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Thank you. Squinge (talk) 23:32, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to Misplaced Pages: check out the Teahouse!

Hello! Squinge, you are invited to the Teahouse, a forum on Misplaced Pages for new editors to ask questions about editing Misplaced Pages, and get support from peers and experienced editors. Please join us! Chamith (talk) 19:15, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Squinge (talk) 19:23, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

November 2014

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• The following is the log entry regarding this message: Beintehaa was changed by Squinge (u) (t) ANN scored at 0.959689 on 2014-11-22T22:07:37+00:00 . Thank you. ClueBot NG (talk) 22:07, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

That was a false positive, but the page to report it just gave me a screen full of programming errors. Squinge (talk) 22:22, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

New message

I will change my changes — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hs17596 (talk • contribs) 13:15, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

No, you will STOP your changes. Squinge (talk) 13:29, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Reverting consecutive edits

To revert consecutive edits more quickly, you can compare last good and last bad versions and then click "Undo". It does not make a pre-generated undo summary, so you can write in there something like "Revert consecutive edits by Example (talk)", followed by a summary. Also, you can try Twinkle or other anti-vandalism tools, or prove yourself worthy of rollback flag. Thanks! --Nick the Red (Talk | Contribs) 13:45, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Ah, thanks - I actually have a multiple-undo in the history, but I had no idea how I had managed it :-). It looks like I need to be autoconfirmed to use Twinkle, so I'll try that in another day or so. I've also reported the vandal at WP:ANI, because there hasn't been any response at WP:AIV for several hours. Squinge (talk) 13:51, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Looks like that vandal stopped - there is no edits for almost 15 minutes, even if that user is not blocked yet. --Nick the Red (Talk | Contribs) 14:00, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Maybe eased off for now, but he's been doing it for days so I'm sure he'll be back. Thanks for your help. Squinge (talk) 14:08, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

And he's blocked now. Squinge (talk) 14:09, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

November 2014

Hello, I'm Owais Khursheed. I noticed that you removed a PROD, from Asadhya Aliya, and I wanted to let you know that I have replaced it. Please don't remove these PRODs from articles unless they contain at least one reliable source or were created before 18 March 2010. If you oppose the deletion of an article under this process, please consider adding reliable sources to the article or commenting at the respective talk page. Thank you. Night Fury (A good day to Die Hard) 12:43, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

It was *NOT* a BLP PROD it was an ordinary PROD, and the article is about a film and not a person. All I need to do to contest a PROD is remove it, and you are not allowed to reinstate it - if you disagree then you need to go to WP:AfD. I will re-remove the PROD and if you reinstate it I will seek admin assistance at WP:ANI. Squinge (talk) 12:48, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, i have not said that it was a BLP PROD, plz see the text above. TW has option of only BLP PROD but I changed the text the immediately. Thanks Night Fury (A good day to Die Hard) 13:16, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Come on, you forgot to wipe some more nonsense from the above. Your message read "don't remove these PRODs from articles unless they contain at least one reliable source or were created before 18 March 2010", anyone who has spent 3 hours in patrolling new articles would know that you are referring to the article about a living person that has no citations. It is almost necessary to add citations on the article about a living person, but not any other subject. Bladesmulti (talk) 13:22, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

Twinkle does not only have the option of BLP PROD, it actually offers both PROD and BLP PROD, and your reasoning was not applicable to ordinary PROD. Squinge (talk) 13:28, 29 November 2014 (UTC)

WP:ROLLBACK

Squinge, I added rollback to your account; given the kind of edits you make, you look like you could use it, but please do look at the policy linked above and use it appropriate. You will find it a powerful and helpful tool. Now, a few other things, if you don't mind. I noted your "Have you heard of collaboration?" comment, addressed at ANI to PamD: please don't talk like that to a long-time user in good standing, like she is: I am sure she has heard of "collaboration". Also, I saw a couple of reverts you made to editors with names like "Thepowerofpoop" and "Ginger69"--I have blocked both editors, the first because of the user name and their only edit being vandalism, and the other for being a vandalism-only account. If you're not already familiar with WP:UAA and WP:AIV?WP:VOA, please have a look. Thanks for your efforts, and happy editing. Drmies (talk) 04:43, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Good going Squinge! Bladesmulti (talk) 03:03, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks both. Squinge (talk) 09:21, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Hepplewhite

Dear Squinge, I hope this reaches you as I'm not sure about the route! The changes I made to the Hepplewhite page are not my opinion, though they are constructive. The fact is (as recently established by the Yale University publication which I cited in my changes) that the Misplaced Pages entry is sadly out of date. I have no axe to grind, but I have read Robinson's excellent book, and I thought maybe Misplaced Pages would rather publish the truth rather than the myth? Best, Eastwood farm — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eastwoodfarm (talk • contribs) 11:26, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. The trouble is, while most major sources are still telling the traditional story of Hepplewhite, I don't think Misplaced Pages can go on one new book and take only that one as the truth. As an encyclopedia, Misplaced Pages should only be changed in this fashion when the new claims have been widely accepted by the experts and by other published sources. Maybe the article should be updated with a section about the new claims in the new book? I'd suggest you open a discussion on the article's talk page and seek a consensus on how to proceed. Squinge (talk) 11:32, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Of course I've now forgotten how I wrote to you, so hope this reaches you too.

Thank you for your reply. There are of course 150 years of books all saying Hepplewhite was a great designer, but they have now been conclusively proved wrong! I know it's only 1 book, but as it comes with the authority of Harvard, under the imprimatur of the pre-eminent art publisher Haven, and researched and written by the leading authority on the subject John Martin Robinson (44 books and still going), I do think you might consider whether Misplaced Pages really wants to perpetuate a discredited myth rather than acknowledge modern scholarship? I think the key point is that neither Hepplewhite ever claimed to design furniture! When Mr H died, Mrs H found these drawings among his papers, and opportunistically but legally published them herself. Crucially, she specifically did not claim they were his designs. That was a mistake made long after by later compilers /commentators with no one left to contradict them. Enormous strides have been made in the last 50 years by art and architectural researchers thanks to improved access to, and curating of, archives long left unexamined in country houses and local authority libraries. One theory is that Mr H worked in the London workshop of Gillows, for whom James Wyatt made very many documented and acknowledged (in their catalogue) designs, many of them identical to the "Hepplewhite" drawings. This would explain how the drawings came to be among his papers, but as this is not certain, I did not refer to it in my editing of the Misplaced Pages entry. I know that the John Ford editor in 'Liberty Valance' said "When the legend becomes fact, print the legend." But surely that is not the motto or purpose of Misplaced Pages? I doubt a debate with other users would be much help. This is a very arcane subject, but for that reason, one in which I feel Misplaced Pages should take a lead in accuracy. Otherwise, why bother? Eastwood farm. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eastwoodfarm (talk • contribs)

I understand and sympathize, but I think you have one thing wrong when you say "I feel Misplaced Pages should take a lead in accuracy". As an encyclopedia and what is known as a tertiary source, that is absolutely not what Misplaced Pages should do. What an encyclopedia should do is summarize the balance of reliable secondary sources and what is stated by Misplaced Pages should only change after new information is accepted by mainstream academia - an encyclopedia is a follower, not a leader, of updated truth. Whether the new book does or does not disprove conventional opinion remains to be seen (I've read a review that only uses the word "probably"), but it is not for Misplaced Pages (or Misplaced Pages editors) to make that judgment. It is for academia to analyze the issue and make a judgment (and that judgment won't be based purely on the authority of Harvard), and should mainstream opinion change then (and only then) should Misplaced Pages be changed to reflect it. As I suggested, at this point I think the only thing Misplaced Pages could do is include a short note on the new book and how it casts doubt on the whole thing. Squinge (talk) 15:58, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

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Fixed. Squinge (talk) 11:57, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

New message

Hi Squinge!

Just noticed you reverted a couple of changes I made on https://en.wikipedia.org/Milo_Yiannopoulos. I don't want to get into any kind of edit war (I've reverted them) so I thought I'd ask why. I edited MY's birthplace and added two of his books to his bibliography. Thanks! Gibbets (talk) 18:35, 2 December 2014 (UTC)gibbets

Hi. The original info seemed to be properly sourced, but if you're sure of your new changes and their sources then I'm happy to leave them. Squinge (talk) 18:37, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Great!

Just to let you know, the original source can't truly be counted a source at all, since it only includes the subject's date of birth; the second edit I made was an addition to the subject's bibliography citing the British National Bibliography held at the British Library in which I was adding and citing new material altogether... so the sources of the original info are kind of irrelevant. But thanks for keeping an eye out, Squinge! Gibbets (talk) 19:13, 2 December 2014 (UTC)gibbets

Sounds good, and clearly my mistake. Squinge (talk) 19:21, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Admin Noticeboard Incident 864 re user fleetham

Squinge, I saw you reverted my question/ call for admin input on the ANI page.

Here's our situation: A bunch of us, Ladislav Mecir, Mrcatzilla, Mr.choppers and presumably Fleetham are waiting for administrative input to resolve a longstanding aggravation. There hasn't been any admin input here. Our discussion was not closed, and there was no box around it prohibiting edits when I wrote. So if I made indeed a mistake (as twinkle appears to claim), it was innocent.

And here's your situation: I know that you are a brand new editor (<600 edits) and you are using twinkle, this powerful tool to "clean up", to enforce WP rules, and you mass-reverted edits on archive, without reading the edits, leave alone the complicated grievances, so I am not taking the revert personally.

I assume you want to be a helpful police person (remember: bobbies in Britain?), so I am asking you to be so kind to:

• refer me to the rule that disallows editing after a certain ( what? ) period?
• guide me where to legitimately ask the question you erased so we can resolve the case?

Thanks.--Wuerzele (talk) 19:01, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi. I reverted your addition to the archive, because archives are not supposed to be changed - and admins won't be watching them in order to help anyway. I think it should be OK for you to copy that section from the archive into a new section at WP:ANI and make a further request for help there. Squinge (talk) 19:08, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. You forgot:

• plse refer me to the rule that disallows editing after a certain ( what? ) period.--Wuerzele (talk) 05:39, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

• I don't know where there's a rule as such, but it's just common sense. Many admins (and others) are watching the WP:ANI page in order to assist people who ask for help, but few will be expecting such things to be posted on the archive pages (which, as their name suggests, are for archived material). So if you want a question answered, you need to ask it at WP:ANI itself and not on one of the archived pages. If you're wondering how long it is before a section is archived, it's done by a 'bot' - and as far as I can tell, once a section has not been edited for 36 hours it gets automatically archived. I suggested copying the section back from the archive to WP:ANI because I've seen it done that way by other people, and it seems to be accepted and effective. Squinge (talk) 08:21, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Article

why are you messaging me for what you have done to Sivanathan Narayanasamy. Night Fury (Talk to me) 10:29, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

I was just letting you know that instead of tagging it for "no sources" as you did, you should have gone for WP:BLPPROD. Just trying to help you improve your page patrolling, you know. Squinge (talk) 10:31, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Ha ha, dont teach me, i tag the articles for maintenace so that the creater addresses the issue. Tagging articles for del. is easy then to built a great one. Thats my way of doing work. Night Fury (Talk to me) 10:54, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

OK, fair enough :-) Squinge (talk)

Message

Dear squinge... Language evolves organically and based on use. This term is being used in London more and more. I would appreciate if you reverted the change. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Diego.philipps (talk • contribs) 11:19, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Hmm, your request is wrong in so many ways...

1. As it says at the bottom of AWD, "This disambiguation page lists articles associated with the title AWD", and what you added was not a link to an article associated with the title AWD.
2. Misplaced Pages does not write about new trends until they are sufficiently covered by reliable sources in a way that demonstrates notability.
3. Misplaced Pages is not for things made up one day.

So no, I will not be reverting my change. Squinge (talk) 11:45, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

IT'S ALL TRUE THUS SMC — Preceding unsigned comment added by Essexboy98 (talk • contribs) 23:45, 21 December 2014‎ (UTC)

Some baklava for you!

my pleasure! Dinu123 (talk) 15:04, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! Squinge (talk) 15:06, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

I beg pardon. This is wiki, not the earth, I understand.

But, on the earth, if you were really came to know what the shit that page is about you would put it on fire, I guarantee! That was my fault any way. I'm sorry. I promise it will never happen anymore. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dinu123 (talk • contribs) 15:15, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Maybe the article is bad, I really don't know - if so, please do improve it using Reliable sources. Squinge (talk) 15:33, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Re: Dexter Fletcher

Squid the changes I made were true. Look at police records or at Bernard O mahony records on the subject of villains. This is true thus should be made public. (Personal attack removed) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Essexboy98 (talk • contribs) 23:42, 21 December 2014‎ (UTC)

Message

I don't get it why are you changing the facts??? Where did this bananas come in from.???? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kapoork (talk • contribs) 11:09, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Be concerned about your own edits and not others. Stop removing the facts if you don't know any. Loser — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kapoork (talk • contribs) 03:45, 23 December 2014 (UTC)