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The number of univ studs

It increased from 110 to 114. Without any reference to further increase, the 114 must be kept.Alexyflemming (talk) 23:47, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

We don't know what the number is for this year. It should either be indicated that it's a previous year's or removed. 31.153.72.171 (talk) 23:50, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

It is the latest info we have. If "114(2013)" was stated, then unnecessary information dirtyness since most probably that at least that 114 continues with the previous year's students. Notice, the number of countries is increasing. Here, it is 114 or 117 is not that much important until that 117 appears in a source.Alexyflemming (talk) 00:00, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

It's not "information dirtyness"; it's about accurate reporting. The student numbers are this year's but the country figure isn't. It needs to be stated that it isn't. 31.153.72.171 (talk) 00:06, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Then, how would you state it in the shortest way without making the article of a country unnecessarily long?Alexyflemming (talk) 00:30, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Without changing any of the prose: "There are 70,004 university students (2014) from 114 countries (2013) in nine universities in Northern Cyprus (15,210 Turkish Cypriots; 36,148 from Turkey; 18,646 international students): ... " We can get away with not mentioning 2014 twice 'cause the numbers add up. 31.153.72.171 (talk) 00:40, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

OK, then, change accordingly.Alexyflemming (talk) 00:46, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

I can't, the article is protected. 31.153.72.171 (talk) 00:47, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

You can take a username and declare an e-mail through which you become an auto-confirmed user thereby edit whichever you want. I previously suggested you to use a username (you know). Let me change then.Alexyflemming (talk) 00:53, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I agree. To avoid the brackets, we could state something like: "In 2013, "x amount (2013 number)" of university students from 114 countries were enrolled. In 2014, the number of students increased to 70,004." Δρ.Κ.  00:55, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

OK, this seems more robust presentation.Alexyflemming (talk) 01:01, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you both. 31.153.72.171 (talk) 01:05, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

I also thank you both. :) Δρ.Κ.  01:14, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Cyprus place names

Hi! I have followed the discussion and agree with the choice of standard you are heading for. If any opposistion pops up, I will try to participate. You are doing great work, both on those lists and on Cyprus-related stuff in general. Take care! --T*U (talk) 20:27, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. :-) 31.153.72.171 (talk) 20:48, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

The deletion of REFERENCED material from Famagusta port

You deleted the following from the article:
The port is open to international vessel traffic.
The info is very well referenced. Why did you delete it?Alexyflemming (talk) 10:09, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Because, as usual, the sources did not support your original research. And, as usual, you misrepresented the sources. Nowhere in those sources does it say that the "port is open to international vessel traffic". And "..the use of ports in the north was not prohibited. Based on the general principles of international law, entry and exit of vessels from sea ports in the northern part of Cyprus is not prohibited" is a misrepresentation of the opinion of a single EU representative that has not being affirmed by the Council of Europe. Read the next paragraph of the first source: "Marcoullis said, recalling that the EU direct trade regulation was approved by the Commission in 2004 but has not been endorsed by the EU Council ``because it has been established that it is unacceptable not only for its legal basis but because of several other issues included in this regulation.`" and the next paragraph: "``For us,`` Macroullis added, ``the fact that the European Council`s legal department ruling on the direct trade is sufficient, that is according to the international law and the acquis communautaire the Republic of Cyprus has the sovereign right to declare its ports and airports closed and every member-state of the international community and especially members of the EU have the obligation to abide by the international and EU rules and the international law.``" You have "missed" too many paragraphs in your zeal to promote your cause. Δρ.Κ.  10:27, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

References

1. EU Enlargement Commissioner EU Enlargement Commissioner Olli Rehn (A reply to a question of European MP Marios Matsakis; on 18 January 2008): "..the use of ports in the north was not prohibited. Based on the general principles of international law, entry and exit of vessels from sea ports in the northern part of Cyprus is not prohibited"
2. Cyprus News Agency (27 January 2008)Rehn's written reply to Cypriot MEP Marios Matsakis: "according to the general principles of international law, entry and exit of ships from the closed ports of Cyprus is not prohibited"
3. Hellenic Resources Network(25 January 2008)"Turgay Avci is satisfied with Olli Rehns reply to Marios Matsakis"
4. The Gemini post (December 2007)Greek Cypriot daily Politis (the office of EU Enlargement Commissioner Olli Rehn): "...the use of Famagusta port was not illegal under international law..."

You say "misrepresentation of the opinion of a single EU representative". But, Olly Rehn is not an arbitrary member; he has the authority to speak on behalf of EU! Matsakis was replied by not any arbitrary EU official, but the one who was elected by EU to speak on behalf of EU! Also, I gave the mentionings of a neutral source. But, you reply with Marcoullis' words. Marcoullis is one of the parties in this discussion, hence, not neutral. However, the spokesman of EU (Olly Rehn) is not a party and hence neutral!Alexyflemming (talk) 11:47, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

But, Olly Rehn is not an arbitrary member; he has the authority to speak on behalf of EU! No. Read again what I told you above. Rehn's opinion has not been ratified by the EU council:

the fact that the European Council`s legal department ruling on the direct trade is sufficient, that is according to the international law and the acquis communautaire the Republic of Cyprus has the sovereign right to declare its ports and airports closed and every member-state of the international community and especially members of the EU have the obligation to abide by the international and EU rules and the international law.``"

But, you reply with Marcoullis' words. Marcoullis is one of the parties in this discussion, hence, not neutral. This has nothing to do with Marcoullis' words. These are the facts. I repeat:

...the EU direct trade regulation was approved by the Commission in 2004 but has not been endorsed by the EU Council because it has been established that it is unacceptable not only for its legal basis but because of several other issues included in this regulation.`"

So, again, the EU council has not endorsed Rehn's opinion. This has nothing to do with Marcoullis' words. You seem to pick only the things you like from the sources and you do this all the time. Either you don't understand the English language well enough or you are spamming propaganda on Misplaced Pages for a very long time. Δρ.Κ.  16:15, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Username

Please choose a Wiki username. I said this to you infinitely many times till now. Insistingly rejecting to do so brings into mind that you are a sockpuppet of a Wiki user in WP.
Why are you insistingly reject taking a username?
Alexyflemming (talk) 11:50, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

I've said here. Either way, I don't think it's very important. 213.7.147.34 (talk) 12:06, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

While I fully support your right to edit as an IP (I used to do that myself for a long period), I feel it would be better if you were able to get a fixed IP address. For one thing, it will be easier to contact you, since a post to one of your old IP addresses might go unnoticed. Most Internet providers can offer you a fixed IP for a purely nominal fee. My own experience is that if you keep the same IP for a long time, you are less likely to be reverted summarily by people who just do not like IP editors (and there are a few like that around). But it is, of course, entirely up to you. Whatever you choose, keep up your excellent work! Regards! --T*U (talk) 12:27, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

The Banner and me (Alexyflemming) strongly object your non-choosing of any Wiki user name.

Here you say "whoops, it was someone else added them; pardon". As long as you do not choose any Wiki username, there may be people propogating from the same IP you used (as was the case above)!

How do I know that 213.7.147.34 and 31.153.72.171 are not the sockpuppets of Dr.K? Because, you all are acting like the same manner!Alexyflemming (talk) 13:23, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks TU-nor. What about that edit? I thought it was you who added the coordinates to Denizli, Cyprus, but it turned out to be somebody else, so I reverted myself. 213.7.147.34 (talk) 13:34, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

This does not give you any right to continue in the same way you did. Please, choose a Wiki username. Not that difficult, isn't it?Alexyflemming (talk) 14:07, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but you're misinformed. I'm not obliged to choose a username. 213.7.147.34 (talk) 14:14, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

The IP editor deserves a civility barnstar for his civil and calm response when faced by Alexyflemming's naive and clueless comments like I said this to you infinitely many times till now. Insistingly rejecting to do so brings into mind that you are a sockpuppet of a Wiki user in WP. and implying that the IP editor is my sockpuppet just because we are correcting his silly propaganda. The respected IP editor does not deserve this clueless harassment from the clueless SPA. Δρ.Κ.  16:55, 30 October 2014 (UTC)