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Re: "Comments removed by agreement" and "(edit conflict)" I don't mind which wording was used. My prose often lack the current lucidness of the text and am happy to leave further changes to you. I'll also add a note for ] to again give thanks (sounding religious again) for support and that I have been more than happy with the minimal and open tinkering with and correcting of my texts by P123ct1. There is a high level of trust here. I have recently un-collapsed a text, changed titles and things like that. ] ] 10:54, 1 November 2014 (UTC) | Re: "Comments removed by agreement" and "(edit conflict)" I don't mind which wording was used. My prose often lack the current lucidness of the text and am happy to leave further changes to you. I'll also add a note for ] to again give thanks (sounding religious again) for support and that I have been more than happy with the minimal and open tinkering with and correcting of my texts by P123ct1. There is a high level of trust here. I have recently un-collapsed a text, changed titles and things like that. ] ] 10:54, 1 November 2014 (UTC) | ||
:]: When have I altered your text apart from this time, Greg? I can remember another time in a note directing readers to another discussion, but I have never changed your comments elsewhere, and I have certainly never changed anyone else's. This was a big exception, to clean up the confusion we had in our exchange in that thread, and it was done with your agreement. Please get back to me on this. ~ ] (]) 12:54, 1 November 2014 (UTC) | :]: When have I altered your text apart from this time, Greg? I can remember another time in a note directing readers to another discussion, but I have never changed your comments elsewhere, and I have certainly never changed anyone else's. This was a big exception, to clean up the confusion we had in our exchange in that thread, and it was done with your agreement. Please get back to me on this. ~ ] (]) 12:54, 1 November 2014 (UTC) | ||
::] Don't know how I managed to overlook the ninth comment back! Of course I removed it, but told you why and to restore, which you did. No attempt to deceive you. I know my Talk page is being scrutinized now and a dossier being kept, lol! Technophant informed. No comment expected, Greg. :) ~ ] (]) 22:48, 4 November 2014 (UTC) | |||
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Congratulations on your new archive
It's always good to keep things organized. Anyway, I finally am back at my computer and have checked out the article and it definitely mentions that Israel declared both ISIL (S? Whatever) and the Abdullah Azzam Brigades as teroris organizations (I intentionally misspell words like that to avoid certain filters). However, the talk page for the article on the former is really long. Where exactly is the discussion being held there? MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:41, 22 October 2014 (UTC)
ISIS infoboxes
Thanks. However, I can't adjust the organization box to make them match the country box dimensions, because the length depends on how many bytes are taking up the space. Supersaiyen312 (talk) 07:36, 23 October 2014 (UTC)
gift
Better a stream than an ex. OK that wasn't as funny as intended.. but was meant well. Really appreciate your support m8. Gregkaye ✍♪ 20:26, 25 October 2014 (UTC).
Timeline
I know you've given this a fair bit of thought and wondered whether it might be appropriate to suggest scrapping this section and just keeping the link in history. I recently gave the section the title "Timeline (latest events)" but it still takes three lines in the TOC. Current page size is 205,088 bytes. Cheers. Gregkaye ✍♪ 17:48, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
- @Gregkaye: Couldn't agree more. Have never been able to understand why it is duplicated in the ISIS article. I think a link with suitable wording is enough. --P123ct1 (talk) 18:01, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
Links
Linking is really quite simple once you get the hang of it. I hope that helps -- PBS (talk) 19:56, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks for going to all that trouble PBS, it is really appreciated. I think I will add this to my userpage! --P123ct1 (talk) 20:05, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
- I used to put stuff like this on my main user page, I now put notes like this into a subpage -- unimaginatively called user:PBS/Notes. If you look at my user page you will see that I have various subpages for different things. -- PBS (talk) 20:12, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
- @PBS: Good tip. Thanks. --P123ct1 (talk) 20:23, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
- If you decide that you want change the look of your user page then take a look at WP:UPDC and if that looks too complicated there are other users willing to help (see WP:UPH) -- PBS (talk) 20:50, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
- @PBS: I haven't been here long enough (since Feb this year) to put much into it. I'm just a humble copy-editor! But thanks. --P123ct1 (talk) 20:57, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
- If you decide that you want change the look of your user page then take a look at WP:UPDC and if that looks too complicated there are other users willing to help (see WP:UPH) -- PBS (talk) 20:50, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
- @PBS: Good tip. Thanks. --P123ct1 (talk) 20:23, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
- I used to put stuff like this on my main user page, I now put notes like this into a subpage -- unimaginatively called user:PBS/Notes. If you look at my user page you will see that I have various subpages for different things. -- PBS (talk) 20:12, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
Hey this is the translation
I hope this is the article you mentioned. I haven't been logging in much to be honest. I'm sorry for the delay as truthfully I could have done this before, but we're all hit by procrastination sometimes. Anyway:
- "Israel Declares ISIS and Abdullah Azzam as Terrorist Organizations!
- "The Israeli Ministry of Defense declared on Wednesday, on the recommendation of the Israeli General Security Service, that the organizations Islamic State (known publicly as "ISIS") and the Abdullah Azzam Brigades as terrorist organizations according to local journalists.
- "Yedioth Ahronoth stated in a report posted on its web site: 'The Israeli Ministry of Defense has declared that ISIS is regarded as a terrorist organization, in addition to the Abdullah Azzam Brigades.'
- "The paper added that the radification of the recommendation 'is in order for the Israeli security apparatus to take legal steps against these groups."
It's a super short article so I'm kind of afraid I'm translating the wrong thing. If so, I let me know and I will move on to the correct story. I believe the "Israeli Gen Security Service" refers to Shin Bet though I'm not sure as the article doesn't specify. MezzoMezzo (talk) 04:15, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
- MezzoMezzo: Thanks, that is the translation we needed. In the sentence "The Israeli Ministry of Defence declared ... that the organisations ... as terrorist organisations ..." there seems to be a verb missing. Can you look at this sentence again, please? --P123ct1 (talk) 06:58, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
- The problem wasn't with the translation but with my English grammar. The pronoun "that" wasn't in the sentence of the original Arabic though I wrote it here...actually I'm not sure why. Here's a version with the superfluous pronoun deleted:
- "Israel Declares ISIS and Abdullah Azzam as Terrorist Organizations!
- "The Israeli Ministry of Defense declared on Wednesday, on the recommendation of the Israeli General Security Service, the organizations Islamic State (known publicly as "ISIS") and the Abdullah Azzam Brigades as terrorist organizations according to local journalists.
- "Yedioth Ahronoth stated in a report posted on its web site: 'The Israeli Ministry of Defense has declared that ISIS is regarded as a terrorist organization, in addition to the Abdullah Azzam Brigades.'
- "The paper added that the radification of the recommendation 'is in order for the Israeli security apparatus to take legal steps against these groups."
- Again, sorry for the delay. It only took about 45 seconds to translate and I should have done it earlier. MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:44, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks, that makes sense now. Twenty-one days to do a translation that only took 45 second to do! That must be a record! --P123ct1 (talk) 06:45, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
- Oh God, did I really take that long? That's a bit embarrassing...thanks for your patience. I hope you guys are able to use this. MezzoMezzo (talk) 10:43, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks, that makes sense now. Twenty-one days to do a translation that only took 45 second to do! That must be a record! --P123ct1 (talk) 06:45, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
- The problem wasn't with the translation but with my English grammar. The pronoun "that" wasn't in the sentence of the original Arabic though I wrote it here...actually I'm not sure why. Here's a version with the superfluous pronoun deleted:
UK Designation of ISIL
I reverted your revert of my change to the UK listing date. Please read pages 13, 14 and 15 of the linked Home Office doc and refer to Al-Qaida's listing of for the March 2011 date. If you still disagree, we can discuss. I understand that the UK designation ties in with the EU designation which ties back to the US Security Council designation. Legacypac (talk) 01:19, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
- Legacypac: Sorry, I missed it. It says March 2001 in the document, not 2011, and the spelling is "al-Qaeda" as per the Wiki article on al-Qaeda and this article. Could you alter the infobox, please? --P123ct1 (talk) 08:46, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
- Legacypac: I see your "UN Sanctions List" in the infobox has been changed to "via UN Sanctions", which is meaningless, so you may want to alter that as well. ~ P123ct1 (talk) 11:08, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
- Ok we are on the same page. Yes March 2001 not 2011. I'm ok if you make the adjustments. Legacypac (talk) 20:32, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
- Legacypac: Please would you correct them as they were your errors? Moving the cell in the infobox to fit in with the date sequence is particularly tricky and I am not used to dealing with infoboxes. ~ P123ct1 (talk) 09:34, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
- Ok we are on the same page. Yes March 2001 not 2011. I'm ok if you make the adjustments. Legacypac (talk) 20:32, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
- Legacypac: I see your "UN Sanctions List" in the infobox has been changed to "via UN Sanctions", which is meaningless, so you may want to alter that as well. ~ P123ct1 (talk) 11:08, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
Lead
Hi P123ct1, I have previously found (Talk:Anti-Semitism etc.) that people talk most about WP:consensus when their arguments are not supported by policy. Category:Misplaced Pages discussion, WP:VOTE, Misplaced Pages:Consensus not numbers and WP:JUSTDONTLIKEIT may find relevance. Who knows? Gregkaye ✍♪ 09:33, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
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@P123ct1: I have just restored text as it was prior to Felino123's original deletion as per new thread: Talk:Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant#Restoration of deleted lead text re criticism. WP:CONSENSUS is an effort to reach Misplaced Pages's goals. This has not been happening. A Cabal is similar to an interest group that works with undisclosed motives. Gregkaye ✍♪ 11:46, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
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Re: "Comments removed by agreement" and "(edit conflict)" I don't mind which wording was used. My prose often lack the current lucidness of the text and am happy to leave further changes to you. I'll also add a note for Worldedixor to again give thanks (sounding religious again) for support and that I have been more than happy with the minimal and open tinkering with and correcting of my texts by P123ct1. There is a high level of trust here. I have recently un-collapsed a text, changed titles and things like that. Gregkaye ✍♪ 10:54, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
- Gregkaye: When have I altered your text apart from this time, Greg? I can remember another time in a note directing readers to another discussion, but I have never changed your comments elsewhere, and I have certainly never changed anyone else's. This was a big exception, to clean up the confusion we had in our exchange in that thread, and it was done with your agreement. Please get back to me on this. ~ P123ct1 (talk) 12:54, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
- Gregkaye Don't know how I managed to overlook the ninth comment back! Of course I removed it, but told you why and to restore, which you did. No attempt to deceive you. I know my Talk page is being scrutinized now and a dossier being kept, lol! Technophant informed. No comment expected, Greg. :) ~ P123ct1 (talk) 22:48, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
Talk pages
Please place a diff on my user page and I will tell you what I think. -- PBS (talk) 11:52, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
I was not sure who was altering section headers so I used a nifty tool called Misplaced Pages:WikiBlame which is usually used to help to find copyright violation but is also useful for other things.
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With this edit you are going around it the wrong way. The correct and accepted way is leave the header alone:
Then just under the header add:
This will add:
to the top of the section. There is no need to show the page name and when the section gets archived all that needs adding is
To the headers. This is not a novel idea and you will see it in many places on Misplaced Pages talk pages, when an editor wants to link to an older conversation. -- PBS (talk) 15:48, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
One last point. If you add such hat-notes and another editor complains that edit was made out of order and was not signed -- This will happen occasionally -- then just move the see also lines down to the current bottom of the section and sign the edit, as it is better to do that than get into pointless arguments over the format of a talk page section. -- PBS (talk) 12:51, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
The hatnotes are much better, but please do not put jump forwards at the top of sections but only jump backs. I think it is very confusing to have jump forwards at the top of sections, because people are expecting older comments to be at the top of a section, so how can an old comment at the top anticipate a new section lower down the page? As I said confusing! However if as you have done in one place, you want to include at the bottom of a section information indicating that the conversation continues lower down in a new section, I think that is fine. Also on reviewing what you are doing, it will be better if you put "Archive n:" into the visible part of link to a section if a section is archived otherwise editors may be tempted to start to add comments into the section not realising it is a section in an archive. PBS (talk) -- 16:58, 1 November 2014 (UTC) |
- PBS: Only a few of the linked discussions are consecutive. They can run in parallel with considerable overlap even though one may begin before another. This is why your point never occurred to me, but I understand what you mean. This is also why a couple of them, or at least in one because I did it, have a note at the end of the thread saying please stop commenting here and continue in the linked discussion (with name). Surely it would help editors to know about all the discussions there might be on a topic? Leaving it to the end of the thread to tell them is not as helpful, I think. Perhaps each link underneath the main heading could indicate whether it is "earlier" or "later" discussion. If I can think of a short way of doing that I could add it. I take your point about adding "archive "n"". ~ P123ct1 (talk) 17:43, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
Anbar campaign (2013–14)
I was wondering if you could help me rewrite this article. It includes an event around new year 2013 that seems to be the spark that ignited this current conflict into what it is, however it isn't written well at all. There's also poor coverage of these events in the Timeline and complete absence of these events in the ISIL article.~Technophant (talk) 18:51, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
- I can knock it into shape by rewriting badly-written passages and cleaning up syntax, grammar, etc, if that is what you mean? ~ P123ct1 (talk) 19:17, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
- The account in the Lead is a horrendous muddle, going by the citation appended. It will have to be completely rewritten. I am surprised no-one has done this before. ~ P123ct1 (talk) 20:07, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
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Timeline 2
@P123ct1: What were your reasons for supporting the removal of timeline content from ISIL? Mine were only the length of the content and that it wasn't within the history section. Just a thought. Gregkaye ✍♪ 21:42, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
- @Gregkaye: It just seemed logical that as there was a separate timeline article there was no need to duplicate parts of it in this article. I have always thought that. If it has to stay, it will have to be at the end, as after the history section would mess up the article. Not very satisfactory I know.
- I think our friend is back. The shadowing is a dead giveaway. :D ~ P123ct1 (talk) 21:53, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
I was wondering whether it would be possible to get a limited content from timeline at the end of history and to make notable members as a stand alone section. Even 0 - ~30 days might work rather than ~30 - ~60 days. I've mentioned this on the talk page. Gregkaye ✍♪ 22:01, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
- @Gregkaye: I think having "Notable members" as a standalone would be a good idea. Where could it go? Even ~30 days would unbalance the page, I think, and it would push "Criticism" down again. One reason why I moved the appendix-like section on "Support" and "Opponents" to the end was so that "Criticism" would rise higher. Though it was discussed on the Talk page I am waiting for someone to revert that bold move! ~ P123ct1 (talk) 22:15, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
- I think we need a significant criticism content in the lead. I think a timeline content might go well in history. My ideal would be 7 days but 0 - 30 averages at ~2 weeks Gregkaye ✍♪ 22:22, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
- @Gregkaye:I don't mind much one way or the other, really. But I agree there needs to be more criticism in the Lead, at the end. I have said so on the Talk page. You realize this will be interpreted as tag-teaming, don't you? Ridiculous, but any ammunition will do for our friend. ~ P123ct1 (talk) 22:31, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
- I think we need a significant criticism content in the lead. I think a timeline content might go well in history. My ideal would be 7 days but 0 - 30 averages at ~2 weeks Gregkaye ✍♪ 22:22, 4 November 2014 (UTC)