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All significant coverage is only marginally about the person and primarily about 8chan/GamerGate (who have their own articles, of course). The only exception is about the thievery and his disease, which both seem ill-advised pillars upon which to build an entire article (per WP:BLP1E and WP:AVOIDVICTIM).

Keep in mind that the fact he is interviewed as a significant voice in the Gamergate/8chan situation may mean he is a reliable source for his opinion(s), but does not mean he is directly notable.

A secondary possibility would be a merge to a paragraph in the article about his definitely notable project, 8chan. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 03:33, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Everymorning talk to me 03:44, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

• Redirect to 8chan. Doesn't seem particularly notable apart from the site, agree with the nom's assessment of the article's sources. Doesn't have the coverage level of Zoe Quinn or similar to warrant an article on Gamergate. Would have suggested a merge to 8chan but the article seems to already have him (and the rest of the usable information on his page) covered substantially. Deadbeef 05:18, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
• Keep I think Brennan actually had better claims for notability than 8chan for a while there given non-GamerGate coverage of his disability and his mugging, but 8chan also has independent coverage at this point. There is now sufficient basis under WP:GNG for articles on both 8chan and Frederick Brennan.--The Devil's Advocate _{tlk. cntrb.} 01:55, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
• Keep. We have both sources and notabilty (creator of 8chan). I don't see any complaints about our page on Christopher Poole. This is just gamergate politics spilling into related articles. Muscat Hoe (talk) 02:31, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks for your input; I'd like to clarify I am not taking any stance in any Gamergate-related discussion. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 06:22, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

• Keep Has shown to be notable outside of 8chan Loganmac (talk) 03:09, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
• Keep The Al Jazeera America article and the New York Times article are significant coverage, and don't even mention 8chan or GamerGate. They are about him and his life. His life happens to be continuously influenced by his disability - he can't walk, he can barely pick anything up, his tools to do something as simple as turn on faucets break every month, pretty much all he can do is type. But that's not an event, that's a life. Having a disability is not WP:BLP1E. We have plenty of articles about people notable strictly due to their disability, from Terry Wiles to Joseph Merrick to almost all the Category:People with gigantism, to ... no doubt everyone can think of many many others. Yes, those two articles about his life despite his disability by themselves would suffice for WP:GNG. But that's not all he's notable for. He's not WP:AVOIDVICTIM. He's not a victim, solely the face of his disability, he's very much his own man. He's notable for, despite his disability, and holding down two jobs, doing things that had nothing to do with his disability, namely founding 8chan, and being a prominent voice on GamerGate. He is the person that the Huffington Post and The David Pakman Show - major sources - went to for long interviews about it. Ryulong, who no doubt will be here soon to argue for deletion, wrote on the article talk page: "he's certainly no Helen Keller", and that's quite right. Helen Keller got most of her fame from her disabilities; Fredrick Brennan is getting fame for something that has nothing to do with his. --GRuban (talk) 05:18, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

• Good points; just a small clarification, I did not mention BLP1E in relation to his disability (which is hardly an "event"), but in relation to the thievery. ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 06:22, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

• Keep. As far as I can tell, the proposer's argument applies about as well to certain other figures connected to Gamergate whose pages have already survived AfD. 76.64.35.209 (talk) 06:04, 8 December 2014 (UTC)— 76.64.35.209 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
• Keep or Merge with 8chan. I think I'll not rehash the fine points made by GRuban and others. I would like to include that if the DailyDot is considered a reliable source then the page more then meets the concerns held about it, as far as I understand policy that is. HessmixD (talk) 10:34, 8 December 2014 (UTC)
• Weak Keep as a somewhat unusual BLP. I will also say that the substantial focus on disability is extremely professional and it reads like something of a fluff piece. Would also support a merge to 8chan if the weight of sourcing places matters exclusively on it. Taken alone, most of the matters mentioned in the article and the sources related to only human interest and "mentions" other than straight content pieces is a decent case for WP:BLP1E. All these smaller pieces combined and I think overall you end up with suitable notability. There's no specific one thing I can point to as being some kind of turning point nor exact guidelines I can quote, and some of the sourced articles aren't the best quality; I'd probably !vote a delete if it were restricted to 1-2, but this many? Yeah. Marginally notable + WP:BLP1E x even a bit more than 1 = WP:GNG enough for me. ♪ Tstorm(talk) 15:13, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:25, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Internet-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:25, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

• Is this WP:SNOW yet? It's been more than 48 hours and there are several arguments to keep, none to delete yet besides the original proposal. 76.64.35.209 (talk) 09:56, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

  AFDs go on for a week minimum. And this is not a snow close yet as there is opposition to keeping as is.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 11:41, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

• Redirect to 8chan. Subject is not independently notable from the website he owns. Anything regarding his physical disability is not reason enough for separate coverage as it either regards the robbery he suffered or its a human interest story that isn't about him per say.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 11:41, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
• Keep Ted_DeVita (aka "Bubble Boy") seems like a relevant comparison; he's notable for his illness and the movie he inspired The_Boy_in_the_Plastic_Bubble, wikipedia has articles on both. --107.15.41.141 (talk) 07:29, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

  Agree with AldNon, minimal support for deletion, request has run it's course. --107.15.41.141 (talk) 07:41, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

  That does not mean anything. There's support for there not being an article. Just because it's minimal does not mean that WP:SNOW is to be applied here. AFDs are open for a week at minimum.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 08:03, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

  The "Bubble Boy" inspired media about his disease. Brennan has a couple of articles about being robbed, a human interest story about his disease, and everything else regards 8chan.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 04:07, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

• Keep Just close this AfD already.--AldNon 03:40, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

  Why should it be kept?—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 04:07, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

  Man do I really need to parroting every word here? Fine! per Muscat Hoe comment.--AldNon 09:16, 11 December 2014 (UTC)

• merge with 8chan thriving despite obstacles or being robbed is not encyclopedic level of notability. if he does something other than 8chan that gets noted, then a spinout in the future would be possible. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 13:18, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
• Keep Definately keep. --Torga (talk) 03:51, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

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