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	:::::There is justification enough given for the tag to be there - remove it and I'll put it back. You could delete the content that needed the tag, the "was rejected by pressure from the White House over its official policy over the Armenian Genocide" claim. ] (]) 20:54, 20 November 2014 (UTC)		:::::There is justification enough given for the tag to be there - remove it and I'll put it back. You could delete the content that needed the tag, the "was rejected by pressure from the White House over its official policy over the Armenian Genocide" claim. ] (]) 20:54, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
	::::::I disagree that it's POV. But I will remove it for now so that it wont obstruct the DYK nomination process. I will return to it after it goes on the main page. ] (]) 21:22, 20 November 2014 (UTC)		::::::I disagree that it's POV. But I will remove it for now so that it wont obstruct the DYK nomination process. I will return to it after it goes on the main page. ] (]) 21:22, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
			:::::::That's fine for a temp fix. When you return it, to avoid the pov tag it has to be explained that it is an unsubstantiated claim, and that legitimate reasons for not allowing the display of the rug were presented by the White House. ] (]) 21:28, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

	==Date it was woven==		==Date it was woven==

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pov tag

I have added this tag to the exhibition section because of the content dealing with the alleged 2013 proposed "exhibition". It contains serious distortions of reality. For example the supposed "exhibition" was just a half-day private viewing as part of a private event to launch a book about the carpet, and the proposal to display it at this private commercial event was rejected due to the proposer being unable to detail how the rug was to be safeguarded, how the cost would be covered, and why it should be made available at all for such a limited event. These reasonable objections were ignored as some Armenian activists rushed to make superficial propaganda to "big themselves up" amongst their community. It had nothing at all to do with "official policy over the Armenian Genocide". I'll add some sources that should enable the npov tag to be removed. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 19:57, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk · contribs) You better do it quick because this is going up for DYK. Étienne Dolet (talk) 20:03, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

I don't think it should go to DYN in its current state. There should be a mention of the exact size of the carpet if there is a source for its exact dimensions (rather than just saying "about") - since it is HUGE. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 20:07, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

But that's not a DYK requirement. At any rate, if you find small problems like that then WP:FIXIT. Étienne Dolet (talk) 20:13, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk · contribs) If you fail to provide verification for your above mentioned claims, then I will have to remove the POV tag. Please find sources that support your initial statement here and amend the article accordingly so we can move forward with this. Étienne Dolet (talk) 20:29, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

There is justification enough given for the tag to be there - remove it and I'll put it back. You could delete the content that needed the tag, the "was rejected by pressure from the White House over its official policy over the Armenian Genocide" claim. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 20:54, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

I disagree that it's POV. But I will remove it for now so that it wont obstruct the DYK nomination process. I will return to it after it goes on the main page. Étienne Dolet (talk) 21:22, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

That's fine for a temp fix. When you return it, to avoid the pov tag it has to be explained that it is an unsubstantiated claim, and that legitimate reasons for not allowing the display of the rug were presented by the White House. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 21:28, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Date it was woven

The Jakob Künzler article says he moved to Ghazir in October 1922 and established the orphanage there. The Armenian Weekly article says he established the carpet weaving factory there, with the implication that this is where the rug was woven. So where does the 1920 date come from? Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 20:56, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

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