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Shooting of John Crawford III

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Non-notable event. Brief bursts of coverage when it happened and when the guy wasn't indicted, but Misplaced Pages is not a news site. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 15:47, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

• Strong Keep clearly notable and the subject of ongoing media debate regarding police violence. Artw (talk) 16:51, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

I have added some structure and expanded the article out from a stub. while there is still much work to be done I believe it shows this is a viable article with potential for growth. Artw (talk) 07:41, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

• The "ongoing debate of police violence" is a reason to delete per WP:SENSATION. On the other hand, this did indeed make the news circuit pretty thoroughly. Is there any indication of lasting importance as discussed at WP:NEVENT? VQuakr (talk) 17:59, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

A brief sampling of recent news articles placing the death in a greater context: Artw (talk) 18:08, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

We probably should have an article on the 2014 protests in general (I would imagine we do already). Those sources would be a better fit for there, since they only say a sentence or two about the shooting of Crawford. VQuakr (talk) 18:19, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

From the WaPo article:

The father of another victim, John Crawford III, who was shot dead in a Wal-Mart store by police officers in a Dayton, Ohio, suburb, said the same criminal justice system he works for “is the same system I’m receiving injustice from.”

Police said they thought a BB gun the younger Crawford carried was lethal. A video of the shooting shows that he was on a cellphone before he was shot. A grand jury decided not to indict the officers who fired the shots.

“My son was murdered in the biggest retail store in the world,” Crawford said. “These cases should be open and shut. Let’s stay focused on that. Don’t forget my son’s name. They will all be vindicated.”

This seems sufficient depth. Artw (talk) 18:32, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Seems pretty trivial to me, actually. VQuakr (talk) 21:40, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

• Delete or redirect. We have to ask: Is it notable by itself, or is this just coming on the heels of a dozen similar cases? While this is notable, on the other hand, it seems like an incident being covered just now, after all the other protests (Brown, Garner, etc.) attracted attention to this. We should create a general 2014 police protests article like VQuakr stated just above. Epicgenius (talk) 21:34, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
  • I think that sounds like a good plan. We would be able to give a brief overview of the sort of event that people are protesting, without creating a bunch of similar newsy articles that basically lack potential to grow. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 22:23, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ohio-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:21, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:21, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

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• Comment The article is currently labeled as a "stub". From WP:STUB... "A stub is an article containing only one or a few sentences of text that, although providing some useful information, is too short to provide encyclopedic coverage of a subject, and that is capable of expansion." Key words being "capable of expansion". I don't see how this article could be expanded. Apart from it being a bit of a viral story due to the video clip and other black men shot by cops, I don't see how it might expand into anything greater than a news story. – JBarta (talk) 03:34, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

I am taking a stab at that right now, and the answer to how it can be expanded from a stub appears to be "really easily" - the timeline needs to be filled in, the grand jury investigation isn't covered, the media reactions are basically a big pile of sources and new aspects of the case are still coming to light, as well as continued activism in reaction to the case. I am really not seeing a dead, impossible to improve article at all. Artw (talk) 03:40, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Also consider WP:RECENTISM. – JBarta (talk) 04:32, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

While the article will no doubt change over time to reflect new sources and the outcome of any legal cases I believe the basic bones of it are pretty fixed and unlikely to change too much, meaning that recentism shouldn't be too much of a problem. Artw (talk) 04:42, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

• Keep I shop at that WalMart location, and assure you that here at ground zero, it's going to be a notable event for a long time to come. More broadly, it's been reported multiple times in international news outlets. I also fear that race might be a factor in attempts to downplay this event, to include squelching this Misplaced Pages article. Marc W. Abel (talk) 14:36, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Race a factor? I see no reason for you to besmirch black folks by suggesting they are trying to "squelch" the article. Black folks are rather appalled and saddened at this event just like white folks are. – JBarta (talk) 14:44, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Not really a joking matter, TBH. You should probably take your comedy routine elsewhere. Artw (talk) 15:01, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

I see, and if I had reversed the words black and white, my comment would have been ok with you? Unless you're willing to also address the absurdity of the original comment you are welcome to blow your admonition in some other direction. – JBarta (talk) 15:14, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Having just returned from over a year in Livingston Parish where I was involuntarily shown how Mr. James Crowe, esq. goes about the business of pretending institutionalized racism doesn't exist - I can see why there would be a group campaigning to make it harder for the average person to see good documentation on how pervasive and numerous killings like this one are. This article looks to be well supported by documentation and I believe that's what this site is supposed to be about. Signed, Rodger Asai, Remembrance Rug.

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