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His latest efforts have included following me to this article, , to confront my edits. ] (]) 20:40, 10 December 2014 (UTC) His latest efforts have included following me to this article, , to confront my edits. ] (]) 20:40, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
:Would you please respond to the points raised, Epeefleche, rather than misuse this talk page by making spurious personal attacks. Are you capable of doing that and assuming good faith? The insertion of a npov tag is meant to provoke discussion towards improving an article, not to provoke bad faith accusations. ] (]) 22:05, 10 December 2014 (UTC) :Would you please respond to the points raised, Epeefleche, rather than misuse this talk page by making spurious personal attacks. Are you capable of doing that and assuming good faith? The insertion of a npov tag is meant to provoke discussion towards improving an article, not to provoke bad faith accusations. ] (]) 22:05, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
::Given the background indicated above, I think its fair to say that the duckish behavior calls for a suspension of our usual assumption of good faith. The hounding is by no means a spurious attack, nor is my pointing out that you have been cautioned to stop it by other editors. It is relevant that you followed me here, as you have done for weeks now on other articles, to confront my edits. That helps editors evaluate the nature of your comments. I think all language indicated is appropriately sourced (now, by even more sources), and there is no reason for the tag. ] (]) 22:21, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

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Where did this huge chunk of material come from? You need to cite your sources and use reference citations. All articles must meet WP:N and WP:V. Also, no original research is allowed per WP:OR. Check these policies out. If you provide this information via citing appropriate references, your article will not have a problem. Mattisse(talk) 21:56, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

For the record

The original upload, as edited by XOHottie at 21:24, 10 August 2006, was a wholesale WP:COPYVIO dump from www.icmec.org Overview of Programs - ICMEC International Centre also available in PDF format. Poeticbent talk 17:01, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Koons Family Institute on International Law and Policy

I tagged this section as pov. I removed the pov "abducted" allegation against Ilona Staller, but have realized there are serious problems with that whole section. The linking with an organization titled "International Centre for Missing & Exploited Children" and the statement that "the issue of child abduction is personal to Koons" still has serious blp violations since it all but states that Staller was guilty of child abduction and exploitation. In addition, the wording in much of the section is appallingly pov. For example, Staller is described (for no good reason, since it has nothing to do with the subject of the article) as a "porn actress". If we allow this, surely for balance we should have Koons described as a "porn actor" or a "pornographer" since, during their brief marriage, he produced works for sale depicting them having sex. Is the real reason for mentioning "porn actress" because most of the section is about the Family Institute on International Law and Policy and child pornography, with the intended implication that Staller is not just an abductor and exploiter of children but something more? Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 17:25, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

More weasel or pov wording. The paragraph beginning "ICMEC found in its initial report that only 27 countries had legislation needed to deal with child pornography offenses". This entire paragraph is just a series of claims made by ICMEC, not even a claim made by or supported by a neutral third party, so it should be worded to reflect that. We have more weasel in "ICMEC has worked with legislatures in 100 countries to adopt new laws combating child pornography". We have sources given for this. The first is invalid, being a press release from ICMEC. the second, Rhona Schuz (2014). The Hague Child Abduction Convention: A Critical Analysis. A&C Black. pp. 82–83, makes no mention of at all of child pornography, but talks about a conference on child custody problems in which the ICMEC took part, and which, according to the source resulted in "little to solve the problems". The third source is a strategic plan by the Hague Conference on Private International Law which again does not mention child pornography once. The last of the 4 sources talks about ICMEC being involved in training law enforcement officers in Thailand about child exploitation issues. This is not "working with legislatures to adopt new laws". So the seemingly 4-sourced "ICMEC has worked with legislatures in 100 countries to adopt new laws combating child pornography" claim is actually unsourced. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 18:01, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
  • This is the background to the above by Tip.

Since a dispute weeks ago, he has followed me around the Project to confront my edits, at articles he had never edited before. For which he has been warned by sysop Callanecc, among others (see here).

His latest efforts have included following me to this article, and to the DYK nomination of this article, to confront my edits. Epeefleche (talk) 20:40, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Would you please respond to the points raised, Epeefleche, rather than misuse this talk page by making spurious personal attacks. Are you capable of doing that and assuming good faith? The insertion of a npov tag is meant to provoke discussion towards improving an article, not to provoke bad faith accusations. Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 22:05, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
Given the background indicated above, I think its fair to say that the duckish behavior calls for a suspension of our usual assumption of good faith. The hounding is by no means a spurious attack, nor is my pointing out that you have been cautioned to stop it by other editors. It is relevant that you followed me here, as you have done for weeks now on other articles, to confront my edits. That helps editors evaluate the nature of your comments. I think all language indicated is appropriately sourced (now, by even more sources), and there is no reason for the tag. Epeefleche (talk) 22:21, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
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