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Tartan track

Hello - I see you reverted my edit to the above article. I had removed Category:Sports equipment because the article is also in child Category:Artificial turf. If Category:Artificial turf is the correct category for the article, then Category:Sports equipment should be removed. Gjs238 (talk) 17:03, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Actually I did not revert your edit, I left it in tact. I re-added the Sports Equipment category because I felt it was still appropriate, not realizing the child status. The parent/child status game is yet another issue. When I've seen such situations, more often than not, they bury and confuse information.Trackinfo (talk) 18:30, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

I removed the parent cat, then you put it back - but you claim that doesn't constitute reverting my edit. If you're dissatisfied with Misplaced Pages categorization (which is perfectly understandable) then perhaps you should open a policy discussion. Otherwise I am inclined to follow policy and remove the child category IAW policy (not an edit dispute, just following policy.) Gjs238 (talk) 19:08, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Pat Smear

Please read WP:LEDE#Length. For an article of this length, the lede should be 1-2 paragraphs long, not three sentences. It is a fallacy that the lede of an article is meant to do the bare minimum to introduce the subject; it should serve as an acceptable overview of the entire article. Right now roughly 75% of the article has no representation at all in the lede. I'll be re-tagging on my next pass if the lede remains inadequate. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 08:54, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Stephanie Hightower

For this edit , do you mean the Olympic Trials? To me, The sentence implies the Olympic race, especially since it's possible that an alternate could compete there.

Also, I don't see where the ref backups either of these claims "This was possibly the closest elite race in history, the photo of the finish still used for instruction in the use of Photo finish devices". I'm looking at page 207, is that correct? While it certainly says it was close, I don't see where the historical perspective is coming from.

Given that it is such a long document, do you think a page number in the citation would be useful?

Thanks. --Omarcheeseboro (talk) 11:24, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Edit waring

Recently I removed the Thomas template from the George Carlin article. I did so because the template adds a great deal of unneeded information to the biography on Carlin that is potentially confusing to readers. The template is, after all, about Thomas, not about Carlin. There is already mention of Carlin's role in the Thomas TV series in two places in the article, so the Template is simply repeating this, but also adding a great deal of unrelated information. I am going to remove this template once more. If you continue to think that it should be in the article, please discuss it on article talk page rather than edit waring. Thank you. Sunray (talk) 08:06, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Medal templates

Damage? I've been converting {{Infobox runner}} to {{Infobox athlete}} because the former is deprecated; I had nothing to do with that decision. {{Infobox athlete}} has the field medaltemplates hidden by default; this is also not my doing. If you want to display these medals, it's a simple matter of adding | show-medals = yes to the templates. You can easily do this yourself or, if you still want me to help, I can do that. That having been said, none of this constitutes "damage" to the articles or templates. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:45, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Slash

...research before you kill a contribution.

material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately. If users don't add references is not my problem. Tbhotch 00:18, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

RE:

Yeah, I agree. I don't have any against the WP:ATHLETE criterion exactly, but it was just a general frustration I've had. Yeah, maybe I should have posted at WP:PROF, but honestly, I don't want to get into a large debate about particular points. Both criterions seems pretty good, they just don't seem to be applied very well (especially to new articles). Danski14 15:40, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Flagging articles

Hi Trackinfo - an answer awaits you at Misplaced Pages talk:Contributor copyright investigations/Darius Dhlomo/How to help! SFB/talk 22:34, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

CCIs

Hi. I appreciate your willingness to help with the cleanup of Misplaced Pages:Contributor copyright investigations/Darius Dhlomo, but unfortunately only members of the community who have no history of copyright infringement are able to assist with CCIs. To quote from the board " All contributors with no history of copyright problems are welcome to contribute to clean up." I'm afraid that you do have a history of copyright problems, although not an extensive one, with the earliest version of Ventura County Transportation Commission supplied by you deleted as a copyright infringement in September 2008 and more recent issues in 2010 with Andy Bakjian following too closely on , with some verbatim following and some close paraphrasing. Although you might, as you indicate here, "be willing to overlook the tendency toward copyright violations", the community is not. Please do not remove the tags from these articles yourself, but leave their review to those without copyright problems in their history, as the process board directs. --Moonriddengirl 00:02, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Copyright violation

One good reason that you should not participate in clean up, you have again violated our copyright policy. You claim to have rewritten the content at Pat McCormick (diver). Your rewrite included the following:

The accomplishment of her double-double Olympic diving victories has only been matched only by Greg Louganis the men's side. McCormick’s second double victory at Melbourne came only eight months after the birth of her son, Tim. McCormick continued training throughout her pregnancy and swam 800 metres a day until two days before childbirth. Her margin of victory in the 1956 springboard, 142.36 to 125.89 (more than 16 points) for fellow American Jeanne Stunyo, remains the most impressive in the history of Olympic diving.

The source says:

Pat McCormick’s double-double Olympic diving victories have been matched only by Greg Louganis among the men. McCormick’s second double victory at Melbourne came only eight months after the birth of her son. McCormick continued training throughout her pregnancy and swam 800 meters a day until two days before childbirth. Her margin of victory in the 1956 springboard, 142.36 to 125.89 (more than 16 points) for fellow American Jeanne Stunyo, remains the most impressive in the history of Olympic diving.

Other content, too, is duplicated.

Please be careful. Restoring copyright violations to Misplaced Pages carries the same sanction as placing them, and as you were notified by the "how to help page," "If you restore a copyright violation, you will be held responsible for that violation, as if you had written the text yourself." --Moonriddengirl 00:13, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Rewriting involves more than changing words. While facts are not copyrightable, creative elements of presentation - including both structure and language - are. So that it will not constitute a derivative work, this content needs to be rewritten "from scratch". This takes time. The essay Misplaced Pages:Close paraphrasing contains some suggestions for rewriting that may help avoid these issues. The article Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages Signpost/2009-04-13/Dispatches, while about plagiarism rather than copyright concerns, also contains some suggestions for reusing material from sources that may be helpful, beginning under "Avoiding plagiarism". --Moonriddengirl 00:37, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi Trackinfo, just letting you know that I took a look at these contributions too, and although we definitely appreciate your contributions and I can see you're making an effort to avoid copyright infringement, there is still some substantial similarity between the structure of the source and that of your edits that is clearly over the line. For example, the paragraph in which you describe her family is identical in the selection of facts presented and the order in which they are presented as the source material. The standard advice I give to avoid close paraphrasing is: 1. read and understand two or more sources; 2. summarize the topic based on your understanding, without looking at the sources; 3. consult the sources again to double-check your own writing. Let me know if you have any questions or need more help. Dcoetzee 00:58, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Brandon Richards

Please don't lecture me on the proper use of warning tags at Misplaced Pages. I am experienced enough to know their proper use. The tone of your comment is quite condescending and unnecessary. The only reason I have not commented further is because I was called away from the computer as I was addressing the issue. My issue is with the overall tone of the article. It seems to be more of a put-down of Richards for not living up to the legacy of his father. Whether or not he is a failure is not a matter of discussion for a Misplaced Pages article (and frankly, I don't have my own opinion on the matter). Phrases such as "There is an asterisk to Richard's vaulting" tend to impart a point of view about the subject. The same information could be presented without the editorializing. Again, I'm not disputing your opinion, but pointing out that Misplaced Pages's neutral point of view policy dictates that its use is strongly discouraged. Let's see if we can find a less-opinionated way of stating the same facts. - Realkyhick (Talk to me) 07:05, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

Replied there. - EdoDodo 07:24, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Disruptive anon editor on Jerry Brown article.

Hello. Regarding the issues you are having with the anon user, 98.247.157.218 (talk · contribs) in the Jerry Brown article, this user seems to have a political axe to grind, in this case, an anti-Democrat one. In addition to the negative wording the user attempts that article, the user has also made disruptive edits like deleting an entire biography section on the Georgia Democratic gubernatorial candidate Vincent Sheheen. Given the user's Washington D.C. location and relatively subtle spin in the edits to candidates' articles, I have a feeling this is a seasoned political operative of some kind. Anyway, I have warned the user against edit warring and will alert admins if he/she continues to violate 3RR.--Oakshade (talk) 03:16, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Re: Polly Plumer etc

Mmm, makes it hard when different seemingly reliable sources disagree. But I see it's back at Polly Plumer now, so if you're sure that's the correct spelling then I guess everything's ok. Adrian J. Hunter 11:52, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

100 yard dash

I located a reference for my great great grandfather's listing from Sports Illustrated . When I added it, I saw it backed up by several other references in listed in old published works available through Google Books but I was unsure how to cite them.--T1980 (talk) 18:54, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Jon Stewart

I decided to delete my edit solely so that I could avoid dealing with people exactly like you. Did you even read what I wrote? I agree with you that it was probably overly complicated for the intro, but reading the word “although” as dismissive? That the show is “fake news” is not disputed. It's called “fake news” in all the commercials, etc. It is simply a fact, as opposed to a contentious assertion of some kind. The word “although” in that sentence serves the simple, grammatical function of marking contrast between clauses. The critics in question are arguing a point (in the second clause of that sentence) which contrasts with the very understanding of “fake news” (an understanding which is referred to by the first clause of the sentence). Please, go back to primary school.

Next you claim that I “follow up with the critics assertion of what he 'should' do,” which you claim violates NPOV. I'm not sure where to even begin. Even if I had written what you claim, I would have been very definitely adhering to NPOV, as I mentioned both sides of the argument, and in a very neutral form. In reality, though, I didn't even come close to writing what you claim. No argument which I related could even remotely be construed from their original articles or my paraphrasing as asserting what HE “should do”, as you claim. I wrote that the critics in question were arguing for THEIR right to judge Stewart by journalistic standards. Then, in the next sentence, in full marks, NPOV fashion, I made clear Jon Stewart's counterargument on that point so that both sides' arguments would be fairly represented, even though the critics in question are clearly wrongheaded.

The best part is how your ego is so massive that you really couldn't resist messaging me about it, even though I had obviously decided not to include my edit, and therefore nothing you would say on the matter would have any effect on the world, whatsoever. At any rate, I don't engage in wikipedia pissing contests, so write whatever you want, I really don't care. Write that he's actually a zombie-robot if you want, I won't stop you. Don't bother replying to this because even if I read it (which I probably won't) I won't be replying again.WildlifeAnalysis (talk) 23:36, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

List of California schools closed in the 1970s and 1980s

The topic is a good one I think, but the year of closure should be listed. What do you think about adding the year of closure & dropping the "in the 1970s and 1980s" in the title? Lionel (talk) 19:13, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Great idea. We could set this up like a table. However, as I have found, information about defunct schools is not always easy to find. I continue to find out about additional schools to add to the list, but information is sketchy. You know on WP, we strive for accuracy and verifiability. There is also the factor of how to present the case of a few schools that changed names, assuming the name of an older school at the former school's newer location.

• Buchser High School, is now Santa Clara High School--the old downtown location has become Buchser Middle School
• Chester F. Awalt High School became the new location of Mountain View High School.
• Blackford High School is now operating as Boynton High School

Perhaps we can even address the fate of the schools or location. Most have not been torn down, or torn down in their entirety, but have become another school, community center or other public asset. And all these pieces of information should work up and down into the various articles about each.

Most importantly, I'm glad somebody else recognizes the significance of the article and that it is worthy of attention. This was one of my first articles on WP, perhaps I need to go back to look at improving it. I welcome the help. Trackinfo (talk) 19:32, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

I've been cleaning up some Catholic HS articles, and about to move my Mt Carmel into article space. I've been adding to a mini closed list here. Anyway, all of the Cali HS school lists are a total mess! Take a look at this. Perhaps some kind of structure could be developed, based around a table. A comment column could address the fate. Lionel (talk) 19:49, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Masters Athletics World Records

Great work!! I'll control the spelling of Dutch names and places. I forgot my log-in for the english wiki, but I jumped 1.47 in Naaldwijk some weeks ago, you know. 82.215.59.20 (talk) 10:37, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Re: Masters Athletics World Records

I'm not "trashing" your work, simply because your work is already found on the target page, there's no reason for you to create another page with repeated content. Victão Lopes 23:54, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

OK then, go ahead and explain your intentions. I just want to know why do we need that page for just some data if that data is already found at the target page. Victão Lopes 00:02, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Ok, but I didn't understand the "redirect code in each of these lines {{: }}" part. I mean, where is that code, exactly? If you are trying to make more detailed tables, maybe it's better just to rework the main table of results in the target page, because although this encyclopedia is unlimited in terms of space, creating multiple separated pages with little data can confuse readers and make it kind of hard to navigate through articles on that subject. Victão Lopes 00:21, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm starting to get it...but remember that everytime you want to test something regarding to formatting, then you should use the sandbox or create an userpage. I'm afraid I cannot help you with that, since I just copy other's people formattings too. Keep in mind that if the page proves unhopeful to grow beyond that small table, it may be redirected again, if not by me, by another editor that come across the article. Victão Lopes 01:00, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Your contributed article, Hubert Indra M50 World Record Score

If you think that the article you created should remain separate, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag - if no such tag exists then the page is no longer a speedy delete candidate and adding a hangon tag is unnecessary), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the page does get deleted, you can contact one of these administrators to request that they userfy the page or have a copy emailed to you. Additionally if you would like to have someone review articles you create before they go live so they are not nominated for deletion shortly after you post them, allow me to suggest the article creation process and using our search feature to find related information we already have in the encyclopedia. Try not to be discouraged. Misplaced Pages looks forward to your future contributions. Simon-in-sagamihara (talk) 02:04, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Your contributed article, Kip Janvrin M40 World Record Score

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Your contributed article, Gary Miller M50 World Record Score

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How to make a template

click the move button, and rename it to template:Gary Miller M50 World Record Score I am doing this now for some articles. But for your new record pages, create it as Template:Gary Miller M50 World Record Score or whatever. The transclusion works the same and you do not need the word template in the curly brackets. The problem is that they do not make a stand alone article. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 10:40, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi, instead of {{:Phil Shipp M70 World Record Score}} or {{:Template:Phil Shipp M70 World Record Score}} use {{Phil Shipp M70 World Record Score}} Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:57, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi!

Saw your comments at the Youth Olympics AFD, so checked out your userpage. I'm not sure if you're aware, but there's an Unreferenced BLP Rescue WikiProject you might be interested in joining. Cheers! Strange Passerby (talk • c • status) 11:10, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

The Trades, Le Show

If needs be, I'll contact KCRW to verify that The Trades deals w/ the Ad Industry. Is this necessary? Tapered (talk) 02:58, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Do you listen to the show? I know the opening capella classica is Mozart, but don't know the exact piece, so refrained fr/ edit. I've listened to the show for 20 years. The subject of "The Trades" is common knowledge to regular listeners. The Trades = advertising. Tapered (talk) 06:48, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

My bad. Reverted to your edit. Tapered (talk) 07:09, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

No problem. Misplaced Pages seems to have a shortage of athletics enthusiast like yourself. You obviously are doing your part! You know, San Onofre isn't that bad. It takes some getting use to but it grows on you. I've seen worst!Philipmj24 (talk) 22:03, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Mistake (AN/I)

Masters

I don't know if you saw my reply: summary redirect created, you can create them though, without the admin bit.

Couple of things I'm interested in, relating to your work:

1. Why the creation of templates that are only used once?
2. The references you are putting in the templates (at least the one I saw) belong in the article - if you are using a standard set of references this is fairly easy to achieve.
3. I noticed you use "onlyinclude" nothing wrong with that, but it is fairly rare, and IMHO worth avoiding in templates, as it makes them harder for people to understand.
4. I had a look at the website, although it is very slow, it should be possible to script the data import if it is considered reliable.

Rich Farmbrough, 19:30, 21 December 2010 (UTC).

The two articles that house the destinations for these templates are: Masters Athletics World Records and United States records in masters athletics. There is some duplication in some of the data. The templates were the only way I could find to lay out a different set of columnar data (the 5, 7 or 10 columns of results) within another table of different formatted columns (11 columns for World, 10 for USA), without destroying the layout of the original table. In html, it would be equivalent with creating a table with a table-a very common layout technique. In wiki, I haven't found any other means of accomplishing that deed, nobody has suggested one. Originally I created these tables within tables as articles, which is why the original formatting was more detailed information to turn the articles into stand-alones. "Onlyinclude" was necessary to separate data. It still didn't work, as articles these were sent up AfDs and lots of discussion ensued. So people with higher wiki skills than I certainly had an opportunity to see what I was doing and why. They had the opportunity to make suggestions, but other than converting this to template (to avoid AfD issues), no other suggestion was forthcoming. Regarding wiki formatting, if I were to have my way using direct html, I'd force the width of the "athlete" and "birthdate" wider, to make those important elements more readable, and I'd shrink the size of the "references" column, maybe even the "meet" column to compensate (in case you have any suggestions on how to accomplish that).

The references (which do change in some cases, though there is one common source) are specific to that template, not the group of templates or the page. I guess those sources could be put in the references column on the main article, it was easer as I assembled them to place the appropriate reference in the same template as the appropriate data. In mentioning the slow website, I think you are referring to the source that is common to the majority of these templates: Unfortunately that site masks the exact location of its specific data. I'd certainly prefer to direct to the actual source of the data, rather than forcing anybody checking the data to have to call it up (on that slow website) from the generic home page address. I'm not what you consider reliable, or from what perspective. Now typed, this specific data is historical and is highly unlikely to change. If a new record is accomplished, new data will have to be generated to replace this data, but the only changes will be if a correction is needed. As for the reliability OF the information; when I can cross reference it (or even the official data from official sources), certainly I am finding many more errors than I'd like. However, within this niche, this is the best we've got. I am actively pursuing finding additional back up sources for all of this and the new USA page will be announced to the general Masters athletics community in the next couple of days.

It is a perennial problem, duplicating data an be considered a fork, or useful redundancy. Access for editing is also slightly vexed, regardless of the on-wiki methods available currently. Rich Farmbrough, 01:09, 24 December 2010 (UTC).

This sort of thing might help

1. avoid the box in a box
2. allow references to be used better

It can of course be done better.

References

Rgds, Rich Farmbrough, 01:57, 24 December 2010 (UTC).

Thanks!

Redirects

Regarding Lasse Viren 20K and Viren 20K.

You needed to make those into redirects, by putting the code;

#REDIRECT ]

I've done that, now, so they'll now take the reader to the article itself. For example, this edit.

Cheers,  Chzz  ►  20:53, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Re: How did you do that?

Well, I'm glad you were pleasantly surprised... :-) A bit of a coincidence, really: every once in a while I go to Special:NewPages - and this time, the word "athlete" in the article title was magnet for my eyes... GregorB (talk) 19:59, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Moved page

I've moved your new page to USATF Masters Hall of Fame, as that appears to be the name of the subject, and because I think the original name of the page is unhelpful in the encyclopaedia, as it could be in any field. It has automatically created a redirect from the old name. --ColinFine (talk) 08:38, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

Talkback

And one more... – ukexpat (talk) 20:16, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

Well said

Just a note to let you know that I thought your comments at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/David Merkow were on target, and well put. Best.--Epeefleche (talk) 21:50, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

removed dup --Fizbin (talk) 02:01, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

High school national record holder cat

Nice new category - thanks! A couple of considerations:

1. It might be useful to highlight in the name that this is US high schools. If you open it up to other countries you potentially open up a lot of hard-to-verify info. (Not to mention that in many countries - England and Canada for two - high schools have little to do with T&F.)

2. There was a comment when you created the cat that the NFHS generally are the arbiters of US high school records. In fact there are many many issues with the records kept by the NFHS, making them a constant joke amongst high school T&F fans. The primary arbiter for most knowledgeable folks is the mag Track & Field News, and their high school editor Jack Shepard, who publishes an updated record book annually.

edit: and there is no indication that this cat is limited to T&F records. Might want to further define the title. --Fizbin (talk) 02:05, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Trackinfo,

Thanks for the feedback. Question on Cory Schubert. When did she hold a HS record? T&FN has her second all-time in the 3k, :but running it eight years after the current record holder. Maybe one of those NFHS-only records?

http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/index.php/tafn-lists?list_id=34&sex_id=W&yyear=2008

--Fizbin (talk) 23:23, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

Not only are open races out with the NFHS folks (killing Ryun's 3:55 and Webb's 3:53 amongst many, many others), so are the post-season meets (GWI and such in the old days, those and the NON-types now), so Michael Carter's 81' footer doesn't exist. The NFHS stuff is almost useless, in my opinion, other than your idea of using it to justify more articles. (BTW, I believe that Ryun's 3:51 was run while he was at Kansas.)--Fizbin (talk) 00:58, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

The lack of credible info from NFHS and T&FN's inconsistent web-based lists are the reasons I buy Jack Shepard's book every year, and have used it a few times here in Wiki for citations. Reminds me that I need to buy the current version, which hit the shelves a month or so ago.--Fizbin (talk) 01:23, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Gaston Roelants

The birthplace is not supposed to be in the birthdate section. You can move it somewhere else if you think it fits better. Deb (talk) 17:49, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

This is nonsense. I have not edited "a whole bunch" of articles, I have just amended one or two to bring them into line. I see no problem with my edits. And, like I told you before, if you want to put the birthplace somewhere else, feel free. Deb (talk) 19:03, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

It is fine in the birthdate section, and in accord w how other encyclopedias do it as well as logical. There is something illogical to my mind about splitting "was born in" and was born on" into separate sections.--Epeefleche (talk) 20:51, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

You're mistaken. The birthdate section is for birthdates. Adding place of birth and death makes it cumbersome and difficult to follow. Moreover, birthplace is also held in the infobox. Deb (talk) 22:48, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Your comment: "What your edits are doing is creating are sentences like: "McTear was born in Okaloosa County, Florida. He recorded an 9.0 mark in the 100-yard dash as a high schooler at Baker School, in Baker, Florida, . . . " and before I added to it "Raschker was born in Hamburg, Germany. She has amassed 68 Gold Medals at the World Masters Athletics Championships . . . " Essentially you are leading the paragraph with something that is unrelated to the rest of the paragraph. Thats just not good english."

1. I see nothing wrong with the McTear example. To start with his place of birth and continue with his school career seems perfectly logical to me.
2. I agree that there is a lot of biographical information missing from the Raschker article but I don't see how that is my fault.
3. "Thats just not good english" is bad English. Deb (talk) 12:19, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Emil Pawlik M65 Pentathlon

Template:Emil Pawlik M65 Pentathlon has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. — This, that, and the other (talk) 07:17, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Template:Kaija Jortikka W75 Record

A tag has been placed on Template:Kaija Jortikka W75 Record requesting that it be speedily deleted from Misplaced Pages. This has been done under section T3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a deprecated or orphaned template. After seven days, if it is still unused and the speedy deletion tag has not been removed, the template will be deleted.

Thanks. — This, that, and the other (talk) 01:09, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Pat Crandall

Trackinfo,

Yeah, I can see the issues with old folks who keep using the kid's toys. I did note in each article that the 42" hurdles are legit to some extent in masters racing. I would think that we can accommodate events not commonly recognized by teh governing bodies as long as they are using legit senior distances/implements and the meets are legit. As for a cite, I could not fine one for this online but this was a USATF state association champs meet (not masters, so they would have the 110m 42") so there are records somewhere.

And definitely, if you can run the 42" guys at age 55 and above, go for it! The record must be a tad soft because of lack of studly 58 year olds willing to give it a try. Crandall's not bad though. Was a walk-on hurdler at Stanford in the 60s, and never stopped.--Fizbin (talk) 01:36, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

high school attendance cite fpr Henry Thomas

Hi- I'm guessing you have cites for Henry Thomas; can you add one indicating attendance to his 'notable alumni' entry? Thanks. tedder (talk) 19:27, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

I'd prefer to have a centralized discussion, let me know if you need further talkbacks or if you are following my talk page. tedder (talk) 21:17, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

TV.com

Hi, I responded on my talk page. I don't think there is much of an issue here since TV.com isn't a reliable source for information (it's a wiki). IMDB is a different story, since it's not a wiki, and doesn't appear to be under pressure to be removed from Misplaced Pages articles. Thanks! Plastikspork _―Œ 00:43, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

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RfA/MOS/KCOY-TV

I have to admit I am genuinely confused by your comments on my RfA. What do you believe a user should do when they see an incorrectly formatted sentence, or a misspelled word, or what have you? Are they supposed to leave the error but start a talk page discussion about it? If I see a named editor, or a single static IP, repeatedly trying to change something in a way that seems wrong to me, I'll gladly start a discussion about it, but those wikilinks seemed to me to being added by a long term disruptive editor (see User:Anna Frodesiak/Black sandbox) who keeps adding highly dubious unsourced info to the slogan sections of TV station pages; that's why I continued to revert (as I and others are reverting this same editor on an almost daily basis across dozens of TV station pages) without any discussion. If you follow up on the history discussed at that sandbox (and it goes back farther than that, to a few other editors who've since given up), you'll see that that disruptive editor has been active on very many TV station pages, has been warned and/or blocked numerous times, has had over 30 different IP addresses, and has never once used an edit summary or responded to any request for discussion; thus, we have taken the only stance we can, which is simply to revert all of their additions on sight. It's not about "my way or the highway", it's about a group of users (of which I am but one) trying to stop someone who won't listen, who won't discuss, and who is adding information that is dubious at best and completely fabricated at worst. The wikilinking is just a side issue, just something that I've been noticing recently that the same user is also doing, and which I believe is also against the guidelines.

Please know, if you ever have concerns about any edit I make, just tell me. Leave a note on the article's talk page or my user page, or even revert me in an article with an edit summary that briefly explains why you think I'm wrong (all things that the dynamic IP has never done). If I never know that you have a problem, I really don't know what I can do. Qwyrxian (talk) 03:39, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you kindly

NCAA Champions

Hi Trackinfo, hope you are well! I've had the idea to start putting together lists of the NCAA champions in track and field. Given the long history of the competition, I was thinking of dividing it along the lines of event, for example: List of NCAA Champions in the 400 meter dash would contain all the outdoor and indoor Division I 400 m winners (male and female). I'm ignoring the other divisions because that information would be a lot more specialist and frankly not worth the effort from my point of view!

My question is: do you know where I would be able to find historical information on the NCAA championships online? I've only been able to find this year's championships info. Hope you can help! SFB 10:29, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Actually, never mind! I've found an archive of champions here. I'm not sure if you're interested in making any of the NCAA champion lists, but I'll make a start now anyway. SFB 13:29, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

I hope you enjoyed your time at the championships. With so many categories and events, I can understand the amount of time that masters athletics can take up. I wouldn't wish that amount work on anyone and I find the sheer number of events at the regular championships overwhelming anyway! You're entirely right about Misplaced Pages making this information more accessible. From our perspective, it should help us identify NCAA champions easily through the "what links here" button as well. The NCAAs are certainly of much importance beyond just the US: my draft of 400 m list has already shown how true that is!

Some good news is that the guy at HickokSports.com has already put up the NCAA champions information in the same format I am currently doing. There's a very, very good chance I'll be able to write a mini program which could do all the time-consuming list-y bits for us! I'll keep you informed. SFB 18:14, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Bare links

Okay Give me an example of an article that I tagged with {{cleanup-linkrot}} that didn't warrant it. Every one that I've looked at has had one. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:23, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Right You haven't given me an example of a page which I have tagged incorrectly. Never Let Go (live) contains two references--the second is such: <ref>http://www.roadkill.com/Camel/discog.html</ref>. This is a bare URL as a reference, which leads to link rot. Misplaced Pages:Link rot is the guiding how-to page here; if you've not read it, I suggest that you do. Maintenance templates are to be added to pages to improve their quality, not denigrate them. If they aren't added, then the articles aren't added to Category:Misplaced Pages cleanup and it's harder to improve their quality. In fact, this is especially true of obscure articles--they are particularly vulnerable to these sorts of issues and are more likely to be improved by tagging than the heavily-trafficked and heavily-edited articles. Applying maintenance tags is likely to increase the quality of obscure articles and simply posting to talk will be very unlikely to increase the quality of obscure articles. It is important to clearly and concisely identify problems with Misplaced Pages pages to allow other editors to fix them and this must be done in a responsible manner. The nice thing about {{barelinks}} versus, say {{NPOV}} or {{Peacock}} is that the problem is very straightforward to diagnose (just look under "References" and you can see the bare URLs, rather than combing through the text to determine where the POV pushing lies or where vague terminology is applied.) Consequently, it is not necessary to explain yourself on the talk page. Also, there are tools like User:Dispenser/Reflinks that fill in references semi-automatically, which would not be possible with POV disputes. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:57, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Okay I have gone to great lengths to address your every claim--from the mundane and empirical (that I have mis-tagged pages) to the more serious (I have vandalizes articles) to the histrionic (I discredit Misplaced Pages itself.) It's sad to me that it came to posting to AN so quickly, especially since I think that your concerns are based on a fundamental misunderstanding of core content policies and the purpose of my editing. I was willing to take your serious claims seriously and talk them through on our talk pages, but I guess it will have to play out there. Either way, I feel confident that my edits are in the right and will only serve to enhance the quality and credibility of the project. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:00, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

World records in athletics

Hi. Don't know why you changed Mosops record and date. Please look at http://www.iaaf.org/news/newsid=61123.html .Montell 74 (talk) 14:33, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Please have a look at http://www.diamondleague-eugene.com/Live-StartlistsResults/Overview/ and http://www.iaaf.org/competitions/dlm/news/newsid=60218.html. The maine event of Prefontaine Classic took place on June, 4 but Mosops run took place a day before! Apart from that IAAF Statistic Hand Book was published in June. Ratification (IAAF News) from August!Montell 74 (talk) 19:18, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Sogelau Tuvalu

Hi there - judging from the pre-event entry lists, Sogelau Tuvalu was actually entered into the 100 metres. As noted in the qualifying rules, unqualified field event athletes need special dispensation from the technical committee to compete. I presume this caveat was written to allow in top level athletes who haven't achieved the mark within time (through injury, for example), not to permit athletes not capable of competing at that level to compete.

From my point of view, if the IAAF did not permit his entrance as a shot putter, but allowed him to take a spot in the 100m and the Samoa Federation accepted this change, then the federation de facto entered him in that event. Either way, I don't think it's an aspect worth covering too deeply in the article when there is so much more going on in that event. SFB

Camel

Yes, you are completely right; Thank you for informing me. Nima1024 (talk) 09:46, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Cinder track

Please consider WP:LINKSTOAVOID in the future. Linking to discussion forums as you did here and here should be avoided. Thank you. --Fayerman (talk) 01:40, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Some baklava for you!

In response to your edit summary...

on KCOY-TV, it's pretty easy: I'm removing it because neither you nor other editors have ever provided any verification that the information is accurate. My opinion has long been that all of the station slogans should be removed from all articles until they are sourced. This is especially true for all of those alleged "localized" versions, given that me and 4 other editors spent 6 months reverting an IP hopping vandal who just kept adding them over and over and over again (hundreds of times, at least) and never once provided any source. Others have recommended a more temperate approach, so I will take that on this article. I'm going to add an "unreferenced section" template, and a comment on the article's talk page. Anything that isn't verified in a few weeks comes out. If we don't get verification of this info, what stops me from going to some other random TV station article and adding a slogan like "Channel 7, it's bad ass" or "Channel 10, the best news. EVER!" and just insisting its true? This is why one of Misplaced Pages's core policies is WP:V. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:33, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I had to revert. Youtube is almost never a reliable source. But we definitely can't link to it if the uploader isn't the copyright holder, because otherwise there is a possibility that we're engaging in contributory copyright infringement; this is why we're almost never allowed to link to YouTube. Qwyrxian (talk) 12:37, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

New Page Patrol survey

Occupy

Not sure what you see in this reference which makes it say that Van Nuys, California is part of this protest. — Moe ε 22:27, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

My mistake. Copy and paste from another edit. Apparently the link I intended didn't copy and I didn't notice. Adding a new source. Trackinfo (talk) 04:23, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

That's fine, I thought it was strange. I found out about an album I never heard of before though after reading an article looking for signs of Occupy. — Moe ε 04:47, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Oh, and Cedar Falls, Iowa got the same progressiveworld url as Van Nuys if you can help find where you saw that too. — Moe ε 04:48, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Lead section

I noticed you removed the lead too short tag I added to Cathy Freeman. I think you are mistaken. If you read the WP:BCLASS criteria you will notice that a lead section is required. If you read WP:LEAD you will discover that the lead section should be able to stand alone as a concise overview. The lead section needs to summarize the most important points and include key facts. - Shiftchange (talk) 23:35, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

I have expanded the lead section as you suggested. The reason why I prefer to add the lead too short tag is because I am not overly familiar with the subject. It gives a chance for editors who have worked on the article previously to fix it themselves and because generally I do not contribute to biographical articles. However it is sometimes better for an editor who is unfamiliar with the article to expand the lead because of their objectivity, so I went ahead and wrote one. Please tweak it, where you see fit. Maybe you could write a lead for Brisbane River in return. - Shiftchange (talk) 03:14, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Source misrepresentation

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You added it again! Didn't discuss it on talk, didn't mention it in the edit summary, didn't even reply to my comment above -- just like last time. Please stop. WARNING, you're edit-warring and also violating core content policy in the process. Centrify (f / k / a FCAYS) (talk) (contribs) 16:18, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

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U.S. Open Track and Field

Thanks for starting this article. It's a bit sad to see the Millrose Games leave MSG, especially because it has been usurped by another high level meet of a similar type. Hopefully the Millrose Games keeps going and the U.S. Open meet doesn't become another US meet with a constantly changing title sponsor name and no history. SFB 17:53, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Pictures

I see you have added several older pictures to athletics articles, replacing action photos from the World Championships. I am curious where you base your photo judgement. Is there an ongoing discussion or process, or is this just your unilateral decision? Trackinfo (talk) 20:43, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

No, it's just my "unilateral decision" by replacing them with more recent photos. You can undo my changes if you want. Selligpau (talk) 07:47, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

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Steve Williams - athlete

Thanks for your comments on this page.

I am glad I am not the only person to remember Steve.

I came across him first as a teenager when I received as a Christmas present a copy of the Guiness Book of World Records, where he was pictured as the latest claimant to the title of the "world's fastest man". This concept fascinated me and I followed Steve's career as best I could, cheering him on in the 1977 Athletics World Cup for instance.

When I first came across his Misplaced Pages page I could not believe how sparse it was. I felt he deserved better and I could thank him in my own way for that enjoyment by improving it. As a result, I've learnt he was greater athlete and person than I ever realised. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dnd25 (talk • contribs) 15:17, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

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List of world records in masters athletics

Hi Trackinfo. Sorry for that. What about uncommon distances like 1000 or 2000 metres? Are they "unofficial"? Do they have to be a part of the list? I just have the infos about W35 and W40.Montell 74 (talk) 07:49, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Again. I'm very confused about Lev Lobodins M 35 decathlon record (8558 pts). Official Hypo-Meeting Result is 8240 pts (]), so IAAF declared Kip Janvrin with 8241 pts as the record holder, but Decathlon All-Time Ranking is 8574 pts(). The same confusing with M40 Class. Other question: How to add wind marks in Lev Lobodin M35 World Record Score? Thank you.Montell 74 (talk) 11:21, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

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Sara Hall

I'm requesting help regarding the format of an IAAF ID.  I've obviously placed many of them in the past, the one that is on the Sara Hall article seems no different from the others.  Her ID number is 188211.  Finding it manually on IAAF.org it works fine, but when it processes through the WP template and resolves on IAAF as an error.  I can't find documentation on how this kind of template works so I don't now where to fix it. Trackinfo (talk) 17:52, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Here is a link to the template documentation, which shows that occasionally the first letter of the surname is required. I tried this, and it worked. -- Dianna (talk) 18:20, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks for the cleanup

Thanks for catching my mistake at List of world youth bests in athletics. I guess I should have thought of the right way sooner, since my daughter's always complaining about having to compete "up" an age with her late-in-the-year birthday. --LarryJeff (talk) 21:46, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

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Category:Member of American Legislative Exchange Council

Hi, I see you are adding "former" and "current" sortkeys to articles in this category, but I'm afraid that the result is not really clear (unless you click edit in one of those articles and check the actual sortkey, which is not normally visible). Either you should split this category in two subcats, or leave out the sortkeys. It's not really logical to have to look for "Reed Elsevier" under "F" or "Koch Industries" under C... --Guillaume2303 (talk) 06:40, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Hello, I notice that you were adding this category to a variety of Biographies. There is no ref for their membership in the articles. In particular, Tommy Thompson couldn't be a member of ALEC since at least 2000 (when he left as governor) and perhaps 1986 (when he ceased being a legislator). I think it is important that adding such a category to a BLP be verified in each article. Capitalismojo (talk) 10:00, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for responding on my talk page. I am a little confused though. You say that you found the names on the ALEC website. That would make these names Original Research and not suitable for inclusion. Are there RS that could be used instead? ...Also this category should be divided into current members and former members, it is unclear in it's present format.Capitalismojo (talk) 22:58, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Well, that was easy. I found two RS sources, not the ALEC site, with Thompson mentioned. I'll add back the Cat.Capitalismojo (talk) 23:02, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Technical help

 I created the ] which has already come under attack by a POV oriented deletionist.  One of the attacks is based on me trying to get too fancy by sub-categorizing the members, corporate members, former members etc.  Unfortunately this separation is necessary for the proper use of this category.  I use the pipe to separate the sub-category in the articles, but all that does is force the entry into a particular letter and it loses the title of the sub-category that is necessary to explain inclusion.  How do I force the entries into the relevant sub-category, and how do I make that category one level down in the category?  Sorry for the urgent request, but I need to get the faults settled to keep the category above water before they use this as a justification to snuff it out. Trackinfo (talk) 04:17, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

No problem, you just had them backwards. When citing categories & templates without using them, precede it with just a colon(:) ] produces Category:Member of American Legislative Exchange Council. Dru of Id (talk) 06:54, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Now just replace the category on the article pages with the subcategory, and then they'll show up there, instead. Dru of Id (talk) 07:16, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

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My apologies

Hello T. I just wanted to offer apologies if it seems that I was ignoring your concerns when you made your report to ANI yesterday about the IP that was vandalizing various track articles. I was in the middle of doing three other things and didn't take the time to explain things fully. First, it is a good idea to post at least one or two warnings on the talk page of the offending editor. Most admins wont block without any warnings having been issued. I would have used {{subst:uw-unsourced1}} or {{subst:uw-error1}} but there might be others that would work too. I think that you could have reported them to AIV but it wasn't wrong of you to report at ANI. The one thing that can help when you report to ANI is to use this template {{userlinks|IP number or username}} as you can see here 89.241.210.64 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) it brings up all sorts of links so that the admins can check their edits or previous blocks etc more quickly. All though it didn't get to this point the one other thing to be aware of is that blocks are meant to be preventative not punitive. In this case you reported the IP some time after it had stopped editing and most (95% at a guess if not higher) would not have blocked. Finally, I know just how frustrating this kind of low level vandalism can be - in some ways it is worse than an outright vandal who has typed in "poop" or worse. I do a lot of work with films and we had a person who was going in and changing release dates and dollar figures just to mess with the articles. It went on for months and was a real pain. Now I know that you may already be aware of some or all of this but I thought I would pass it on in case any of it helps. To wrap up I want to say thank you for all of your good work here at WikiP and thanks for your vigilance in protecting all of the articles that you have on your watchlist. Cheers and have a nice weekend. MarnetteD | Talk 14:07, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Salt River Project edit placement

Hello - I work at Salt River Project and saw your latest edit to our company’s article. We think it’s valuable to add employee involvement in active organizations, and we'll contribute in developing this idea in the future. In the meantime, would you have any problem if we moved your recent addition of the membership of one employee in an ALEC committee to the bottom of our page (similar to the placement of your edit on the Peabody Energy article)? We think this would give the information a more appropriate, hierarchical order. AdamatSRP (talk) 20:07, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

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WP Athletics in the Signpost

The WikiProject Report would like to focus on WikiProject Athletics for a Signpost article scheduled to coincide with this summer's European Athletics Championships. The article about WikiProject Athletics would serve as the beginning of a special "Summer Sports Series", giving you an excellent opportunity to draw attention to the project's efforts and attract new members. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Multiple editors will have an opportunity to respond to the interview questions, so be sure to sign your answers. If you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. -Mabeenot (talk) 04:08, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

An aside

Hi Trackinfo! Thanks for adding to the WikiProject interview, your opinions are always welcome. Reading your missives at the end of that interview and on your talk page, you seem a bit disgruntled with things on Misplaced Pages at the moment (to say the least!). I hope this isn't affecting your desire to contribute too much, because I always value the things you do.

I fully understand virtually all of your complaints, although I will say that with bare url sources you miss out the title, which can often be the easiest way to relocate lost sources. Either way, you'll have noticed that I too ignore the "easy" reference templates, which take up twice the space of a manually written one. I actually semi-automate the manual ones too using AutoHotkey (willing to share and teach if you're interested, it's super easy to use).

I actually have a theory about the editors involved in the tagging and bot-style admin work – namely that they are people disposed towards autistic/asperger's behaviour, which would explain their consuming desires to put everything in its "right" place, their asocial editing styles, their need to set inflexible rules regarding everything, and their tendency to avoid engaging in real subject matter (which often demands emotional engagement and knowledge-based value judgements which are of less interest to such people).

Still, I feel like we're making good progress covering track and field and the like. And I'm one of the few people who is happy to point out that there are only notability guidelines that stemmed from this essay. Despite the reams of digital paper that notability has now taken up, the community's beliefs have not really moved on from that old page. You'll also note that the whole idea stems from people trying to delete articles on verifiable topics! — For all the virtual "bosses" around, I'm actually confident that we can still decide our own destinies to a good extent here. SFB 20:57, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Hey Trackinfo. I'm putting the final touches on the WP Athletics article for publication tomorrow. I understand the aggravation you endured as a result of the copyvio incident and you are right to point out the shortcomings of Misplaced Pages's bureaucracy. However, your final comment could come off as a little abrasive and may scare off new contributors to your project. If you wish, there is still time to smooth out that comment before we publish, although this not a requirement. I'm planning to publish your responses in their entirety either way. -Mabeenot (talk) 21:47, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

United States at the 2012 Summer Olympics

Horn will not compete in London, doesn't have an "A" standard. Also, we don't know who will be the third American woman to compete in the 100 metres, there was a dead heat. 108.222.5.90 (talk) 03:47, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Yes I've noticed both issues. Thank you. This is all a developing situation. I was late to notice Gray Horn not making the A standard. I added the tie to the Felix article. We will have to wait on what happens in the official decisions. I have more experience reading automatic timing pictures that just about anybody (I started in 1970) and I wouldn't want to pick that one with all that on the line. Trackinfo (talk) 04:02, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for your hard work! 108.222.5.90 (talk) 04:04, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

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Already fixed. Trackinfo (talk) 21:06, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

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Re tables

Hi Trackinfo The way that I added the tables was that I went to an athletic event from the 2008 Summer Olympics and just copyed the table from there and then pasted it into the different athletic events in the 2012 Summer Olympics . As for th world leader part I would say you could just add an extra row to the table. Hope this helps.Eh Oh Canada (talk) 00:35, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Re: World leader

Thats fine, but it ought to explain thats 2012's best.Lihaas (talk) 10:29, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

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more on ALEC

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Of course, I began to put the link because I'm going to create the page. I will work here. Stay in touch. ;-) --Kasper2006 (talk) 11:53, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

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Hi Trackinfo. I hope you're doing OK. I was reading this summary of Carl Lewis when I noticed a mention of the USOC National Sports Festival. This isn't even mentioned on the United States Olympic Committee article. There are barely two mentions of it on our whole article base! Do you have any knowledge around it? Just thought I'd alert you to this gap in what appears to have been quite a mid-sized track and field event at its peak. SFB 15:30, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

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I recall the National Sports Festival. It was the USOC's answer to the Soviet and East German Spartkiade which at the time was assessed as their advantage in finding the superior pseudo-professional athletes (particularly women, to pump full of steroids, as it turned out) that were dominating medal counts during the 1970's. The origins of Renate Stecher, Bärbel Eckert-Wöckel, Heike Drechsler and Marita Koch as we know. I further note, the East German version, the one that was the big talk of the 1970's, also has no mention in the wiki-linked article. Here's some stuff to talk about that etc etc. This was also the transitional period before professionalism was allowed, which in turn allowed athletes like Lewis to train on a more full time basis Bruce Jenner had done that essentially on his own, financed by his then wife working as a stewardess. I know this from OR, I personally competed with him back in the day. Some other idiot challenged it and that point got removed from his article recently. I can't source it--I digress, often. Here's a little on the NSF: Sports Illustrated], Chicago Tribune 1985 blog and LOC self promotion several articles from the Christian Science Monitor. I'll get to those if I get a chance, but I only seem to be able to edit in short bursts right now, so I can't take on several articles that need writing. You are welcome to show me how to archive. Trackinfo (talk) 22:31, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

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I may not have sourced my edit on Forbes Billionaires list about Reggie Theus, but it is relevant and factual. If you had the inclination to do even menial research (e.g., google search Reggie Theus Bank) you would find my claims accurate. You are correct that I did not source my information, however, this is because I am not familiar with how to do so. In the future, I will teach myself how to do this. This is not a reason to flag my edit for vandalism, and call it "total BS". If you would like, I will add it back and put sources in too. Please don't revert people's edits with bogus reasons.

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My Apologies

Regarding the above topic (Forbes Billionaires) you are absolutely correct, and I was quick to respond in a rude manner. I have not familiarized myself with many Wiki policies such as Biographies of a Living Person, and I also wasn't thinking about the significance of my edits, especially in the scope of the article. But, please believe me, what I wrote was true and not utter BS :) Just look it up Reggie Theus Bank Error, its interesting. So, my apologies, I will learn how to make proper edits in the future.

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Also, I accidentally changed the article to a version with no source, instead of the one I had prepared with a source, before it was reverted again. I now realize that even if I had a source, it would still be inconsequential regarding the scope of the article. Also, by saying "looks like a duck" are you insinuating that I am a vandal? Or more likely, I am misunderstanding the context of the saying... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tempuser00 (talk • contribs) 23:12, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

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Amber Campbell

Thanks. The IAAF website is useless for telling you things like that :) Red Fiona (talk) 22:05, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

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Original research or victory of an user?

Gabre_Gabric#Masters_world_records ;) From this. Se also Question about the date of birth (in Italian), I can translate about: «In these years of masters athletics arose a dispute about the category of the old lady , for FIDAL ( and Registry ), born October 17, 1914 , but according to other sources born on October 14, 1917. In the following years he moved with his family from his native Imotski ( until the end of the First World War still in the Austro -Hungarian Empire ) , first in the United States of America ( November 1923 ), then in Zadar, who had joined part of the Kingdom of Italy , and it is these passages which many attribute a possible clerical error statistically. The documents kept at Ellis Island Foundation, New York (shown below) indicate that Gabre Gabric arrived in New York with his father, Martin Gabrich , November 20, 1923 on the SS President Wilson from the port of Trieste. The same documents show that the small Gabre , at the time of arrival in the United States was 9 years of age , confirming 1914 as the actual year of birth.» --Kasper2006 (talk) 06:20, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

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record progression

Hi Trackinfo, it seems that you are busy with an enormous project, I can't wait! Weia (talk) 18:38, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

By the way, I have yearly lists of all world records from 1996 onwards. Only when someone has broken a record more than once that year they are not in the list. Of my own records I do know them of course, but from others not. Weia (talk) 08:52, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

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