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ShortcutsSilly in the news juxtaposition
I find "In baseball, the San Francisco Giants defeat the Kansas City Royals to win the World Series." item accompanied by an image of File:Antares Orb-3 launch failure (201410280011HQ).jpg to be a bit jarring. It's also a bit disappointing that we still have this layout/captioning problem. --MZMcBride (talk) 03:51, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
- You could maybe take a camera around with you and make sure to jet off to every newsworthy event in the world. Then, when you are there, take a few pictures and upload them to commons. That way, we'll have pictures ready for every forseeable ITN item. --Jayron32 21:00, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
- MZMcBride's second sentence is really the key one. HiLo48 (talk) 21:10, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
- It's now even worse as the top item is a space ship crash. The image might even be taken to fit the second item too. But yes, MZMcBride, it's obviously your fault for not taking a camera. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:36, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
- Last night, I checked the available photographs of World Series MVP Madison Bumgarner and found none whose composition accommodated the creation of a thumbnail-friendly crop. But given the issue that you cited (the first item pertaining to a spacecraft crash), I've gone ahead with the switch anyway. (As you can see, the details are somewhat indistinct at this scale, but that seems preferable to the alternative.) —David Levy 22:44, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
So, is someone now suggesting we shouldn't be placing a new story at the top of ITN unless there's a picture to accompany it? Or are they saying our readers don't understand the text "(pictured)"? Or is someone saying if the top news story doesn't have an image, whatever image used to accompany the top story should be removed? Clarification please. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:43, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
- I think it's more a case of people suggesting that what we currently have often looks misleading and amateurish. Not sure what is the best way of fixing. Personally I'd prefer to see a "best picture" placed so that it's next to the story it illustrates, whatever position that is. Sorry to be so positive. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:07, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
- So you want the picture to move down with the story? Is that what User:MZMcBride is looking for? The Rambling Man (talk) 09:22, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
- That's been proposed and rejected multiple times in the past. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 03:16, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
- Ok, so another bunch of whinging from the usual with no substance or proposal to fix this perceived "problem" then? Cue the usual whinging... 22:26, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
- I've suggested in the past that the top item be reserved for whatever story actually has a usable image. Given that there is no real indication to the casual reader that the stories are in order from newest to oldest I don't see how pulling one item out of that order would be a problem. --Khajidha (talk) 02:40, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
- While I regard the status quo as less problematic than some do, that idea always has struck me as sensible (and probably the most feasible of the solutions suggested). —David Levy 02:47, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, and we would just need to ensure that stale "pictured" items are rotated off, even though they will no longer be at the bottom of the listings... The Rambling Man (talk) 07:26, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
- Indeed. As in the current setup, if we needed to bump an item and the "pictured" one pertained to the earliest event, it would be the one to go (and we'd have no image for the time being).
- Of course, in most instances, a suitable replacement image (connected to an item about a more recent event) becomes available before we reach that point. Under the suggested setup, the item no longer "pictured" would immediately drop down to its reverse-chronological position. —David Levy 08:05, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
- Well it all sounds eminently workable, with a minor update to the admin instructions this shouldn't be a problem. Does @MZMcBride: or anyone wish to formally propose this? The Rambling Man (talk) 08:15, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
- How do we go about that? --Khajidha (talk) 15:49, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
- Well it all sounds eminently workable, with a minor update to the admin instructions this shouldn't be a problem. Does @MZMcBride: or anyone wish to formally propose this? The Rambling Man (talk) 08:15, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, and we would just need to ensure that stale "pictured" items are rotated off, even though they will no longer be at the bottom of the listings... The Rambling Man (talk) 07:26, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
- While I regard the status quo as less problematic than some do, that idea always has struck me as sensible (and probably the most feasible of the solutions suggested). —David Levy 02:47, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
- I've suggested in the past that the top item be reserved for whatever story actually has a usable image. Given that there is no real indication to the casual reader that the stories are in order from newest to oldest I don't see how pulling one item out of that order would be a problem. --Khajidha (talk) 02:40, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
- Ok, so another bunch of whinging from the usual with no substance or proposal to fix this perceived "problem" then? Cue the usual whinging... 22:26, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
- That's been proposed and rejected multiple times in the past. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 03:16, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
- So you want the picture to move down with the story? Is that what User:MZMcBride is looking for? The Rambling Man (talk) 09:22, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
I'd personally prefer no image to a wrong/misleading image. I think keeping "In the news" in reverse chronological order makes sense. A (seemingly arbitrary) change in the ordering of the entries would be strange and unexpected, in my opinion. --MZMcBride (talk) 19:33, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
- So your proposal is that, as soon as an item at the top of ITN has no applicable image, any prior image is removed? The Rambling Man (talk) 19:52, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
- It would only be "strange and unexpected" if the reader actually knows that they are in reverse chronological ordering, something I think most casual readers are unaware of. --Khajidha (talk) 18:29, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
- How feasible would it be to have the 'text related to the article' highlighted in some manner (bold, different colour etc)? Jackiespeel (talk) 10:29, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
- That still wouldn't remove the initial odd juxtaposition. Your eye is initially drawn to the picture. You think "Oh, interesting picture, wonder what it is about?" You look to the left and read the blurb. "Huh, I didn't know that <<FAMOUS HOLLYWOOD ACTRESS>> was <<A MEMBER OF A TERRORIST CELL>>" (or other confusing mishmash). Only then do you continue onward and find the "Pictured" tag, even if it is bold, red and flashing. --Khajidha (talk) 18:29, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
- The obvious answer is to restrict ITN to a single item, which can appear only if it's photogenic. That would save so much grief and wasted time debating, surely(?) Martinevans123 (talk) 18:41, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
- I think you mean "shurely"? The Rambling Man (talk) 19:02, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
Ok, I guess it's time to put up or shut up here. If someone like User:MZMcBride wishes to make a formal proposal to change the way ITN works, this isn't the place to do it. I would suggest either a formal RFC or something at WT:ITN in order to judge consensus. Please, if you do this, be clear in the proposal, don't just say "I think there's a problem" or similar, specific solutions will help a proposal gain traction. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:05, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
- The Delphic Oracle (I think it was) was apparently once asked to make a prediction that would cover all eventualities, and came up with 'This too will pass.'
The Misplaced Pages equivalents would refer to the inevitability of the Main Page components to coordinate for more than a couple of days. (A more Delphic version anyone?) Jackiespeel (talk) 22:30, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
- Has anyone ever suggested using images for (some) RD? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:24, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
- As previously — and repeatedly — noted, pairing photos with the items or briefs they illustrate has been media practice for eons. I've never understood the technical difficulties allegedly preventing this on ITN, but if a way were found to overcome them it would make obvious typographical sense. The Broken Record, a.k.a Sca (talk) 15:01, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
- As I asked before "how do we do this?". The Rambling Man linked to where we should take this, but I have no idea how to propose this. --Khajidha (talk) 15:47, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
- The only technical difficulty is we don't have a suitable photo to use. We routinely change the photo to match the most recent item when we have a good photo. When the photo doesn't exist, we can't do anything about that... --Jayron32 16:23, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
- As I asked before "how do we do this?". The Rambling Man linked to where we should take this, but I have no idea how to propose this. --Khajidha (talk) 15:47, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
- As previously — and repeatedly — noted, pairing photos with the items or briefs they illustrate has been media practice for eons. I've never understood the technical difficulties allegedly preventing this on ITN, but if a way were found to overcome them it would make obvious typographical sense. The Broken Record, a.k.a Sca (talk) 15:01, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
(reset) Perhaps with the next redesign there could be a 'news picture story of the day' or similar? (Whether or not it fits on the mobile view).
Has the alphabet-searcher being active lately? Jackiespeel (talk) 17:48, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
Recognising that this is not the place for proposals, but has anyone yet suggested (or explained why it would be coding-impossible) splitting the ITN field into three components? At the top would be "photo-story" beside "photo" (so a line split between two horizontal fields). Below that would be all the other ITN stories in their usual order. That option would seem to cover most of the points made above. - Tenebris 19:39, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
TRM: "Talk:Main Page" is a perfectly cromulent place to discuss "Main Page". And not every discussion needs to start or end with a clear, concrete proposal. A statement of, and discussion about, a problem is fine. And I'd argue that dismissively telling people to "put up or shut up" or shouting "wrong venue!" is a bit of jackass move that should be avoided. :-) --MZMcBride (talk) 21:34, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
- The incromulence of this discussion is taxing my incrededibility. Sca (talk) 22:03, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
- "We can't bicker like this - we're Wikipedians." Martinevans123 (talk) 22:13, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
- @Martinevans123:, I would have to say that your comment is not unincromulent. Sca (talk)
- The bickering embiggens us all. - Tenebris 18:02, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
- @Martinevans123:, I would have to say that your comment is not unincromulent. Sca (talk)
- "We can't bicker like this - we're Wikipedians." Martinevans123 (talk) 22:13, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
- The incromulence of this discussion is taxing my incrededibility. Sca (talk) 22:03, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
- For "jackass move", see "vague description of perceived problem with little attempt to propose a solution"!! Well done you, tres cromulent!! The Rambling Man (talk) 22:56, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
- I have asked twice in this very discussion "how do we do this?" I wish to make the proposal but I have no idea how. --Khajidha (talk) 00:52, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
- To get back at a civil discourse on this, and to recognize that MzMcBride's concern is a valid concern, I also must note that even though it is valid, that doesn't mean that it can be fixed readily. Perfect is the enemy of good, and in this case, we have a reasonable concern (the picture, which sits at the top, doesn't match the article sitting at the top). The concern is valid enough that someone raises it, on average, every six months, to the point that it should probably be added to WP:PEREN. However, in this case, I think that we must concede that the best solution is not the flawless solution, merely the solution with the least flaws. Every other possible way to solve this has its own flaws, and MANY MANY MANY discussions in the past have arrived at the conclusion that the way we are doing it, as flawed as it is, is less flawed than every other way we could do it. In no particular order, here's the other ways we could do it:
- Picture floats next to article it supports. Flaw: Design-wise it doesn't work; the pic's place at the top of the box is the best location; eventually the pic will extend past the bottom of the text. That looks pretty lousy.
- Delete the pic if the topmost item doesn't have a pic. We actually tried this for a while; we abandoned it and went back to the old system when it was decided that we like the look of a picture there rather than no picture. Probably the best contender for an alternative system, but as it was tried and failed, we have empirical evidence that it doesn't work as well as the current system.
- Pictured article remains on top of list: ITN works best as a chronological list: the item closest to the top is the one likely to generate the most interest, and newer items make the most sense to keep on top. The eye is drawn to the top of the list, and is likely to miss items that don't show up at the top. The expectation of chronologicality (is that even a word? Is now...) is a powerful force, and messing with that expectation doesn't sit well with people.
- So there you go. The system we have is flawed, but so is every other way we can do it, and over many earlier discussions, the other flaws have shown themselves to be more onerous than the current flaws, so we live with it. My suggestion near the top was only partly tongue-in-cheek. The only reason the current system DOESN'T work is that we sometimes don't have a proper picture for the most recent item. News agencies (which are cited above as never having this problem) don't have this problem because they are NEVER at a lack for pictures. We are, because of our resources and rules, and so we can't meet those standards. The problems are only caused by a lack of resources, and since we can't fix that problem, we're left with the flaws. We can't have a flawless system, so we're stuck with the merely least flawed system. Which is pretty much what we do now. --Jayron32 00:50, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
- I think that the general reader of ITN (as opposed to those who work on it or even just make error reports on it) has no idea that it is supposed to be in reverse chronological order. I certainly didn't when I first started reading the Main Page. This perception isn't helped by the fact that we fairly often have items debut in ITN at some lower level when they aren't added until after some event that happened after them. --Khajidha (talk) 15:16, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
Delphic predictions: Over the course of the next few months there will be (a) much discussion and complaint about 'a particular entry' on the main page (but not necessarily one that is expected to be so); (b) complaint about ITN text and picture mismatch and (c) complaint about a overemphasis on one particular topic or theme (being sometimes merely a statistical anomaly).
Any additions to the prediction? Jackiespeel (talk) 10:57, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
- Y The Broken Record hereby predicts that faulty juxtapositioning of ITN items & pix will come up as a topic on average every 106.4583 days (every 3.5 months) for the next seven years, either here or on WP:ITNT. Sca (talk) 18:38, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
"The expectation of chronologicality" (yes, a word, & also see http://jerz.setonhill.edu/EL227/2009/07/chronic-chronologicality/ ) The curious thing is that ITN items already are not chronological. The nomination process ensures that they appear in the order in which they were nominated (usually only after they appear in a major news source) to be posted after they are approved, which frequently results in ITN items being badly out of temporal order. One interesting very recent example was the HIV 100 years old item ... which actually appeared originally in a fairly solid Nature study in 2008 http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v455/n7213/full/455605a.html . (Disclaimer: I happened to have been following that one before it became imminently relevant to Ebola. http://www.livinghealthy360.com/index.php/how-old-is-hiv-28281/ ) So unknown to the reader, the reader's expectation of chronologicality is actually undermined by ITN's approach. - Tenebris 19:14, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
- Nope, ITN items are posted in chronological order by when the event occurred, not by when they were nominated or posted. It would make no sense to post the item about HIV where it would have fallen in 2008; there oldest item on ITN is usually a week or two old, not 6+ years! It would have never been posted. But that's because of the way scientific journalism works, not the way ITN works. When we post an item about an election on Monday, and then later approve an item on a sports championship that happened on the Sunday the day before, we place the sports championship blurb below the election blurb, even if it were actually approved and posted after the later event. --Jayron32 03:56, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
- Let me rephrase then, since my original statement was evidently unclear. ITN items which do not have clear single dates are often "dated" for ITN purposes based on when the mass media started paying attention to it. (Scientific journalism is not unique in delays. Quite a few current front-page stories actually started nearly a year ago - the current Ebola outbreak, for one.) For example, one particular ongoing source of ITN dating controversy occurs with high-attention criminal arrests and trials. The point at which they are officially considered ITN newsworthy may be when the crime is discovered, at arrest, when the trial begins, or at sentencing - regardless of when the criminal matter started making headlines. Is such a criminal matter clearly "before" or "after" an election held during the trial? A reader looking for mention of it on the basis of arrest might be surprised to find it listed (delayed) on the basis of sentencing, which almost certainly shifts multiple election results from after to before. (With a trial running a minimum 6 months or so, at least some of the 200-odd countries in the world have changed or renewed governments in the interim. By long consensus, each of those changes of government automatically gets a line or two in ITN.) While the specified part of the event follows strict chronologicality, it does not follow that the reader-relevance of the event is similarly chronological.
- A second point further muddies the waters. Consensus to post controversial ITN stories has on occasion been so delayed that the story in question reaches ITN just in time to be knocked off by other, less controversial stories. This is a natural result of ITN stories being posted (more or less) chronologically, regardless of when consensus was reached. However, I hope that this kind of almost-instant falling off ITN is not a desirable outcome to those who control the structure of ITN. It would seem to be somewhat counterproductive, not to mention fostering a powerful illusion that some stories are more ITN relevant than others. - Tenebris 05:47, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
Okay. One more time. We have been told that we need to make a proposal and I have THREE TIMES asked for instructions on how to format a proposal. It hardly seems fair to complain that no one is willing to make the proposal when a sincere request for instructions on proper formatting of such a proposal is completely ignored. --Khajidha (talk) 21:31, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
- No, I never told you to make a proposal. I told you to not bother, because we get the same three proposals every 6 months or so (and have for like, 6 years) and they always get rejected for the same reason. It's a free country, and no one's going to stop you from your futile waste of time, but if you read above I clearly explain that while the current situation is less than perfect, it's less less than perfect than any other possible solution that doesn't involve having free pictures of every event ever. As soon as our picture supply is limited, every possible organization scheme is flawed. The one we use now is not unflawed it is less flawed than any other. --Jayron32 04:00, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
- Not quite true. Breaking strict chronicity would not require "having free pictures of every event ever". However, I suspect your assessment of the input and outcome of "the same three proposals" is completely accurate. It is sometimes a bit depressing to observe just how much Misplaced Pages has taken on the trappings of bureaucracy. - Tenebris 05:47, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
- And the 'same set of things complained about' ('why did this (non-worksafe/upsetting the children topic appear on the main page', and 'too many items on a theme' being the most popular) appear on an equally regular basis. Jackiespeel (talk) 10:37, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
- Jayron: I didn't say that you, specifically, had said to make a proposal. The Rambling Man, however, did ask if anyone wanted to make a proposal and even said that it was "put up or shut up" time and complained about "vague description of perceived problem with little attempt to propose a solution". Not wanting the proposal to be ignored or ridiculed for being in an improper format, I asked for advice on proper procedure; twice in comments directly responding to him and once specifically referencing his mention of a "a formal RFC or something at WT:ITN in order to judge consensus." As I mentioned then he had given the venue, but I was unclear on how to make a formal RFC. This is a problem I have seen here, there is an insistence on arcane procedures but little help or advice for people who don't already know said procedures. --Khajidha (talk) 10:58, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
- Khajidha, it's not very difficult, although it takes a bit of work. The basic instructions are at WP:RFC. You can also read WP:PROPOSAL, which is advice about adopting a guideline or policy, but it has some ideas about how to advertise discussions. User:Beeblebrox/The perfect policy proposal is funny and has some more good advice aimed at controversial proposals. Good luck, WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:55, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
- The Mexican protests began on 26 September, whilst the formation of planets observation was announced on 6 November. But when the Mexican protests are posted after the planets we get the protests at the top, paired with the image of the HL Tauri. Is there a strict policy by which new items are always posted at the top? Would it not be sometimes better to relax this, especially if an item has been in discussion for several days before appearing? Martinevans123 (talk) 08:23, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
- Khajidha, it's not very difficult, although it takes a bit of work. The basic instructions are at WP:RFC. You can also read WP:PROPOSAL, which is advice about adopting a guideline or policy, but it has some ideas about how to advertise discussions. User:Beeblebrox/The perfect policy proposal is funny and has some more good advice aimed at controversial proposals. Good luck, WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:55, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
- Not quite true. Breaking strict chronicity would not require "having free pictures of every event ever". However, I suspect your assessment of the input and outcome of "the same three proposals" is completely accurate. It is sometimes a bit depressing to observe just how much Misplaced Pages has taken on the trappings of bureaucracy. - Tenebris 05:47, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
- The solution to this problem, as has been stated repeatedly over many years, is to have a small caption beneath the picture. 81.152.70.145 (talk) 14:04, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
Just out of curiosity...
...Whilst I don't have particular viewpoint one way or the other about the position of photos in ITN, I find it surprising that it arouses such strong feelings, yet OTD, which has the same issue, never gets mentioned. Do people just not get round to reading that section? Optimist on the run (talk) 08:10, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
- The news there is so outdated, that's why... –HTD 20:44, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
- You are right, it is related to subject age, although there are also other factors. Some ideas -
- 1. OTD is not right up at the top of the page, in one of the primary-view corners. Depending on the size of your screen, it can even be below the fold. (Look up preferred advertising slots, which are heavily based on where the reader's eyes tend to go first.)
- 2. OTD mostly deals with issues which are more than two political terms old, so it is not vulnerable to political agenda in the same way as recent news.
- (Which is not, however, to say that it is completely politics-free. Very few things in the first-language English-speaking world are -- and history is certainly not primary among them.)
- 3. Most of the political argument over OTD occurs on the OTD page, sometimes over wording, sometimes over inclusion at all. You can actually see an echo of those arguments by the kinds of events which don't make it to the front page, to the point of being actively avoided. (Yes, there are some.)
- 4. OTD subjects have mostly already been consensus'ed to be "history-worthy". ITN is a constant battle over "newsworthy enough to be ITN".
- 5. Being history, most OTD articles have already had some time to settle and be overhauled. This sometimes (not always) results in a more neutral POV in the article.
- 6. Equally being history, free-to-use pictures can be easier to obtain, especially from government sources. The majority of active news pictures belong to news agencies or professional news photographers, and are thus not available for Misplaced Pages purposes.
- 7. A very little bit of quirkiness is (sometimes reluctantly) tolerated on the OTD page -- again, specifically because it is not ITN here-and-now. (For some reason, we don't seem to think current events are important unless they are taken seriously. Maybe that explains the constant non-tussle over election results in ITN.)
- So, there is a start in considering some factors. Don't consider this an exhaustive list! - Tenebris 17:27, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
- There's one more: OTD, and the rest of Main Page sections save ITN are replaced after a day; DYK's shorter as it is replaced in 6-8 hours. ITN is the prime real estate here as links stay for a week or even more. If you want maximum exposure for your pet article, go to ITN. Well, it sucks if you're into writing articles that ITN usually excludes such as American college sports or Tongan politics, but you just have to suck it up and learn to write about Gaelic football. –HTD 13:44, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
- You are right, it is related to subject age, although there are also other factors. Some ideas -
Remembrance Day
That's an odd holiday to be left off of "On this Day". Way to go...Correctron (talk) 04:09, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
- The giant orange banner on the top of that article says otherwise. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:13, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
- That's not much of a response. I see no giant orange banner at Remembrance Day anyway. Is that the article you meant? My response would be that it's not a holiday. It's an anniversary. Could be included though. HiLo48 (talk) 05:52, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
- It's a holiday in Canada and observed on various levels all across the Commonwealth. It makes no sense to leave it out but include the other two major holidays that are pretty much the same thing. Correctron (talk) 05:55, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
- Indeed, it's a holiday in Canada. "This article needs additional citations for verification." is the huge orange banner. The other two (similar) holidays do not have the problem banners. See this FAQ for further details. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:57, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
- Also, there's WP:OTDRULES #8, particularly "The selected article (bolded item) must ... be ... free from 'yellow'-level or more severe article issue tags." — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:02, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
- It's a holiday in Canada and observed on various levels all across the Commonwealth. It makes no sense to leave it out but include the other two major holidays that are pretty much the same thing. Correctron (talk) 05:55, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
- Yes. So you feel that one thing is wrong. That does not merit exclusion as it meets other criteria. The rules say that numerous things come into play but you've ruled it out for 1 reason. "The criteria for inclusion in the selected anniversaries queue are rather subjective due to the fact that any given day of the year can have a great many historical events worthy of listing. So relative article quality ALONG with the mix of topics already listed are often deciding factors". "a combination of the "majorness" of the event, the mix of items already listed, and the relative completeness of the article, are the criteria used, along with the requirement for appropriate "context" and minimal compliance" Correctron (talk) 06:26, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
- This has been listed every single year. Literally. How is it possible for this to be singled out now? Where is the precedence? Correctron (talk) 06:32, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
- The tag was only added this October.36.73.47.72 (talk) 07:22, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
- You mean the precedents? Holidays have been left off the list for maintenance tags before. (And of course, the actual OTD items rotate.)
- Anyway, the rules also say to try to keep the holidays down to a total of three. So one was rotated out. Which one? The one that has received ample coverage in previous years, and this year, because of a maintenance issue is technically ineligible.
- 75.69.10.209 (talk) 09:42, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
- Oh, remembrance day is also mentioned elsewhere on the mainpage. 75.69.10.209 (talk) 09:43, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
- This has been listed every single year. Literally. How is it possible for this to be singled out now? Where is the precedence? Correctron (talk) 06:32, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
I've come here to say thanks for today's FA and FP. Both well chosen and fitting - Lest We Forget. Mjroots (talk) 19:24, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
- Yes, well done to everyone involved in putting hard work into the articles, the article choice, and all the other arrangements and updating involved. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 20:39, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
Wikivoyage DotM on WP
Hello, I don't which which is better place to put this request so please feel free to move it to the appropriate page. I'm admin on English Wikivoyabe. Recently, I've been to Italian Misplaced Pages and I saw destination of the month of Italian Wikivoyage was being featured on the Italian WP main page. I started to wonder whether we can avail the benefit as well? Our SEO is still poor as compare to Wikitravels and to increase our readership and editors base, we may need help. I can bring here more Wikivoyage admins for further discussion on the proposal. --Saqib (talk) 13:51, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
- I don't think this is a good idea for the same reason that we don't link to Wikinews in such a way. In this case, a "destination of the month" sounds pretty tacky and subjective and personally I'd argue against including it on this project's main page. — foxj 17:34, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
- There's already a link to Wikivoyage in the 'sister projects' section of the Main Page. We don't promote any content from the other sister projects, so I don't see any reason to treat Wikivoyage differently. Modest Genius 22:56, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
Re. On This Day 15Nov
Xi assumed office in 2012, not 2002 as it currently says.
- It doesn't. Materialscientist (talk) 05:21, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
- It did. See . To the original poster: To report typos in the future, use Misplaced Pages:Main_Page/Errors. It's transcluded at the top of this page, but it's technically a separate page. You get a faster/better response to reports on Main_Page/Errors because there are people who watch for edits there who don't watch for edits on this page. -- 162.238.240.55 (talk) 17:22, 15 November 2014 (UTC)
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