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RFC

An RFC on an article you recently edited is being conducted at Talk:Joni_Ernst#RfC: Can material that is critical to the subject be included in the article? Cwobeel (talk) 05:09, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Sheetal Sheth age

I completely agree that IMDB is not sufficient for disputed info. I don't see any "dispute" about it being correct though, just some editor with apparent COI who does not wish the info to be seen. DMacks (talk) 07:46, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

The fact that they're removing it constitutes a dispute, more or less. If there's not a better source for it, there's not really a reason we should have it anyway. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 07:53, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Matches what's reported at . Filmbug is a generally variable-reliability source (some user-generated content, some content cited to wikipedia). But that particular one states Bio courtesy Warner Independent for "Looking for Comedy In the Muslim World". That cited work is apparently some sort of documentary that stars this person (and is notable enough to have a WP article), but I don't have access to a copy myself. DMacks (talk) 08:04, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Alison Lundergan Grimes

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Edit warring

I see that you have been blocked before for edit warring. Right now I have protected the page for a week. Discuss the problem at the talk page. If you resume the war after a week then you will be blocked. CBWeather, Talk, Seal meat for supper? 07:32, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

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Ferguson

Please reconsider or modify your addition. See BLPN for more details, but police reports are primary sources. Even if we were to include "peaceful" you should attribute that. I doubt very much that Alders felt they were being peaceful, whatever that means. From the short portion of the video, it seemed adversarial,at best. But this is why we use secondary reliable sources.Two kinds of pork (talk) 18:54, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure why it matters what Albers' state of mind was - the objective facts are pretty clear. Any officer of the law who levels a rifle at unarmed, peaceful protestors, says "I will fucking kill you, get back" and responds with "Go fuck yourself" when asked to identify himself is clearly acting inappropriately. If Albers felt they weren't peaceful - then that's Albers' problem with understanding the nature of the word. There are no allegations that Albers was threatened with violence nor are there any allegations that the protestors he aimed a weapon at were armed. Merely feeling discomfort with people who oppose you is not, under any objective consideration of policing, valid reason to threaten them with deadly force.

The secondary reliable sources here are effectively unanimous. I'm not aware of any reliable source making any claims that what Albers did was appropriate - but if there are some, we should certainly include them. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 19:17, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

this is why we use secondary sources to describe the crowd. Or we attribute to the primary source. We should only cite primary sources in very limited circumstances. Two kinds of pork (talk) 19:47, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Brown article

Hi, I think that two Hoosiers can work together. Of course I was only a Hoosier while at ND for my masters, but love Indiana. Of course I never thought my edits had a chance of sticking, but maybe I can get some traction for a more neutral encyclopedic lede. Do you really think that lede represents the goals of the WP project? Best regards! Kevin --Kevin Murray (talk) 01:42, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

RFC - Please comment on Talk:Joni Ernst

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Gamergate

Please stop trying to delete information which has appeared in multiple reliable sources; it has already been noted to you repeatedly on Zoe Quinn that it is not a violation of BLP. If you continue to do so I will seek to have you barred from these pages; I appreciate your work on finding sources and don't want to exclude you from the editing process, but if you continue to delete such information I will have to in the interest of allowing the article to move forward. Titanium Dragon (talk) 08:51, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Given the fact that it's already been revdel'ed multiple times by several different administrators from both articles, I'm pretty sure that you're the one who is at risk of being banned for violating policy. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 08:53, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

September 2014

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To avoid violating NPOV, don't describe people as "social justice warriors." NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 16:03, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

The next time you revert, I'm reporting you to WP:AN3. Looking at the page history, you're at 8 reverts so far or even more. Please self revert. Tutelary (talk) 16:07, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

You can't state, in Misplaced Pages's voice, that someone is a "social justice warrior." NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 16:09, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

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Break

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Oh yes, I'm sure you are entirely unbiased and detached. OK then. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 21:32, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

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Content removal

Its wasn't large scale removal it was removal of very bias unfounded information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anarousedtuna (talk • contribs) 04:36, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

@Anarousedtuna: Please refrain from edit warring and explain on the article talk page what is "unfounded" or "biased" about including the GamerGate article in Misplaced Pages's feminism portal. The controversy obviously involves issues related to feminism, as discussed in reliable sources. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 04:39, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Please stop and think with your edits you are trying to paint gamer gate as a sexist issue when it is not. Suggestion revert you edit and state what is is really about. -thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anarousedtuna (talk • contribs) 04:51, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

I suggest that you read the reliable sources and understand why the predominant point of view about GamerGate is that it's riven with misogyny and internet trolling. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 04:53, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

ya... no its about journalism people are trying to make it about feminism. You clearly have a very bias dog in the fight. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anarousedtuna (talk • contribs) 04:56, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

I'm interested in ensuring the article adheres to core content policies and reflects the mainstream consensus view of the controversy. It's not my fault that some people with honest concerns about journalism hitched their wagon to a misogynistic trolling witch-hunt. I apologize if you're one who's truly concerned about the ethics issue, but your hashtag has been permanently poisoned by the relentlessly-sexist focus on a woman's sex life. Also, please sign your posts with four tildes, like this:~~~~. Thanks. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 04:59, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

If you are then remove the feminism portal it create a hostile/bias resource page. This issue does inculde sexism on both sides but it should not be a focus of the point on the page. Poisoned? I have nothing against equal rights for every one regardless of whom they are but I can not stand to seem an agenda being so blatantly pushed on a page. I also take offense to being called sexist, your the one trying to force an agenda I'm trying to provide a neutral page. Anarousedtuna (talk • contribs) 05:05, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

I suggest a good dose of WP:DNFTT. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 05:10, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Not sure how this is related but I'm done with this. Episodes like this is why wiki's not considered reliable. comment added by Anarousedtuna (talk • contribs) 05:13, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

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You were involved in a request for amendment American politics (Kentucky Senate election)

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A kitten for you!

I owe you a little apology for the last revert - I intended to review your removal, and somehow managed to revert it instead. Now, you would have noted that it was a mistake had you allowed me 5 more seconds to correct it before edit warring! ;-)

Diego (talk) 22:23, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

BTW, that's why you're supposed to contact the offending editor and try discussing the things out before filing an ANI. (What was that, less than 30 seconds or so? That may be a new record) :-P Diego (talk) 22:36, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

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Gamergate/Sommers edits

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Jules Bianchi

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Re: Edits to the "Gamergate controversy" article

I think it would be best at this point if you either refrained from further edits to the Gamergate page or toned down on your frequency. You have made 61 of the last 500 edits to the article and are the second most frequent editor within that period. At this point I believe it would be best if less invested contributors took over. If you have any concerns about NPOV or SPAs, your argument will be strengthened by relegating such observations to the appropriate resolution channels and engaging the community in these issues. In this spirit, I will also refrain from making any further edits to the article and limit myself to suggestions on the talk page.--ArmyLine (talk) 21:35, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

there is no value in people who are "less invested" in Misplaced Pages's policies and representing the reliable sources having more editing of the article. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 21:51, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

If every SPA devoted to introducing nonsense about living people into this article similarly agreed to not edit, I might consider this. But Titanium Dragon won't even agree to *not mention Zoe Quinn for a month*, so invested are they in depicting her negatively. So no. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 22:43, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

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Your video game journalism revert

Why did you revert the allegations of several other people other than Nathan Grayson saying they're not relevent people? These other people were also accused for harming journalistig integrity. --Artman40 (talk) 11:03, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Your sentence makes literally no sense, and this discussion belongs on the article's talk page. Please take your issues there. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 11:54, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

It makes sense but the fact that other 4 people who have received accusations were not mentioned in mainstream media for some reason is still notable. --Artman40 (talk) 12:07, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Well, no, it makes no sense, because "accused for harming journalistic integrity" is not a comprehensible phrase. What is "harming journalistic integrity," which reliable source made the accusations and is there any substantiation for any of the claims? NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 14:07, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

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Do me a solid

I'm staying out of that hell hole. 5 edit conflicts in 2 minutes. Could you please replace the "ingrained" source with one of the suitable ones you mentioned? Always a pleasure Two kinds of pork_Bacon 05:37, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

I would do so happily, but the article's full-prot for another... week, I think? Yeah, it's a debacle. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 05:38, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

AN3

Titanium Dragon etc—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 07:08, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Yellow Sandals is rehashing the content dispute on AN now.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 07:34, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

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Milo Yiannopoulos article

Hi, I was looking at the article on the person in question and it seems like someone simply copied the section from the Gamergate article with minor changes , and some of the sources I find questionable eg Techcrunch, Reason, and the claims that he experienced harassment. Can you take a look at it? TY --137.111.13.200 (talk) 08:04, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

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Hello, I recently noticed that you removed the tag I put on the article Tropes vs. Women in Video Games (Misplaced Pages Article). I am kinda new to flagging articles that need improvement on Misplaced Pages, and I was wondering if I made a mistake in how I flagged it. What I wanted to accomplish was to have the article slightly cleaned up because some of the information in it, to me at least, appears to be opinionated and does not appear to be written from a neutral point of view. Is there a way I could have done this better?
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When you tag an article, particularly one as contentious as that one, you need to open a discussion on the talk page expressing your specific issues with the article. Merely dropping a tag in the article and walking away is "drive-by tagging" and not considered good form or helpful, especially when it is a well-established article with significant edits such as that one.

That is, the tag doesn't tell us anything other than your very general opinion that there is a very general issue. For issues to be fairly discussed and addressed by a consensus decision, they need to be explained and discussed. Hope this helps. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 20:01, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Hello. Thank you for letting me know what I did wrong. I did some research and did find that it is in fact a very controversial article which in fact has been vandalized multiple times. I am not quite sure why I did not open up a discussion, but if I visit that article again and do decide for good that it appears to not be written from a neutral point of view, I will leave that tag and open up discussion.

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Edit warring

Your recent editing history at Gamergate controversy shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. To resolve the content dispute, instead of reverting please consider using the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. See BRD for how this is done. If discussions reach an impasse, you can then post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

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@Dreadstar: I'm pretty sure that's only two reverts I've made in the last 24 hours and both on separate issues. I made a significant rewrite to address TDA's concerns about criminal connotations, by rewriting to exclude the word "bribe". I'm trying to avoid the classic revert war, and neither of my reverts have been untouched reverts — both have involved efforts to rewrite the content to achieve a consensus version. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 03:42, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Per WP:EW, "it is perfectly possible to edit war without breaking the three-revert rule, or even coming close to doing so." Please also review WP:3RRNO for edit warring exemptions. Dreadstar ☥ 03:45, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

@Dreadstar: Right, but I don't see this as an edit war... *yet* — if TDA reverts it back out and I reverted it back in, then I agree I'd be edit-warring. I made an effort to put forward a version that addresses TDA's concerns... if TDA isn't satisfied and takes it out again, I'll leave it be. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 03:46, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Also please note this: "The 3RR says an editor must not perform more than three reverts, in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material, on a single page within a 24-hour period". Dreadstar ☥ 03:48, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

@Dreadstar: I made one legitimate effort at addressing the issue and if TDA wants to reject it, c'est la vie, I wasn't planning to engage in a stale revert-war over it. Thanks for the heads-up. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 03:51, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

If you're going to claim WP:BRD, then I suggest you and the other reverting editors claim it in the edit summary. Actually, on those articles - I wouldn't recommend even using BRD, the Gamergate General Sanctions are very strict. Dreadstar ☥ 03:50, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Do you know the source for this?

I'd like to see if you know the source for this is. The unorganized, leaderless movement has hitherto been unwilling or unable to distance itself from continued harassment. I'd rather ask you than go to the talk because it'll just be another needless section clogging up the page. Tutelary (talk) 23:28, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

There's already discussion of it on the talk page — see "Last paragraph of the lede." It's a concise paraphrase of a point that any number of sources have made about the fact that the movement's complete lack of anything resembling identifiable leadership or organization prevents it from doing anything meaningful to stop the harassment carried out under its name. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 23:32, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Alright, thanks. Tutelary (talk) 23:34, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

JournoList

It is rather remarkable that two accounts show up that only have edited years ago and they speak for mr. Editwarrior. Less remarkable is the revert by an IP. This is clear block evasion and reported as such. Unless you are quicker, I will throw in an sockpuppet investigation later today. The Banner talk 11:20, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Hmmm, a SPI-case seems a dance on rather thin ice. I am not doing it after all. But it is strange what is happening. The Banner talk 20:34, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

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Gamergate talk page

Get in there now so we can discuss why you don't like my edit, lets reach a consensus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skeletos (talk • contribs) 04:22, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

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Wu article

I actually have looked over the sources several times. Only Kotaku calls 8chan a "pro-GamerGate message board", because it is a rather absurd characterization as 8chan predates GamerGate by nearly a year. The quote from Wu is only in the Kotaku article. None of the other sources mention the quote. The "for, among other things, making illogical claims and misogynistic threats" material does not appear to be backed by any actual source. Nowhere in the Boston Globe piece is anything of that nature stated. When unnecessary material that supports a specific POV can either not be backed by a source or can only be backed by a non-independent source, then it clearly does not belong in the article. You inserted these extraneous details to push your POV and nothing more.--The Devil's Advocate _{tlk. cntrb.} 05:18, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

No, Kotaku is not the only site saying so and it's trivial to demonstrate otherwise. etc. etc. The fact that 8chan predates GamerGate does not prohibit us from describing it as a pro-GamerGate messageboard, which it obviously is and has become. If you would prefer NYMag's "unofficial headquarters of the online Gamergate movement" or "the site most responsible for the online Gamergate movement" or "the main staging ground for supporters of the Gamergate movement" wording, we can use that.

Kotaku is a perfectly usable source for this matter and you have no consensus for your ludicrous claim that it isn't.

The Boston Globe states that Wu "mocked members of a shadowy and threatening gaming movement called GamerGate, ridiculing them for, among other things, “fighting an apocalyptic future where women are 8 percent of programmers and not 3 percent.” If you'd prefer, rather than a paraphrase, I'll just use the direct quote. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 05:21, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

You seem to enjoy source-bombing and quote-bombing to push your POV, no matter how extraneous the material. Unsurprisingly, the only two sources, both of questionable reliability, that you cite above calling 8chan "pro-GamerGate" cited Kotaku. Reality is, stating it was in a GamerGate-related discussion suffices. Nothing you added about 8chan supposedly being pro-GamerGate, nor the quote of Wu's opinion on culpability, actually adds information of value. It also all comes from Kotaku, who undeniably have a horse in this race, more than any outlet. You and other POV-pushers refusing to understand that a controversy primarily concerning a specific media outlet means that media outlet should not be regarded as a third-party source on the matter is irrelevant. WP:RS is clear that third-party sources are required. If it is not a third-party source then it is basically a primary source and primary sources should not be used for contentious material. Lastly, your surmising of The Boston Globe is one more thing colored by your desire to push your POV. Providing a quote from one of the satirical image macros is not the same as quoting GamerGate supporters, which should be obvious. It also makes no mention of them being mocked "for making misogynistic threats", which still does not resolve the problem of you wording the material so as to present the "illogical statements and misogynistic threats" claim as fact when it is opinion.--The Devil's Advocate _{tlk. cntrb.} 05:53, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

All of it demonstrably adds information of value. Noting that 8chan is pro-GamerGate establishes the connection between the site, the harassment and the movement. The statement It was a paraphrase of "threatening movement" based upon that and the umpteen squillion other sources which discuss that aspect of the movement; but you knew that already, didn't you.

As for "POV-pusher," well, the pot would certainly know what color the kettle is. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 06:05, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Except, there is no indication given in the sources that the image macro was mocking them for that, nor do the sources generally treat it as fact that somehow these threats are all from GamerGate supporters. You can cry POV-pusher all you like, but I find people to be regularly torn between whether my edits are favorable or unfavorable to a given side. Many on both sides have considered my work on the content to be neutral. Of course, it can be very hard for a POV-pusher to recognize neutrality, so it is not surprising that you mistake my editing for POV-pushing rather than as an attempt to prevent you from making non-neutral edits.--The Devil's Advocate _{tlk. cntrb.} 06:21, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Yep, I'm sure a ton of people find you to be making neutral edits on this subject. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 06:25, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Did not mean that

On GamerGate page, the most recent edit. I just remember Red had inserted all of that 'some' before supporters so I searched for that and changed it accordingly--This was ignorance not malice. I have no intention of deliberately making things more eschewed than they really are. Apologies for such. ^^ Tutelary (talk) 00:06, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I figured it was just a find-and-replace issue, just wanted to be sure. There's a lot of things I disagree with GG about but I'm pretty sure that false-flag crowd is a discredited fringe even within GG, which is to their credit that they've largely rejected that nonsense. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 00:07, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

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