 11:35, 26 September 2014 (UTC).

User:Bishonen, I thought it was over too but it's not over ]? I also corrected it so it was less confusing if you see this edit ] .Hell in a Bucket (talk) 11:44, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

HIB, I've seen . I wasn't telling you it's over, sorry if that was unclear. I was asking Neotarf to back off because the issue of your username is over; it has already been repeatedly discussed and it doesn't look like the community has a problem with it. (If ever there was a real issue with it; I think it's trumped-up, myself. Neotarf, please drop it unless you're prepared to complain that the scary username Bishzilla does something bad to the dinosaur part of your brain.) Bishonen | talk 11:57, 26 September 2014 (UTC).

I thought maybe if I just kept their name out of my mouth they would do the same, thanks Bishonen. I'll let you guys look at my amended filing at AE and let things go from there but I won't be dragging it anywhere else 8) Hell in a Bucket (talk) 12:04, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

Oh hi Bishonen, I see I'm late to the party; I've been off collecting diffs for the arbs. Six hours it took me, including snacks. Now, this swearing business would never have come up if this Mr. Bucket person had kept to editing Pokemon articles, but as you can see he has been tearing through Jimbo's talk page, and a few other places as well. I suppose in Sweden you don't take this business seriously, but where I come from it's fanskap. We usually refer to The Hot Place as --in the north they say "double hockey sticks". Anyhow, the clerks closed down that page already, so at this point it's up to ArbCom. But I see everyone has now run off to yet another forum. You can bet that's not how I'm gonna be spending MY weekend. Skål. —Neotarf (talk) 15:06, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

@Neotarf: Just drop the stick and stop flogging a dead horse. If your beliefs or whatever don't allow you to write HELL then don't, copy and paste instead, the few times there's actually any need for you to enter HiaB's username, as opposed to going looking for a reason to do it. Because this is just silly. Thomas.W 15:21, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

So do you defend this as an adequate explanation of his user name? And while you're at it, take a look at the history for the Banning Policy arbitration case workshop page. I just spend 6 hours finding all the diffs for Mr. Bucket's swear words--just the ones he wrote in the case itself. So much profanity! He types more swear words than a 12-year-old. This isn't just a user name thing, otherwise we could talk about the Panda's user name. Something else is going on here. —Neotarf (talk) 00:51, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Neotarf, I'm surprised you posted this nonsense, after I took the time to explain to you in detail that "Hell in a Bucket" is a ~150 year-old variation of the American idiom Hell in a Handbasket, and predates its use by the Grateful Dead. Based on these facts, why are you persisting in this nonsense? BTW, "hell" doesn't exist, it's a fictional, mythical concept used by religion to control its believers through the threat of a punishment in the afterlife, much like parents control their children by threatening to withhold dessert. It's a bit frightening that in the year 2014, the world is still obsessed with prehistoric memes. Isn't it ironic that the people who believe in the concept of "hell" the most, are actively trying to create it on Earth? I hope this helps. Viriditas (talk) 00:57, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)

Just claim that it's a reference to either Hell, Michigan, or Hell, Norway, which are both small enough to fit in a bucket. Thomas.W 10:47, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Suggestion

Re your recent comment on Wales's talk page -- I suggest ignoring Neotarf re User:NE_Ent/Unilateral_interaction_ban. It's the simplest way to go. No one with any wiki-sense believes anything on a dispute resolute board that's not backed by a diff. Additionally, Misplaced Pages just doesn't do justice (see WP:NOJUSTICE) so trying to get Neotarf in hot water for a single misphrasing isn't going to fly.

Might I also suggest a reply to anyone complaining about your username? Simply say, "The community has endorsed my username, if you have an issue with you're welcome to file a request at WP:RFCN." NE Ent 23:27, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

We've tried that too and it hasn't worked. I understand Neotarf won't be penalized for this, that part I admit. I do think that if they are genuine in their crusade they will see that what they said is imminently offensive according to GLAAD. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 23:38, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

Additionally I sent a private email asking for advise and solutions. I sent this to User:Newyorkbrad and was ignored so I took it to a place where people can comment.

"I'm curious to know how this isn't a useful question. I've been and have continued to be accused of mysogny and things that are demeaning to other editors and it's no where near as insulting as telling someone who is transgender they are only claiming to be a woman. If Tarc is being admonished for offensive behavior for similar comments that seems to be a double-standard. Seriously I mean this legitimately to understand where I am wrong, I'm not trying to hang myself but simply letting people paint an incorrect picture of me makes me feel like I should defend myself because someone else is doing the hanging and in a half-cocked manner. I would appreciate any advice how to extricate myself from this shit, I've disengaged with the others but these accusation about me are extremely personal and in ways that are offensive because my flaws aside I don't discriminate against woman and any of the other groups mentioned. I am only asking here because honestly I really can't deal with the whole choir that clouds what is said and how and could use a calm response." Hell in a Bucket (talk) 23:47, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

HIAB, New York Brad is not going to answer your emails because he is an arbitrator and you currently have a case in front of the arbitration committee. If he answers you, he will have to recuse himself from the case. You are getting way too excited, this is not that important. Why don't you check your mail. —Neotarf (talk) 01:04, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

That was interesting. I had heard various rumblings about that site in different comments recently but I never bothered to really look at it. I don't think I will registering there anytime soon (i'm sure there are plenty of folks will be happy on that score) I think I'll just keep my wiki stuff here. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 01:42, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

• @HiaB: There is nothing wrong with your user name and you should take NE Ent's above advice. You are letting a severely misguided editor get under your skin when all you have to do is shut up and let them dig their own hole. Arbs are not as dumb as you appear to think—they do not need the obvious spelled out, and they are quite capable of working out who is causing disruption and needs to be quietened. Johnuniq (talk) 02:58, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

it bugs me we even need to have an interaction ban but I understand your point, i just hate to think that in the cacophony what actually happened and context is important. I hope it's not missed. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 03:08, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

There's nothing wrong with your user name

Please contact me if anyone claims there is a problem. "Hell in a Bucket" is a ~150 year-old variation of the American idiom "To hell in a handbasket". It doesn't matter if the Grateful Dead used it or not. Anyone who claims there is a problem, has a problem. Viriditas (talk) 01:12, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Neotarf

User:Neotarf, I am responding to your email here, sorry with all this fun stuff going on and seeing how crazy people actually get over this site I don't know if I ever want to email with people on this site ever again! The blog itself was quite disturbing, if even half of the allegations are correct it's defintely something I wouldn't have imagined. I grew up with respect shown to women or at least I was never exposed to violence or emotional abuse towards women either thank god. If those things are really happening I can certainly understand why women are upset. Honestly when I thought about it I thought society had gotten past that troublesome view and things were improving. I still think you are clouding the issue though. I am not the poster boy of misogny, racism or anything even close. The closest things to that is stubborn, not politically correct and at times confrontationaly defensive. There was a reason when I posted the comment the way I did. words only have the power you give them. I attempted several times to explain in varying ways that I knew it wouldn't be totally understood but it was an attempt for people to see past the words. Words are only words, I wanted to show people that if you focus on words you miss the message. Some people curse, I do but if you notice for the most part I don't curse at people. I try not to make personal comments like you are dumb or retarded unless I'm making a joke with a friend offline but on wikipedia I try and keep what I say within policies set here. You originally came to my page telling me that my comment was demeaning and offensive to other editors and demanding that I remove the comment. I declined. I offered at one point to allow the comment to be hatted but overall I felt that it was within guidelines of the website. This degenerated partly because of my own stubborness after I got peeved but you've played a role as well. If you notice after you stopped focusing on me it got all quiet which I'm sure you enjoyed as well. I want to go back to the quiet, there is no reason we have to interact anymore, please let this all die down. I made that comment two months ago, I can't remove it and honestly you've posted it around in so many places it wouldn't matter if I did. I'm sick of the back and forth and the need to read that I'm a terrible person, my username is the root of that evil or any of the other things you've infered. I know you would be happy to not hear passive aggressive all the time and the community would be less likely to want to strangle us both. Let it go please, enough is enough I can't cgange the past and it's easy enough to ignore me we managed to not run accross each other for the 4 years before this I've been here. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 08:45, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Bucket. Sheesh. What a wall of text that is. Surely you don't expect anyone to read that on a weekend. Do me a favor and go outside. Get some fresh air. Get some exercise. Then look at something about paragraphs. Even if you can't identify main ideas and topics, you should try to break up the text into arbitrary paragraphs so that it looks organized. I will try to make some sense of this after the weekend. —Neotarf (talk) 13:51, 28 September 2014 (UTC)