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User talk:Retartist/8chanstuff

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As admitted to by the page creator at the top (" this is not written by myself, this is written by a collaboration of 8chan users and so is not a reflection of my views etc"), this page is deliberately being used as a gathering point for 8chan, an anonymous forum that opened its doors to gamergaters once 4chan has a moment of clarity and kicked them out. 8chan users are insistent that Gamergate controversy is actually about ethics in journalism, when the overwhelming amt of reliable sources have made it clear that the notability stems from harassment. Misplaced Pages's userspace should not be used as a web host for criticism by people who are not editors. The only edits there so far are by the creator and a single-purpose account, Eldritcher. Delete this, please, we're in clear WP:NOTWEBHOST territory. Tarc (talk) 16:24, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

• Comment I'd like to hear from Retartist before !no voting. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 16:37, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
• Delete I don't think there explicit rules about outside sources providing on-wiki evidence of behavior/content problems that they see - however, at the present time, while this is just the ArbCom case request and not the case proper, full lists of faults are not really appropriate, particularly if the editor offering them, Retartist in this case, is not the one that wrote them (That's edging into meatpuppetry, though a trout rather than admin action to prevent again). If the case does go full, those that want to provide evidence as third parties can as IP/unregistered, as long as the evidence is solely highlighting on-wiki behavior and that it is demonstrating policy-based violations rather than "he was mean to me!" type language; otherwise, just like how SPA accounts are generally handled at AFD, those points will also be somewhat ignored if not backed by others. But for now, I don't think this page is appropriate considering that Retartist does not appear to be the primary author. --MASEM (t) 16:46, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
• Keep The case has not been accepted yet, but neither has it been declined. Evidence is clearly being included with the intention of it being used in an arbitration case and thus should remain as long as there is the prospect of such a case. Much of the evidence is relevant to any prospective case on the matter. Who is adding the evidence is not relevant to the question of whether it meets the criteria for deletion.--The Devil's Advocate _{tlk. cntrb.} 18:13, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
• Delete Doesn't belong here either under whatever combination of WP:NOTHERE/WP:POLEMIC/WP:NOTWEBHOST/WP:PROXYING tickles your fancy. The foundations resources should not be used for an outside organization of users to stage up an attack on volunteers at Misplaced Pages. Hasteur (talk) 19:26, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete and block the creator per WP:IAR - only harm will come of keeping this, and this user seems intent on helping outside groups set up attacks on our users. More specific guidelines? How about WP:NOTWEBHOST, WP:NOTHERE, WP:BLP (our users are living persons), WP:CSD#G10, WP:HOUND, WP:WITCHHUNT, Gamergate discretionary general sanctions, WP:CANVASS, WP:MEAT, WP:POLEMIC ... Ivanvector (talk) 20:05, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Ivanvector FYI: the GG sanctions are Community Sanctions (Misplaced Pages:General sanctions/Gamergate) and not technically ArbCom Discretionary sanctions yet. Hasteur (talk) 20:10, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying. I retargeted my comment. Ivanvector (talk) 20:29, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

• Comment Im using 8chan to gather evidence of user misconduct, it is relevant to the case, if anyone has advice of a better way to do it ill be happy to hear Retartist (talk) 20:14, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
  • Your own hard drive, PasteBin, 8chan thread. Any of these work, just as long as it's not here. Your involvement in proxying for external users is on the razor thin edge of being sanctionable IMO. Hasteur (talk) 20:22, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

will do when I get to a place with internet 49.195.22.58 (talk) 20:25, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

• Comment: Those filing and voting for deletion are WP:INVOLVED in the ArbCom request case. This feels like suppression of evidence rather than an attempt to curb harassment. Additionally, it is extremely in bad faith to silence criticism from those outside of Misplaced Pages when those complaints would not have surfaced had WP:FANATIC been adhered to. There should be nothing to fear from these complaints if they are truly unfounded, anyways. 139.57.221.120 (talk) 20:54, 10 November 2014 (UTC) This template must be substituted.

I'm not involved. Until a few minutes ago I didn't know there was a case. Compile your evidence somewhere else. Ivanvector (talk) 21:26, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

• Comment Blanked page and using it to direct them to continue off-wiki. Page was intended as a place for people with more time than myself to collect relevant evidence for the arb-com case. Will re-instate it if the page is not found to be violating any rules. Retartist (talk) 22:07, 10 November 2014 (UTC)