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Thanks. Have filled up the form. Tintin 17:00, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Many thanks. However - I'm stuck on the last step. I have qualms about revealing my identity to the WMF as it is, but being required to fill out a Google form? I'm mulling whether that's a deal breaker. Google cannot be trusted. Has anyone else raised this issue? Yngvadottir (talk) 17:21, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

@Yngvadottir: Yes, others have rankled at revealing true name although their objection was not specific to Google. I could inquire about having you e-mail me that information directly, but Google would still have it that way rather than the form. Speaking for The Misplaced Pages Library, we've already signed non-disclosure agreements to protect the private information of editors. Ultimately, this is information BNA requires for your access. If your anonymity is that important to you, it may have to come at the cost of resources like this. Chris Troutman (talk) 17:39, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I read the BNA privacy page and am ok with that, and I applied on the understanding that the WMF would have the information, but why must Google also have it? I don't have a Google Plus account for that reason. Does Google ultimately own brightline whatsit? Yngvadottir (talk) 17:44, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

@Yngvadottir: Ok, if you can communicate your information to me I can pass it along to BNA without involving Google. Is there a particular mail service you feel comfortable with? I assume if you want to avoid Google docs you want to avoid gmail, too? Chris Troutman (talk) 17:36, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

That would be great - I trust you lot. Yes, I'd rather avoid gmail. I gather that's what you use here. Do you do IRC? I lurk a lot (like right now), registered as Rihan. PM me. Yngvadottir (talk) 19:32, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Chris I went to sign up and it said it would email to confirm and it never did. Can you sort it?♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:04, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

Emailed.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:13, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

@Dr. Blofeld: Your BNA account was created. You should have received a confirmation e-mail and you can request a resend by logging-in and going to the "my account" area. If it's still a problem, my contact recommends you use BNA's customer support. Let me know if issues persist. Otherwise, enjoy your year of access. BNA is happy to support prolific editors like you. Chris Troutman (talk) 16:24, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

I know, I requested a resend 4 times and still didn't get an email!! I've contacted support, hopefully I'll get a response soon.♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:35, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

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punctuation

Please look at this edit. Ranges of years, ranges of pages, etc., require an en-dash, not a hyphen, as do things like "Russell–Saunders". (And in some other situations, a hyphen is right and an en-dash is wrong. See WP:MOS.) Michael Hardy (talk) 17:55, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I had been content to let AWB editors worry about that sort of stuff; I'm writing content. In consideration of your request, I've installed User:GregU/dashes so I'll fix articles I'm working on. Chris Troutman (talk) 00:27, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Disruptive behavior

What happens here, when one can not dispute the several sources that affirm our latest edit? In fact, it's already clear that the sources can't be negated. At the end of the discussion, Laveol and his/her anonymous IP profile can not dispute the sources, and still does not accept the edit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.126.242.208 (talk • contribs)

@79.126.242.208: Well, there are a couple ways to proceed:

1. Post a Request for Comment. A larger community will chime in. Anyone resisting the consensus can be dealt with formally.
2. As the discussion has remained civil WP:ANI isn't the optimal solution. As this looks like a slow edit war. You can report it to WP:AN3.
3. Don't bother. When the partisans come out, I question what good is served fighting them. Clearly WMF doesn't care or checkuser tools could be used more easily and IPs could be summarily blocked. Per WP:CONSENSUS, you only have to voice disagreement once and perpetually revert after that. The discussion has established a consensus that Macedonian nationalism is a recent invention not applicable to the Ottoman Empire. An article about the millet system (which is really a misnomer anyway, if you've read Najwa al-Qattan) isn't the place to hash this out. Surely a consensus at an article about Macedonian nationalism would make more sense. Chris Troutman (talk) 23:42, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

Well, neither discussion, nor the concerning paragraph in the article are about the Macedonian nationalism, but - the existence of the Macedonian ethnicity through the centuries. Those are completely different things, I believe. 79.126.227.104 (talk) 02:01, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

By the way, thanks for the guidance.

I've just noticed, somebody's explained that we do not talk about the Macedonian national state ideology: according to the latter definition of the term "nation," the Macedonian nation was formed when the Macedonian nation state was established. Today, a nation is the people in a sovereign state. But, more than 100 - 150 years ago, "nation" meant - separate people, meant what we today call "ethnicity".

"Ethnicity" is also a tricky concept but yes, nationalism in the nation-state context didn't come about until modernity while the Israelites, Egyptians, and Han Chinese could each claim to be a nation stretching to the beginning of civilization. Although I'm not an expert on Balkans history, I'd suggest that the ethnic form of nationalism is in many cases really a backward-looking revisionist invention also dating to modernity. The discussion should focus on source material relating to an applicable millet.

I don't doubt that ethnic Macedonians (Christians) probably experienced some preferential treatment through a millet-like political accommodation. The issue is that the literature doesn't seem to bear that out per se and people trying to push a modern Macedonian nationalism want to rewrite history. I know the story of Alexander the Great is a magnet for this sort of thing. I don't care either way. I'd support a Greater Macedonia (much as I'd support an independent Kurdistan) but I don't think they've been oppressed, either. That conversation is done as far as I'm concerned. Chris Troutman (talk) 03:20, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

I'm sorry that you've got wrong impression, but I clearly stated that the Macedonian nationalism is another subject. Am I wrong? The debate about forming the Macedonian nation, on which you claim reached consensus, I'm convinced that HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PARAGRAPH HERE AND THE LIST of the ethnicities. In the article there are listed ETHNICITIES, not NATIONS (as we understood the word today). 79.126.168.215 (talk) 19:01, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

We see that the word nation is a problem. Should we remove the sources from 200 years ago, where the Macedonian ethnicity is called "nation"? 79.126.168.215 (talk) 19:06, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

The misunderstanding was mine. Did you read #3 above? That's you. You're the partisan pushing Macedonian nationalism. You've used the word "we" a lot to refer to yourself so, to borrow a line from Magnum Force: "who's we, sucka?" What nationalist collective am I talking to?

The issue here is, were Orthodox Christian Macedonians included in the Rum Millet? Probably. Do the sources say that? No. Sources don't list the ethnic Macedonians as specific members of the millet. Why are you pushing to include them? Answer: because you're a partisan. This is the extent of the argument. Had you not been pushing this, I wouldn't have had the article protected. Now that it is, you might try being more reasonable. Chris Troutman (talk) 19:32, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Оh, this is ridiculous - Sources don't list the ethnic Macedonians as specific members of the millet. The other ethnicities were also never explicitly referred as being part of the Rum-millet, but the sources say that they existed as separate entities, don't they? It's kind of funny how concerned you are that I, "a Macedonian nationalist," "try to rewrite the history" but by showing already written evidence. 79.126.168.215 (talk) 21:04, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

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DYK for W. Conway Pierce

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GA Cup - Round 3

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The Czech Ribbon of National Merit

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Akhenaten

I found etymology on this page: XVIII Dynasty Xand2 金日光旦照 (talk) 14:45, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

http://www.narmer.pl/indexen.htm

@Xand2: That's not a reliable source, so it can't be used on Misplaced Pages. It's also not allowed to steal someone else's work and pass it off as your own, especially if their work is copyrighted. Chris Troutman (talk) 15:45, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

About my other words they are from free Ancient Egyptian dictionary Dickson and out of copyright dictionary by Wallis Budge vol 1 and 2 on Archive org.Perhaps you didn't notice at the time my edits were made, I was mostly on Croatian Misplaced Pages (hr) and made here only about eight new edits today, perhaps I was editing for awhile and didn't notice and you made warnings in intervals of several minutes only and on Sarcophagus article it is neb ankh lord of life just as my etymology.

If you are having problems searching Egyptian dictionary you can look here: Ꜣ (A) Ꜥ (a) ḥ (H) ḫ (x) ẖ (X) š (S) ḳ (q) ṯ (T) ḏ (D), you can set in PDF that word is whole or case sensitive.First part is official Ancient Egyptian transliteration and second is in Latin alphabet for those that cannot see these characters you can use free Dejavu font to view it.I hope that helps. Xand2 金日光旦照 (talk) 19:27, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

• https://archive.org/details/DictionaryOfMiddleEgyptian

• https://archive.org/details/Budge.AnEgyptianHieroglyphicDictionary.vol.1

And you reported me as vandal which isn't true you can see my contributions that after 15:23 UTC is my last edit on Hathor page rest is on my talk page and Chris talk page.If you look at my talk page where Chris posted last three warnings it is in:15:47, 15:48, 15:49 UTC at that time I was mostly on Croatian Misplaced Pages and didn't see it.My Egyptian words are mostly from free Dickson dictionary which is creative commons licence. Xand2 金日光旦照 (talk) 19:45, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

I've already given you sufficient warning and advice. If you would source your edits Wikipedians would stop reverting you. Chris Troutman (talk) 19:58, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

You can look at Croatian Misplaced Pages Xand2 contributions and will see that after 15:48 I have only edited Croatian Misplaced Pages articles till 17:44 and on English Misplaced Pages only talk pages since then and you posted three warnings after 15:47 which I didn't see most in short time ranging from one to three minutes in which I didn't edit any English Misplaced Pages articles.I noticed after seeing that you have reported me as vandal that in your edit summary was warnings which I also didn't see.What about Dickson dictionary it is creative commons licence and Budge dictionary is out of copyright, so can I post Egyptian words if I make reference? Xand2 金日光旦照 (talk) 20:15, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

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Ballotpedia

See its Talk page. I think the response answers your question about Champaign Supernova. 71.23.178.214 (talk) 19:34, 9 December 2014 (UTC)