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	*In a recent edit summary, ] stated . Can anybody link to the 'discussion a while back in the archives' about rape versus sodomy? ] (]) 05:22, 21 November 2014 (UTC)		*In a recent edit summary, ] stated . Can anybody link to the 'discussion a while back in the archives' about rape versus sodomy? ] (]) 05:22, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

			* In my opinion, for this to be actionable, we'd have to demonstrate that a consensus was established through a previous discussion and Tarc either refused to engage in that discussion or will not respect the consensus that emerged from it. As EdJohnston asked, where is this discussion? If there is no discussion, then everyone on both sides should be trouted and sent back to the talk page to start one. Also, if I am reading the complaint correctly, it seems to be a dispute over the terms "rape" versus "sodomy", but the sources cited feature the former word prominently in either the title or the lead. There cannot be a consensus to rewrite reliable sources. ] <small>(])</small> 06:32, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

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DungeonSiegeAddict510

No action. 01:53, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Request concerning DungeonSiegeAddict510 User who is submitting this request for enforcement 137.111.13.200 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 04:57, 17 November 2014 (UTC) User against whom enforcement is requested DungeonSiegeAddict510 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Search CT alerts: in user talk history • in system log Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it Soapboxing about Gawker media and a commentator, misrepresenting their position as "20k+ white males are doing it purely for "misogyny"" Soapboxing on the arbcom case, promotes conspiracy theories, referred to Gawker as "encouraging domestic abuse under the guise of "feminism" or whatever" and their authors as "sick bullies on their payroll". Dramatically exceed the word limit despite admin notice . Soapboxing on the Arbcom case, claiming that Conservapedia and Encyclopedia Dramatica are more neutral than the WP article Soapboxing on Gamergate discussion page, equating feminism with fearmongering against men ""All men are rapists" "Kill all men" "Die cis scum"" Making nonsensical proposals on talk pages eg, using unsourced images from the internet Violates WP:CIVIL, referred to User:Tarc "It's only because your No True Scotsman BS" Again, soapboxing, referring to a source as "trite from a known troll". On RS noticeboard, claimed that all Gawker sources should be blacklisted, and that they're nothing but clickbait. Soapboxing about OpSkynet, refers to Gawker and GG critics as promoting an echo chamber and censorship Reposted BLP violating material on his talk page Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any Warned about sig policy violations Warned by uninvolved admin for edit warring Indirectly notified for violating WP:FORUM If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them Warned about GG sanctions Oct 28 Additional comments by editor filing complaint DungeonSiegeAddict510's edits largely involves Gamergate , and judging by his edits, he is far interested in pushing a pro-GG POV. foremost He spends a large amounts of discussion soapboxing and aimed at attacking particular editors, such as Ryulong, than work towards the improvement of the article. His edits largely violates WP:CIVIL, WP:FORUM, WP:SOAP, and WP:COMPETENCE. I'm sorry, but to blow me off just because I have no desire to create an account is bizarre, and basic Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines aren't that hard to grasp with a quick read. Furthermore, the vast majority of DSA's edits began on September 23, and has barely editing anything outside of Gamergare. Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested Discussion concerning DungeonSiegeAddict510 Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks. Statement by DungeonSiegeAddict510 I see they've started to harass me anonymously on Misplaced Pages too. As if the drama tosay on IRC involving my dox wasn't enough to deal with. I refuse to comment further on these cherrypicked claims. --DSA510 Pls No H8 06:04, 17 November 2014 (UTC) Statement by Retartist Note, ip user is registered to Macquarie University Retartist (talk) 06:37, 17 November 2014 (UTC) Statement by Avono I would request the Admins to be aware of the following sock puppetry policy before making an enforcement Avoiding scrutiny: Using alternative accounts that are not fully and openly disclosed to split your editing history means that other editors may not be able to detect patterns in your contributions. While this is permitted in certain circumstances (see legitimate uses), it is a violation of this policy to create alternative accounts to confuse or deceive editors who may have a legitimate interest in reviewing your contributions. However the IPs claims are legitimate and DungeonSiegeAddict510 should be warned to be aware of WP:FORUM and Misplaced Pages:Verifiability Avono (talk) 11:47, 17 November 2014 (UTC) Statement by Hasteur I endorse the statement by Avono. The familiarity of the IP address with mineuta of policy suggests WP:BADHAND and potentially evasion. Suggest delivering the official GS/GG notice to the IP since this type of nitpicking is the type of behavior we're trying to curtail. Hasteur (talk) 13:05, 17 November 2014 (UTC) Statement by MarkBernstein It should be remembered that the context of this complaint includes a protracted conflict which is being openly orchestrated off-wiki, and in which the publicly-stated aim of one faction has been to acquire damaging information regarding their wikipedia opponents, including five specifically-named editors. It should be further the remembered that the same faction named three primary "targets" for their movement -- Zoe Quinn, Aninta Sarkeesian, and Brianna Wu -- that official police investigations have been initiated into credible threats against all three targets, and that two of the three have been forced to leave their homes for their own safety. We have here, it is true, a complaint that is carefully drawn up and documented by an IP poster. Had the complaint not been drawn up with great care and thorough documentation, it might well have been dismissed out of hand. Indeed, it might have evoked a strong WP:BOOMERANG as, in the nature of things, a badly-drawn complaint will often appear to be less than civil, to fail to make the appropriate ritual gesture toward AGF and DONTBITE, or simply seem to be a personal attack or an effort to venue shop a conflict dispute. I also point out to admins the real possibility that this page (and satellite pages such as those for notable Gamergate targets) may well be subject to particularly close scrutiny in the future from both the mainstream press and the research community should Gamergate investigations result in one or more prosecutions. In many Misplaced Pages subject-matter conflicts, we can let things play out, confident that the acrimony will eventually settle. Here, however, it is likely that anything more than transient BLP violations -- even if only on talk pages, project pages, or edit messages -- could subject Misplaced Pages to very stern censure or worse. We all fervently hope this does not arise, but if it did, the whole world will literally be watching -- and looking through the edit histories to see how well sanctions were handled. Even if the IP is a sock, she may merely be lodging on anonymous complaint at the place specifically set up for that purpose, and her preference for anonymity might well be prudent and even necessary. That so many pro-GG commentators above do not anticipate this is a shame. MarkBernstein (talk) 16:05, 17 November 2014 (UTC) Statement by Hustlecat I just wanted to say I was planning to make this same request and am very glad to see someone has done it, and done it well. The behavior of the user in question should not be overlooked just because it is a potentially questionable IP user who has posted the request. Hustlecat 18:15, 17 November 2014 (UTC) Result concerning DungeonSiegeAddict510 This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above. Comment While I've noted a tendency to soapbox or digress by DungeonSiegeAddict510, I regard much of what's been posted as either stale or below the threshold at which sanctions might be imposed, and I'm very reluctant to act on the basis of a report from an IP with little in the way of involvement in the topic, given the level of off-wiki activity. I advise DungeonSiegeAddict510 to be careful about soapboxing and against speculation that might be misconstrued . Acroterion (talk) 18:50, 17 November 2014 (UTC) Agree with Acroterion. Though it is hard to see DungeonSiegeAddict510 as making valuable contributions to this topic area, there is no obvious smoking gun. When an IP with no record makes the complaint, you can't rule out that it's actually a participant in the dispute who is trying to avoid scrutiny. I would close this with no action except the warning suggested in Acroterion's comment. EdJohnston (talk) 19:04, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

No action. 01:53, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.
Requests may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.

Request concerning DungeonSiegeAddict510

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: 137.111.13.200 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 04:57, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested: DungeonSiegeAddict510 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Search CT alerts: in user talk history • in system log

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

Soapboxing about Gawker media and a commentator, misrepresenting their position as "20k+ white males are doing it purely for "misogyny""
Soapboxing on the arbcom case, promotes conspiracy theories, referred to Gawker as "encouraging domestic abuse under the guise of "feminism" or whatever" and their authors as "sick bullies on their payroll". Dramatically exceed the word limit despite admin notice .
Soapboxing on the Arbcom case, claiming that Conservapedia and Encyclopedia Dramatica are more neutral than the WP article
Soapboxing on Gamergate discussion page, equating feminism with fearmongering against men ""All men are rapists" "Kill all men" "Die cis scum""
Making nonsensical proposals on talk pages eg, using unsourced images from the internet
Violates WP:CIVIL, referred to User:Tarc "It's only because your No True Scotsman BS"
Again, soapboxing, referring to a source as "trite from a known troll".
On RS noticeboard, claimed that all Gawker sources should be blacklisted, and that they're nothing but clickbait.
Soapboxing about OpSkynet, refers to Gawker and GG critics as promoting an echo chamber and censorship
Reposted BLP violating material on his talk page

Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any

Warned about sig policy violations
Warned by uninvolved admin for edit warring
Indirectly notified for violating WP:FORUM

If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them

Warned about GG sanctions Oct 28

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

DungeonSiegeAddict510's edits largely involves Gamergate , and judging by his edits, he is far interested in pushing a pro-GG POV. foremost He spends a large amounts of discussion soapboxing and aimed at attacking particular editors, such as Ryulong, than work towards the improvement of the article. His edits largely violates WP:CIVIL, WP:FORUM, WP:SOAP, and WP:COMPETENCE.

I'm sorry, but to blow me off just because I have no desire to create an account is bizarre, and basic Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines aren't that hard to grasp with a quick read. Furthermore, the vast majority of DSA's edits began on September 23, and has barely editing anything outside of Gamergare.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Discussion concerning DungeonSiegeAddict510

Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator.
Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.

Statement by DungeonSiegeAddict510

I see they've started to harass me anonymously on Misplaced Pages too. As if the drama tosay on IRC involving my dox wasn't enough to deal with. I refuse to comment further on these cherrypicked claims. --DSA510 Pls No H8 06:04, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Statement by Retartist

Note, ip user is registered to Macquarie University Retartist (talk) 06:37, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Statement by Avono

I would request the Admins to be aware of the following sock puppetry policy before making an enforcement

Avoiding scrutiny: Using alternative accounts that are not fully and openly disclosed to split your editing history means that other editors may not be able to detect patterns in your contributions. While this is permitted in certain circumstances (see legitimate uses), it is a violation of this policy to create alternative accounts to confuse or deceive editors who may have a legitimate interest in reviewing your contributions.

However the IPs claims are legitimate and DungeonSiegeAddict510 should be warned to be aware of WP:FORUM and Misplaced Pages:Verifiability Avono (talk) 11:47, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Statement by Hasteur

I endorse the statement by Avono. The familiarity of the IP address with mineuta of policy suggests WP:BADHAND and potentially evasion. Suggest delivering the official GS/GG notice to the IP since this type of nitpicking is the type of behavior we're trying to curtail. Hasteur (talk) 13:05, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Statement by MarkBernstein

It should be remembered that the context of this complaint includes a protracted conflict which is being openly orchestrated off-wiki, and in which the publicly-stated aim of one faction has been to acquire damaging information regarding their wikipedia opponents, including five specifically-named editors. It should be further the remembered that the same faction named three primary "targets" for their movement -- Zoe Quinn, Aninta Sarkeesian, and Brianna Wu -- that official police investigations have been initiated into credible threats against all three targets, and that two of the three have been forced to leave their homes for their own safety.

We have here, it is true, a complaint that is carefully drawn up and documented by an IP poster. Had the complaint not been drawn up with great care and thorough documentation, it might well have been dismissed out of hand. Indeed, it might have evoked a strong WP:BOOMERANG as, in the nature of things, a badly-drawn complaint will often appear to be less than civil, to fail to make the appropriate ritual gesture toward AGF and DONTBITE, or simply seem to be a personal attack or an effort to venue shop a conflict dispute.

I also point out to admins the real possibility that this page (and satellite pages such as those for notable Gamergate targets) may well be subject to particularly close scrutiny in the future from both the mainstream press and the research community should Gamergate investigations result in one or more prosecutions. In many Misplaced Pages subject-matter conflicts, we can let things play out, confident that the acrimony will eventually settle. Here, however, it is likely that anything more than transient BLP violations -- even if only on talk pages, project pages, or edit messages -- could subject Misplaced Pages to very stern censure or worse. We all fervently hope this does not arise, but if it did, the whole world will literally be watching -- and looking through the edit histories to see how well sanctions were handled. Even if the IP is a sock, she may merely be lodging on anonymous complaint at the place specifically set up for that purpose, and her preference for anonymity might well be prudent and even necessary. That so many pro-GG commentators above do not anticipate this is a shame. MarkBernstein (talk) 16:05, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Statement by Hustlecat

I just wanted to say I was planning to make this same request and am very glad to see someone has done it, and done it well. The behavior of the user in question should not be overlooked just because it is a potentially questionable IP user who has posted the request. Hustlecat 18:15, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Result concerning DungeonSiegeAddict510

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.

Comment While I've noted a tendency to soapbox or digress by DungeonSiegeAddict510, I regard much of what's been posted as either stale or below the threshold at which sanctions might be imposed, and I'm very reluctant to act on the basis of a report from an IP with little in the way of involvement in the topic, given the level of off-wiki activity. I advise DungeonSiegeAddict510 to be careful about soapboxing and against speculation that might be misconstrued . Acroterion (talk) 18:50, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
Agree with Acroterion. Though it is hard to see DungeonSiegeAddict510 as making valuable contributions to this topic area, there is no obvious smoking gun. When an IP with no record makes the complaint, you can't rule out that it's actually a participant in the dispute who is trying to avoid scrutiny. I would close this with no action except the warning suggested in Acroterion's comment. EdJohnston (talk) 19:04, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Tarc

Request concerning Tarc

User who is submitting this request for enforcement: Retartist (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) 01:05, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested: Tarc (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
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Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

If discretionary sanctions are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts)

Tarc (talk · contribs) – notified by RGloucester

Discussion concerning Tarc

Statement by Tarc

Whatever consensus may have existed in a weeks-to months old discussion is not binding in perpetuity, as consensus can change. The sources cited in the passage in question predominantly use the word "rape" over the milder "sodomy". Tarc (talk) 01:49, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

I have nothing more to state on the merits of the subject matter itself, as my statement above is IMO sufficient. Admins, do note that Retartist is canvassing editors of a like-minded point-of-view here and here, and while this user will likely engage in excuse-making about only alerting editors that were directly involved, it is curious that Mr. Retartist failed to inform me of this filing; I only knew of it because i had the page watch-listed. This entire filing is nothing more than game-playing antics egged on by his friends at 8chan, the group which Retartist is the self-appointed Wiki-spokesman of, e.g. the page that is subject to the still-open Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/User talk:Retartist/8chanstuff. Tarc (talk) 04:55, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Statement by Strongjam

There is limited discussion about the exact wording in the talk archives from what I can see, and no current discussion about it on the talk page. I'd suggest the editors involved try to resolve the content dispute there first. This request seems premature. — Strongjam (talk) 02:16, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Statement by uninvolved RGloucester

This request strikes me as odd. The user who submitted it failed to provide a statement, and has not said what action he'd like to be taken. I suggest that he make such a statement if he wishes for any action to be taken here. RGloucester — ☎ 02:34, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Statement by MarkBernstein

This is simply an effort to escalate an edit war, hoping sanctions will squelch the opponent. Note that editors have been organizing at 8chan specifically seeking precisely this scenario. Moreover, on the merits, it appears Tarc is right. Application of WikTrout may be ineffective, BOOMERANG would be advisable as complainant is NOTHERE to improve the encyclopedia.MarkBernstein (talk) 02:56, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Statement by Retartist

I submitted this request as i noticed that there seemed to be the start of an edit war occurring on the draft page. Tarc had reverted two separate editors without discussion on the talk page, and by his edit summary "Consensus doesn't override the fact that it is describes as "rape" far more often in the 2 cited sources. Go start on the talk page anew if you think your WP:SYNTH-based argument carries the day." Tarc knows that he was against consensus but still tried to change the text towards his pov. Recommend a block of appropriate time (with reference to previous if any blocks) for edit warring against consensus. Also this talk of a boomerang is absurd as i made no edits over this particular point. _{P.s. the submission form is difficult to use} Retartist (talk) 03:40, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

@Tarc: Consensus can change but there was no discussion about it. The only consensus was in your head, or against your edit Retartist (talk) 03:54, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Statement by Tutelary

As the person who has reverted Tarc (and subsequently he reverted back), it's been evident that if they hadn't have been brought here for their conduct to be discussed according to sanctions, that they would've continued reverting. This was already have been discussed on the talk page in the archives and the fact that they're wanting to sling dirt into an issue already having been resolved is really telling. Tarc also did not go to the talk page when reverted, continuing to revert (and also manually editing the article so I wouldn't get that red +1 for the revert) and thus bringing an edit war. This is a failure of WP:BRD, a well respected way to gain consensus on certain topics. Tarc evidently is aware of this but chooses not to follow this, preferring to reinstate his own changes rather than discuss them. Also, not to derail this reply, but MarkBernstein complaining about Retartist filing a sanctions request while subsequently wanting to get him blocked for doing so, when he just accused him of trying to get 'sanctions to squelch his opponent' is also quite telling. Check your words before you write them. In essence, Tarc should be remanded for this but the exact punishment--whether a severe warning or a small block I do not know. An admin telling Tarc to not behave in this manner may be warranted, but this behavior isn't new, so I don't know. Tutelary (talk) 04:05, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Statement by DSA510

Tarc is clearly trying to charge the article in a way that slanders TFYC, and supports a bogus claim. Its like the birther movement talking about Obama. They hold onto wild and baseless claims backed by pseudoscience and speculation. In an already biased article, more bias makes it worse. Quick note to MarkBernstein, I, the high czar of GamerHate (Sponsored by Doritos™), will reveal the true nature of the threads on hatechan. They were to make you go insane. But in all seriousness, MB's claims now are bordering on the absurd. --DSA510 Pls No H8 04:18, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Statement by Cobbsaladin

I don't have much to add that's not apparent in the revision history. Regarding which word is more correct: the second source is a "boing boing" summary of the first and in the first the author describes it as sodomy. He uses "rape" only in quotes and paraphrases from tweet and blog sources.

Statement by (username)

Result concerning Tarc

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.

In a recent edit summary, User:Tutelary stated (while reverting Aquilion and restoring the word sodomy) "This was discussed a while back in the archives, this was the result of said compromise. I endorse it and I dissent against your revert of such". Can anybody link to the 'discussion a while back in the archives' about rape versus sodomy? EdJohnston (talk) 05:22, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

In my opinion, for this to be actionable, we'd have to demonstrate that a consensus was established through a previous discussion and Tarc either refused to engage in that discussion or will not respect the consensus that emerged from it. As EdJohnston asked, where is this discussion? If there is no discussion, then everyone on both sides should be trouted and sent back to the talk page to start one. Also, if I am reading the complaint correctly, it seems to be a dispute over the terms "rape" versus "sodomy", but the sources cited feature the former word prominently in either the title or the lead. There cannot be a consensus to rewrite reliable sources. Gamaliel (talk) 06:32, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

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