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Hi, Kevin! Just wanted to follow up on Chris Troutman's virtual intro. Would love to talk with you about your experience at Cal as Wikipedian in residence. Nafpaktitism (talk) 17:43, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

• Hi @Nafpaktitism: - unfortunately I was hospitalized for an extended period of time, but feel free to drop me a line and I should be back to being fairly responsive. Kevin Gorman (talk) 23:51, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
• @Kevin Gorman: Glad you're on the mend! I'm moving house locally and driving across country over the next few weeks, but will be back in town by January and will look you up then to see if we can talk. Nafpaktitism (talk) 18:02, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

YGM

I have read Misplaced Pages for years. I know that if it looks like you are sticking up for a bad user, you can be accused of being a sock. You blocked Eating Glass. It looks like he is American. I am from and edit in another country.

I looked at that user. He was blocked and his block ended. Since then he said sorry and edited reasonably. Therefore, your block will probably cause harm to Misplaced Pages because it is mean and punitive. There is no evidence of harm done since his block epired two days ago. I urge you to unblock because it is tge right thing.

Think of if you were fined paid the bill then jailed fr the same charge. WackyPancakesDie (talk) 02:18, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

I've sent you a mail. Do check when you have some time to spare. Thanks! - NQ (talk) 18:24, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Busse

The name was an honest mistake, sorry. Can I email you about a related thing? No point if you are only going to be on en-WP intermittently but if you're likely to be showing up here a few times a week then it might be of use. - Sitush (talk) 07:29, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

• Feel free. I should be back to being on ENWP regularly for the forseeable future, with the exception of perhaps a week sometimes in December. I figured the name was just a mistake; with the amount of crap IAC has flung at ENWP it's hard to justify holding anyone to the letter of WP:OUTING (hell, during the whole Wiki-PR thing I deliberately broke WP:OUTING multiple times myself, including on arbcom pages.) It's hard to worry too much about the privacy rights of people who have both not been too cautious about concealing their identity in the past and who have socked this much. Kevin Gorman (talk) 07:33, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks, and done. Let me know if you want anything else. - Sitush (talk) 07:41, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

• Oh, and if you haven't disabled the Busse TP + email access, I'd recommend doing it now. You'll likely be flooded otherwise. - Sitush (talk) 07:42, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Smart, perky and on top of the issues, just like you! Yay!!

Carolmooredc (Talkie-Talkie) 15:12, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

Your bet

I'd like to take you up on your wager, $20 wasn't it? I don't know if it's allowed to post links to your mailing list, so I won't, but I'm certain you know what I'm referring to regardless. Eric Corbett 19:55, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

• Change the four months to six months (and a couple other bits) and you've got yourself a deal. Assuming there is no arbcom case stemming from the GGTF where you are a named party (and I promise I won't name you myself,) and you are either not at all blocked for incivility or your first block sticks, I'll either Paypal you $20 or find you a way to get you something decent from your local bottleshop. I assume you'd trust @Drmies: to facilitate that if necessary, since I doubt you'd want me having easy personal on you (though I'd never do anything with it.) If I welch, unless it is because of a major health crisis (@Keilana: has enough contact with me irl that she'll judge that part,) that means I am not capable of arranging such a thing, I invite any bureaucrat to desysop me for welching (I wish there was a way to guarantee that, but sadly I don't think I can.) Assuming you welch on the $20 or the bottle and there is an arbcom case, you agree to a one month long block with autoblock turned on, TPA revoked, and all the normal penalties for block evasion (though feel free to name someone who would know if you were severely ill just in case.) Of course, if either of us were that regularly making major Misplaced Pages edits would demonstrate we weren't ill enough to be unable to follow through. Agreeable. Are you up for a general role in moderating a rather interesting contest, Dr? Best Kevin Gorman (talk) 13:55, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

  I don't understand the need for all these elaborate penalties for welching, why would either of us do that? Otherwise your terms seem agreeable to me. Eric Corbett 14:20, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

  Although it's unlikely to ever recur, I spent sixty days as an outpatient at the Mayo Clinic this year (which, at Mayo, means eleven hours of doctors appointments a day) and didn't have remotely consistent internet access. I'd hate to have something like that happen and have you think it was intentional. Otherwise, I'm actually pretty interested in how this ends up turning out, and you stopping by my talk page has given me a tiny bit of faith that this whole thing won't actually explode twice as dramatically as it already has. Kevin Gorman (talk) 14:29, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

  (watching): Old German joke: Says the aunt "If you don't use that dirty word again, I give you 10 Pfennig." Reply: "I also a know a word for 50 Pfennig." - Kevin, sorry to hear about the clinic, best wishes for your health. Did you ever take the healthy stroll? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:39, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

  Non-sarcastically, I always enjoy your posts, Gerda. I'm going to need to borrow that line one day :). Kevin Gorman (talk) 09:05, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

  If Drmies was agreeable I'd be happy for him to hold my stake money so there could be no welching on my part. Eric Corbett 14:57, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

• Eh...what are we contesting? Eric goes without a civility block for six months? Eric, do you know that I've met Kevin in real life and he's alright with me? Kevin, do you know that I've stood Eric a drink (in real life) and he's alright with me? But I'm straying. First confirm what we're talking about, please. Drmies (talk) 22:43, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

  Perhaps Kevin will provide you with the relevant link to his gender gap mailing list. Eric Corbett 23:11, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

  I don't think there is a problem with linking to a Wikimedia mailing list: The Gendergap Archives. The post in question is here. Re the issue, anyone wanting to see why some arbs would ban CMDC can examine my comment here (I also noted that Eric needs a kick). It's true that repeated bad words can drive away some editors, but much more damage is done by people who are unwilling to engage with underlying issues and learn from them. Johnuniq (talk) 01:46, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

  Agreed. The sooner Eric Corbett can find sufficient maturity within himself to move beyond the sorts of behaviour that have been noted as problematic in the arbcom case, the sooner we can all consider such arbcom cases and any other related complaints, to be unnecessary and a thing of the past. I look forward to those days, and my understanding is that Eric Corbett has made a commitment in that direction as well. We live in hope. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 02:26, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

  You may want to reconsider that word "maturity", which I find to be quite insulting as I'm not some snotty-nosed kid. Eric Corbett 02:38, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

  I think we've discussed this before. I'm quite patient with all manner of kids, including middle-aged ones, pretend ones, snotty-nosed ones, and even the few real chronological ones that turn up here. (Some Americans consider a 25-year-old a "kid", in some circumstances.) And I treat you all the same. Act like one, you get treated like one. Act like an adult, Eric, and you will get treated like an adult. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 03:06, 30 November 2014 (UTC) (Quick hint - the "I am more special than anyone else!" behaviour does not fall on the adult side of the behaviour spectrum. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 03:10, 30 November 2014 (UTC) )

  Demiurge1000, one can use "kids" in some kinds of ways, not all kinds of ways, and I find it inappropriate and condescending here--and sorry, but I don't quite understand what you're doing here; your opinions are well known and appreciated, of course, but I doubt they'll further anything in this conversation. Sorry Demiurge, I call 'em as I see 'em. Drmies (talk) 17:06, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

  Eric introduced the word, not I. As for what I'm doing here, I'm sure Kevin will ask me to leave his talk page (or this part of it) alone if I'm causing disruption to the wonderfully constructive direction the conversation is presumably destined to proceed in. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 17:25, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

  I introduced the word, really? What word are you talking about? Maturity? It seems as clear as day that it was introduced rather prominently and unnecessarily by you just a few postings above. Eric Corbett 19:36, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

  The word Drmies put in quotes, which is the one he objects to in his comment. As for your maturity, or lack thereof, I too "call 'em as I see 'em". --Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:51, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

  Then we clearly see different things. But I believe we can both agree that continuing with this discussion is unlikely to prove fruitful. Eric Corbett 19:55, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

• @Drmies:: the link John posted got the gist of it. I think arbcom should generally aim to slice the gordian knot, and don't think they've done so here. I'll be ecstatic if I'm wrong, but I don't see the decision as currently proposed as avoiding further arbcom involvement w/r/t Eric and civility, or with Eric not getting blocks under the remedy. Kevin Gorman (talk) 09:05, 30 November 2014 (UTC)
  • I'll have a look when I can, Kevin--apparently this is not a simple bet y'all are placing. Drmies (talk) 17:06, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Wow

Removing rollback rights of a 10 year editor because someone is using a primary source and won't let a clearly biased editor censor that sources information? Maybe you should ban that guy for redacting information in a primary source without discussion huh? Terrible admin. Xander756 (talk) 08:56, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

You used your rollback rights inappropriately to twice restore without discussion negative claims made about two separate living people without an appropriate source (GLV doesn't cut it.) You are presumably aware of the requirements of rollback, since you previously ran in to the same issue. It would seriously be a good idea to read WP:BOOMERANG. Kevin Gorman (talk) 08:58, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Nope. They were used properly. You can't redact information from a primary source without discussion. Doing so is vandalism and rollback is used to revert multiple edits of vandalism. You also replied without looking into the case at all considering how quickly you intervened after my post on the incident board, it is quite obvious you did not like at his or my posting history. He is an anti-gamergate troll. I am a long-time editor of wikipedia without a single edit on another gamergate. He is biased. I am not. Try again. Xander756 (talk) 09:00, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Rollback should never be used without explanation to gain the upperhand in a content dispute, let alone one where you posted negative accusations against two living people sourced to a non-RS third party website. Kevin Gorman (talk) 09:19, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Feminism

I am currently talking to a news site that is working on a piece about your behavior tonight which may be sent to Jimmy Wales. Looking through your bio and edits, it seems that you are a feminist. Is this the case? Please let me know so it can be accurate. Xander756 (talk) 09:14, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

• If I may, Kevin: Xander756, you say "you are a feminist" like it's a dirty word. But even if you're not, can I just suggest to you that "feminist" is not some sort of singular label like "squirrel" or "slightly balding", and that the question "are you a feminist?" is not a simple yes or no question. Unless you want a basic definition: Feminism is the crazy notion that women are humans too. Drmies (talk) 17:09, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Xander sanctions

While I agree that Xander's actions were in violation of policy, there are issues with your actions regarding him. Being a feminist does not make someone involved, but you have been highly active and very much involved regarding articles covering feminism and men's rights. Sarkeesian is a feminist critic and her vlog is called "Feminist Frequency" so you are involved regarding her bio. You also did make a few opinionated comments regarding the Christina Sommers BLP as well on Jimbo's talk and Sommers is a prominent GamerGate figure. There is also a procedural issue regarding your use of the general sanctions as Xander had only just been notified of the sanctions. He stopped making objectionable BLP claims soon after that. A block and removal of rollback rights was probably appropriate, though I do not believe you are the one who should have made that call. The topic ban, however, appears to be inappropriate on procedural grounds.--The Devil's Advocate _{tlk. cntrb.} 20:17, 30 November 2014 (UTC)