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It's time to make a stand against the arrogant and incompetent Wikimedia Foundation and its complete disregard for those of us who actually build this encyclopedia. Their salaries are paid on the back of our unpaid work, therefore in line with some others I've decided to withdraw my labour every Monday until things change. And if they don't, I'll be extending the length of my strike. I encourage everyone to join me.

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Thank you for the explanation in my talk page, with all due respect sir, all the other names in that pages have no reference at all, at least I point a article where the subject's father caste, that is same as his own. No problem, I am a newbie to the wikipedia, thanks for pointing to the right direction. :) Regards,

Dabbing of Suryanvanshi

Hello, Sitush. You have new messages at !dea4u's talk page.
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POV help

Hi sitush, I think your view is fairly neutral and I do not have much clue on how to balance this article, would request your help Shrikanthv (talk) 08:47, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

That article has been a nuisance for ages. I doubt that it will ever be considered neutral. It has always struck me as being a very short route to a block or some other sanction. I'll take a look but I suspect that my presence will just raise the temperature. - Sitush (talk) 08:49, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I thought you are omnipresent on Misplaced Pages :-) -sarvajna (talk) 10:43, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Since your attention has already been drawn to this conflagration, a vote here would be appreciated (either way). Cheers, Vanamonde93 (talk) 08:05, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

DRN posting

Sitush, I've reverted the posting to which you replied here as a violation of GRAPEVINE. You might want to also revert your response since it no longer makes much sense out of context, but that's your call. Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 17:05, 10 December 2014 (UTC) (current DRN coordinator)

Wasn't aware of that, but yeah. No idea what was going on there. - Sitush (talk) 17:08, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Bhumihar Brahmin

Possible sock/meat thing, eg: contributions of Abhishek1747 (talk · contribs) and Bpandey89 (talk · contribs), but in any case this is a copy/paste of stuff that has been discussed previously. - Sitush (talk) 16:20, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Hi Sitush Please check the rubbish content in the page bhumihar brahmin. It's a shame for wikipedia.. Bhumihars are also called as bhumihar brahmins because they claim so.. This statement is too much stupid.. Shall I be considered as President Anant, If I claim that I'm president of India. Real fact is that bhumihar brahmins are one of the branch of kanyakubj brahmins. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Kanyakubja_Brahmins They had been traditional priest at Vishnupad Mandir , Gaya and as gayawar panda at Gaya and Hazaribagh. Swami Sahajand Saraswati (a bhumihar brahmin) was a dandi sanyashi.. Some of the historic accounts. 1)Rulers, Townsmen and Bazaars: North Indian Society in the Age of British By C. A. Bayly url= http://books.google.co.in/books?id=xfo3AAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=bhumihar+brahmin+origin+by+historians&hl=en&sa=X&ei=x54UVLvYGcaTuATng4HgBw&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=bhumihar&f=false 2)The Limited Raj: Agrarian Relations in Colonial India, Saran District, 1793-1920 By Anand A. Yang url== http://books.google.co.in/books?id=Ck4jmD7H34UC&pg=PA59&dq=bhumihar+brahmin+origin+by+historians&hl=en&sa=X&ei=x54UVLvYGcaTuATng4HgBw&ved=0CDoQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=bhumihar%20brahmin%20origin%20by%20historians&f=false 3)Man in India, Volumes 54-55 by Sarat Chandra Roy (Ral Bahadur) url==http://books.google.co.in/books?id=CGMqAQAAIAAJ&q=bhumihar+brahmin+origin+by+historians&dq=bhumihar+brahmin+origin+by+historians&hl=en&sa=X&ei=x54UVLvYGcaTuATng4HgBw&ved=0CEsQ6AEwBw 4)Bazaar India: Markets, Society, and the Colonial State in Gangetic Bihar By Anand A. Yang url== http://books.google.co.in/books?id=D5lQutvzAp4C&printsec=frontcover&dq=bhumihar+brahmin+origin+by+historians&hl=en&sa=X&ei=x54UVLvYGcaTuATng4HgBw&ved=0CFAQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=bhumihar%20&f=false 5)Caste: The Colonial Theories by Braja Bihārī Kumāra url== http://books.google.co.in/books?id=voe3AAAAIAAJ&q=bhumihar+brahmin+origin+by+historians&dq=bhumihar+brahmin+origin+by+historians&hl=en&sa=X&ei=x54UVLvYGcaTuATng4HgBw&ved=0CFYQ6AEwCQ 6)Evolution and Spatial Organization of Clan Settlements: A Case Study By Saiyad Hasan Ansar url==http://books.google.co.in/books?id=dxDWbsztdVQC&pg=PA100&lpg=PA100&dq=Evolution+and+Spatial+Organization+of+Clan+Settlements:+A+Case+Study+of+...++By+Saiyad+Hasan+Ansari&source=bl&ots=Z2K627D9Qw&sig=p0YFJjE2ASP6v09wVCn3DY6riRo&hl=en&sa=X&ei=tKMUVOqGKonjuQShw4DoAw&ved=0CB4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Evolution%20and%20Spatial%20Organization%20of%20Clan%20Settlements%3A%20A%20Case%20Study%20of%20...%20%20By%20Saiyad%20Hasan%20Ansari&f=false 7)Brahamharshi Bamsha Bistar by swami shahjanand saraswati. url==https://archive.org/details/BrahamharshiBamshaBistar 8)Hindu caste and sect by yogendra nath bhattacharya url==https://archive.org/stream/hinducastesands00bhatgoog#page/n136/mode/2up 9)Census of India 1891 by British Indian Govt. url==https://openlibrary.org/books/OL24179313M/Census_of_India_1891 10)Caste, Society and Politics in India from the Eighteenth Century to the ... By Susan Bayly url==http://books.google.co.in/books?id=HbAjKR_iHogC&pg=PA203&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=bhumihar&f=false 11)The State at War in South Asia By Pradeep Barua url==http://books.google.co.in/books?id=FIIQhuAOGaIC&pg=PA76&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Bhumihar&f=false 12)Peasants and Monks in British India by William R. Pinch UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA PRESS url==http://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpressebooks/view?docId=ft22900465;brand=ucpress url==http://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpressebooks/view?docId=ft22900465&chunk.id=s1.3.13&toc.depth=1&toc.id=ch3&brand=ucpress;query=#1 senari massacre http://www.pucl.org/reports/Bihar/2001/jehanabad.htm Note : Bhumihar Brahmin/ Babhan/ Bhumihars (short name of bhumihar Brahmin) are names to same community. Sometimes they are also called as Bhramarshi. Brahmin is a priestly class in hindu community, but many Brahmins were landlords during British and mughal era. Books mentioned earlier are the books from renowned Historians or social activists. None of these books have mentioned any relation of bhumihar with rajput. Bhumihar (i.e. Babhan, which is an old name for bhumihar brahmin which had been used in early colonial census of british india (ref 9)) is a distinct community different from rajput, but having Brahminic (of brahmin) origin. It is a total bias to write a tale and false fiction of ashwani kumar (i.e. Bhumihar made up of union of rajput and Brahmin). You can find a lot about the plight of dalit ( i.e. so called downtrodden section of society who are not at all downtrodden in present time and availing reservation in all wakes of life, even in judiciary and legislature in India) in his (aswani kumar) book, but hardly about the plight of Bhumihar Brahmin/Babhan. He has not mentioned Senari massacre and other massacre (available on ranvir sena Misplaced Pages ) in which mcc, Maoist (i.e. naxalite) and dalit led army beheaded bhumihar/babhan cruelly like Islamic state terrorist organisation of present time. This book is a totally biases against upper caste (i.e. Class) and trying to emphasise only on false tales and fabricated story which has come out of sheer jealousy. There are some bad persons in all community which have been over hyped in ashwani kumar book. Entire babhan community has been made culprit in his book. If anyone is writing anything in Misplaced Pages he should write all the issues, and not merely some defamatory and derogatory tales, which is not at all true. Ashwani kumar has written many fictitious stories about babhan/bhumihar which cannot be simultaneously true. Rajput is a community which come into existence only after fall of Harshavardhan kingdom. (Refer Rajesthan by RK gupta and s r bhakshi. http://books.google.co.in/books?id=gHNoU2zcDnIC&pg=PA1&dq=rajput+origin&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Qr8eVKO8MZKTuATy3YLwBg&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=rajput%20origin&f=false or you can refer book from eminent historian like Satish Chandra for medival india.) Initially they (Rajputs) were centred around north-west India and some part of central India. They came to eastern India only at the time of emergence of Islamic force in India (i.e. around 1200 AD or Muhammad ghori period). Bhumihar brahmin is a new name to babhan community which gained popularity in late 19th century and popularised by babhan landlords as well as sahjanand saraswati. In early british census report(till 1891 census) they were enumerated as Babhans under aristocratic and military community. So I request wikipedians to remove this fairy tale which has been fabricated by some jealousy community out of sheer jealousy. Please put up historic fact about babhan community rather than some fabricated story. Swami shahjanand saraswati was a peasant leader and social reformer (https://en.wikipedia.org/Sahajanand_Saraswati) who advocated mere priesthood for babhans rather than landlord ship and wanted inclusion of Bhumihar Brahman/Babhan in mere donation taking Brahmins list and also attempted to abolish zamindari (landlord ship) from bihar. Babhans were already included in aristocratic class till 1891 british census. There is hardly any book or early historical evidence giving relation of bhumihar/Babhan with rajput. It is a pure myth to associate bhumihar with rajput which are two distinct community. So please put down the myth and include the materials from reliable and credible citation regarding bhumihar/ babhan community. Bhumihar is a Sanskrit word for zamindar or jagirdar which means landlord or landholder. Swami shahjanand saraswati books (Brahamharshi Bamsha Bistar by swami shahjanand saraswati. https://archive.org/details/BrahamharshiBamshaBistar) are cited by most of the Brahmin community for reference like kanyakubj Brahmin, (https://en.wikipedia.org/Kanyakubja_Brahmins) Saryupareen Brahmins (https://en.wikipedia.org/Saryupareen_Brahmins) Jujhautiya Brahmin (https://en.wikipedia.org/Jujhautiya_Brahmin). In most of the sites the sahjanand thoughts are distorted and presented. It is highly pathetic. One more point I want to mention is that a new fictitious and imaginary theory which has evolved recently and has not been mentioned by any historians in past and colonial era. Babhan (Bhumihar) has been categorised as shudra along with kayastha in British colonial census report.(http://books.google.co.in/books?id=sQcGAQAAQBAJ&pg=PA31&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false) this book mentions this claim but it has not mentioned which year census report did so. I am including one of the early British census report and one book abstract which evidently tells the falsehood of the above statement. (Census of India 1891 by British Indian govt url== https://openlibrary.org/books/OL24179313M/Census_of_India_1891) and (Peasants and Monks in British India by William R. Pinch UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA PRESS url==http://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpressebooks/view?docId=ft22900465;brand=ucpress & url==http://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpressebooks/view?docId=ft22900465&chunk.id=s1.3.13&toc.depth=1&toc.id=ch3&brand=ucpress;query=#1) above books clearly denote that babhans were considered as military community similar to rajputs, nairs and marathas , they fought to get included in mere priestly (i.e. donation taking) Brahmin list since they have brahmanic (i.e. of brahmin) origin. Bhumihar name was not used to list this entire community till 1891 census report. This entire community was listed with the name babhan till 1891 census under military and aristocratic category. There after sahjanand demanded abolishion of zamindari and inclusion of babhan as mere priestly donation taking brahmin list (since they have brahmnic origin) . Bhumihar word was also popularised and created by their groups(sahjanand group)only which included kashi naresh. 1901 onward bhumihar (i.e. babhan ) was categorised under mere priestly brahmin category. Please do not let some editor write some spurious and false facts which do not have historical evidences or account to back the fact. We are talking about British India census claim without any substantial fact to verify that claim — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anant57 (talk • contribs) 18:14, 16 December 2014 (UTC) You seem to be echoing almost word for word the stuff that Bpandey89 (talk · contribs) has been repeatedly plastering at various Misplaced Pages venues. Are you familiar with WP:SOCK? - Sitush (talk) 18:21, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Possible sock/meat thing, eg: contributions of Abhishek1747 (talk · contribs) and Bpandey89 (talk · contribs), but in any case this is a copy/paste of stuff that has been discussed previously. - Sitush (talk) 16:20, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi Sitush Please check the rubbish content in the page bhumihar brahmin. It's a shame for wikipedia.. Bhumihars are also called as bhumihar brahmins because they claim so.. This statement is too much stupid.. Shall I be considered as President Anant, If I claim that I'm president of India. Real fact is that bhumihar brahmins are one of the branch of kanyakubj brahmins. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/Kanyakubja_Brahmins They had been traditional priest at Vishnupad Mandir , Gaya and as gayawar panda at Gaya and Hazaribagh. Swami Sahajand Saraswati (a bhumihar brahmin) was a dandi sanyashi..

Some of the historic accounts.

1)Rulers, Townsmen and Bazaars: North Indian Society in the Age of British By C. A. Bayly url= http://books.google.co.in/books?id=xfo3AAAAIAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=bhumihar+brahmin+origin+by+historians&hl=en&sa=X&ei=x54UVLvYGcaTuATng4HgBw&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=bhumihar&f=false

2)The Limited Raj: Agrarian Relations in Colonial India, Saran District, 1793-1920 By Anand A. Yang url== http://books.google.co.in/books?id=Ck4jmD7H34UC&pg=PA59&dq=bhumihar+brahmin+origin+by+historians&hl=en&sa=X&ei=x54UVLvYGcaTuATng4HgBw&ved=0CDoQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=bhumihar%20brahmin%20origin%20by%20historians&f=false

3)Man in India, Volumes 54-55 by Sarat Chandra Roy (Ral Bahadur) url==http://books.google.co.in/books?id=CGMqAQAAIAAJ&q=bhumihar+brahmin+origin+by+historians&dq=bhumihar+brahmin+origin+by+historians&hl=en&sa=X&ei=x54UVLvYGcaTuATng4HgBw&ved=0CEsQ6AEwBw

4)Bazaar India: Markets, Society, and the Colonial State in Gangetic Bihar By Anand A. Yang url== http://books.google.co.in/books?id=D5lQutvzAp4C&printsec=frontcover&dq=bhumihar+brahmin+origin+by+historians&hl=en&sa=X&ei=x54UVLvYGcaTuATng4HgBw&ved=0CFAQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=bhumihar%20&f=false

5)Caste: The Colonial Theories by Braja Bihārī Kumāra url== http://books.google.co.in/books?id=voe3AAAAIAAJ&q=bhumihar+brahmin+origin+by+historians&dq=bhumihar+brahmin+origin+by+historians&hl=en&sa=X&ei=x54UVLvYGcaTuATng4HgBw&ved=0CFYQ6AEwCQ

6)Evolution and Spatial Organization of Clan Settlements: A Case Study By Saiyad Hasan Ansar url==http://books.google.co.in/books?id=dxDWbsztdVQC&pg=PA100&lpg=PA100&dq=Evolution+and+Spatial+Organization+of+Clan+Settlements:+A+Case+Study+of+...++By+Saiyad+Hasan+Ansari&source=bl&ots=Z2K627D9Qw&sig=p0YFJjE2ASP6v09wVCn3DY6riRo&hl=en&sa=X&ei=tKMUVOqGKonjuQShw4DoAw&ved=0CB4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Evolution%20and%20Spatial%20Organization%20of%20Clan%20Settlements%3A%20A%20Case%20Study%20of%20...%20%20By%20Saiyad%20Hasan%20Ansari&f=false

7)Brahamharshi Bamsha Bistar by swami shahjanand saraswati. url==https://archive.org/details/BrahamharshiBamshaBistar

8)Hindu caste and sect by yogendra nath bhattacharya url==https://archive.org/stream/hinducastesands00bhatgoog#page/n136/mode/2up

9)Census of India 1891 by British Indian Govt. url==https://openlibrary.org/books/OL24179313M/Census_of_India_1891

10)Caste, Society and Politics in India from the Eighteenth Century to the ... By Susan Bayly url==http://books.google.co.in/books?id=HbAjKR_iHogC&pg=PA203&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=bhumihar&f=false

11)The State at War in South Asia By Pradeep Barua url==http://books.google.co.in/books?id=FIIQhuAOGaIC&pg=PA76&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Bhumihar&f=false

12)Peasants and Monks in British India by William R. Pinch UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA PRESS url==http://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpressebooks/view?docId=ft22900465;brand=ucpress url==http://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpressebooks/view?docId=ft22900465&chunk.id=s1.3.13&toc.depth=1&toc.id=ch3&brand=ucpress;query=#1 senari massacre http://www.pucl.org/reports/Bihar/2001/jehanabad.htm

Note : Bhumihar Brahmin/ Babhan/ Bhumihars (short name of bhumihar Brahmin) are names to same community. Sometimes they are also called as Bhramarshi. Brahmin is a priestly class in hindu community, but many Brahmins were landlords during British and mughal era.

Books mentioned earlier are the books from renowned Historians or social activists. None of these books have mentioned any relation of bhumihar with rajput. Bhumihar (i.e. Babhan, which is an old name for bhumihar brahmin which had been used in early colonial census of british india (ref 9)) is a distinct community different from rajput, but having Brahminic (of brahmin) origin. It is a total bias to write a tale and false fiction of ashwani kumar (i.e. Bhumihar made up of union of rajput and Brahmin). You can find a lot about the plight of dalit ( i.e. so called downtrodden section of society who are not at all downtrodden in present time and availing reservation in all wakes of life, even in judiciary and legislature in India) in his (aswani kumar) book, but hardly about the plight of Bhumihar Brahmin/Babhan. He has not mentioned Senari massacre and other massacre (available on ranvir sena Misplaced Pages ) in which mcc, Maoist (i.e. naxalite) and dalit led army beheaded bhumihar/babhan cruelly like Islamic state terrorist organisation of present time. This book is a totally biases against upper caste (i.e. Class) and trying to emphasise only on false tales and fabricated story which has come out of sheer jealousy. There are some bad persons in all community which have been over hyped in ashwani kumar book. Entire babhan community has been made culprit in his book. If anyone is writing anything in Misplaced Pages he should write all the issues, and not merely some defamatory and derogatory tales, which is not at all true. Ashwani kumar has written many fictitious stories about babhan/bhumihar which cannot be simultaneously true. Rajput is a community which come into existence only after fall of Harshavardhan kingdom. (Refer Rajesthan by RK gupta and s r bhakshi. http://books.google.co.in/books?id=gHNoU2zcDnIC&pg=PA1&dq=rajput+origin&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Qr8eVKO8MZKTuATy3YLwBg&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=rajput%20origin&f=false or you can refer book from eminent historian like Satish Chandra for medival india.) Initially they (Rajputs) were centred around north-west India and some part of central India. They came to eastern India only at the time of emergence of Islamic force in India (i.e. around 1200 AD or Muhammad ghori period). Bhumihar brahmin is a new name to babhan community which gained popularity in late 19th century and popularised by babhan landlords as well as sahjanand saraswati. In early british census report(till 1891 census) they were enumerated as Babhans under aristocratic and military community. So I request wikipedians to remove this fairy tale which has been fabricated by some jealousy community out of sheer jealousy. Please put up historic fact about babhan community rather than some fabricated story. Swami shahjanand saraswati was a peasant leader and social reformer (https://en.wikipedia.org/Sahajanand_Saraswati) who advocated mere priesthood for babhans rather than landlord ship and wanted inclusion of Bhumihar Brahman/Babhan in mere donation taking Brahmins list and also attempted to abolish zamindari (landlord ship) from bihar. Babhans were already included in aristocratic class till 1891 british census. There is hardly any book or early historical evidence giving relation of bhumihar/Babhan with rajput. It is a pure myth to associate bhumihar with rajput which are two distinct community. So please put down the myth and include the materials from reliable and credible citation regarding bhumihar/ babhan community. Bhumihar is a Sanskrit word for zamindar or jagirdar which means landlord or landholder. Swami shahjanand saraswati books (Brahamharshi Bamsha Bistar by swami shahjanand saraswati. https://archive.org/details/BrahamharshiBamshaBistar) are cited by most of the Brahmin community for reference like kanyakubj Brahmin, (https://en.wikipedia.org/Kanyakubja_Brahmins) Saryupareen Brahmins (https://en.wikipedia.org/Saryupareen_Brahmins) Jujhautiya Brahmin (https://en.wikipedia.org/Jujhautiya_Brahmin). In most of the sites the sahjanand thoughts are distorted and presented. It is highly pathetic.

One more point I want to mention is that a new fictitious and imaginary theory which has evolved recently and has not been mentioned by any historians in past and colonial era. Babhan (Bhumihar) has been categorised as shudra along with kayastha in British colonial census report.(http://books.google.co.in/books?id=sQcGAQAAQBAJ&pg=PA31&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false) this book mentions this claim but it has not mentioned which year census report did so. I am including one of the early British census report and one book abstract which evidently tells the falsehood of the above statement. (Census of India 1891 by British Indian govt url== https://openlibrary.org/books/OL24179313M/Census_of_India_1891) and (Peasants and Monks in British India by William R. Pinch UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA PRESS url==http://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpressebooks/view?docId=ft22900465;brand=ucpress & url==http://publishing.cdlib.org/ucpressebooks/view?docId=ft22900465&chunk.id=s1.3.13&toc.depth=1&toc.id=ch3&brand=ucpress;query=#1) above books clearly denote that babhans were considered as military community similar to rajputs, nairs and marathas , they fought to get included in mere priestly (i.e. donation taking) Brahmin list since they have brahmanic (i.e. of brahmin) origin. Bhumihar name was not used to list this entire community till 1891 census report. This entire community was listed with the name babhan till 1891 census under military and aristocratic category. There after sahjanand demanded abolishion of zamindari and inclusion of babhan as mere priestly donation taking brahmin list (since they have brahmnic origin) . Bhumihar word was also popularised and created by their groups(sahjanand group)only which included kashi naresh. 1901 onward bhumihar (i.e. babhan ) was categorised under mere priestly brahmin category. Please do not let some editor write some spurious and false facts which do not have historical evidences or account to back the fact. We are talking about British India census claim without any substantial fact to verify that claim — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anant57 (talk • contribs) 18:14, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

You seem to be echoing almost word for word the stuff that Bpandey89 (talk · contribs) has been repeatedly plastering at various Misplaced Pages venues. Are you familiar with WP:SOCK? - Sitush (talk) 18:21, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Would I be bang out of order if I hatted that text above? Ritchie333 12:43, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

I wouldn't have objected. I've done it myself now. - Sitush (talk) 16:19, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Ditto - Sitush (talk) 08:59, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
Hi sitush (https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Sitush#Bhumihar_Brahmin),i have communicated with Jeffrey Witsoe in which he has told that he is also not firm about the question of " babhan listed as shudra in census record along with kayastha"( if you require i will send you conversation). I have mentioned William pinch (refer aforesaid citation 12) book which have cited many books as well as census record stating that earlier census record listed babhan as military and dominenet community. Francis buchan (https://en.wikipedia.org/Francis_Buchanan-Hamilton) has told them as militant brahmin since they have brahminic origin but many of them have adopted agriculture and war. Jeffrey Witsoe has not cited any book or the census record claiming that statement. In communication with him he told that this is a small issue if incorrect he will change it in his next edition. I feel you have special grudge or hostility towars this community so only putting up some crap material. you have done enough, if you are so sure why do not you cite any census record in which such claim has been made. Do not make wikipedia a tool to show ur hostility or grudge. Willium pinch has cited proper books for all the statement he has made. you are consistently removing willium pinch book ciation and putting up a book which ahs not cited the book from where he got such an idea or inference. Do not show hostility on wikipedia, it is not facebook where you can put any unauthentic news or fiction or mere supposition. You have raised question over the authenticity of the material by sahjanand saraswati who has national recognition and acceptance as a hero and eminent leader. He always demanded removal of zamindari so he was against many of the babhan landlords and helped yadav peasants during independance(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/spa/zohkohb0i282t94/Area%20Studies/public/SouthAsia/Misc/Sss/whpsnts96.html). Do not narrow down your view and see the person from a single perspective. It is just like telling an elephant as a cylindrical pipe after touching its trunk. repeatedly i am telling put up some authentic material material rather than suppostion or myth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bpandey89 (talk • contribs) 05:10, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Ditto - Sitush (talk) 08:59, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi sitush (https://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Sitush#Bhumihar_Brahmin),i have communicated with Jeffrey Witsoe in which he has told that he is also not firm about the question of " babhan listed as shudra in census record along with kayastha"( if you require i will send you conversation). I have mentioned William pinch (refer aforesaid citation 12) book which have cited many books as well as census record stating that earlier census record listed babhan as military and dominenet community. Francis buchan (https://en.wikipedia.org/Francis_Buchanan-Hamilton) has told them as militant brahmin since they have brahminic origin but many of them have adopted agriculture and war. Jeffrey Witsoe has not cited any book or the census record claiming that statement. In communication with him he told that this is a small issue if incorrect he will change it in his next edition. I feel you have special grudge or hostility towars this community so only putting up some crap material. you have done enough, if you are so sure why do not you cite any census record in which such claim has been made. Do not make wikipedia a tool to show ur hostility or grudge. Willium pinch has cited proper books for all the statement he has made. you are consistently removing willium pinch book ciation and putting up a book which ahs not cited the book from where he got such an idea or inference. Do not show hostility on wikipedia, it is not facebook where you can put any unauthentic news or fiction or mere supposition. You have raised question over the authenticity of the material by sahjanand saraswati who has national recognition and acceptance as a hero and eminent leader. He always demanded removal of zamindari so he was against many of the babhan landlords and helped yadav peasants during independance(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/spa/zohkohb0i282t94/Area%20Studies/public/SouthAsia/Misc/Sss/whpsnts96.html). Do not narrow down your view and see the person from a single perspective. It is just like telling an elephant as a cylindrical pipe after touching its trunk. repeatedly i am telling put up some authentic material material rather than suppostion or myth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bpandey89 (talk • contribs) 05:10, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

@sitush what ever material you are putting up is a crap and none of the historians you have personally pasted is renowned or well known. In the name of neutrality you are consistently putting up spurious things which is not at all acceptable. You are alleging others that they are just copy pasting material but i feel that is much better to paste material from renowned authors than pasting spurious and fabricated opinions which do not have any historical relevance. Do not do such things. I have elaborately presented all the points of confusion present in your brain.You are deleting most of the credible and reliable accounts on the topic. Do you think your patronized authors like ashwani kumar, jaffry wotse and arvind das personally have done any survey to find out the clans and traditions of babhans to really arrive at some points. Customs and beliefs of any community is not at all origin of any 100 year interval it has genesis in much ancient past. All the british and indian historian account have considered babhans a dwija (twin born) community. The very name Babhan suggest that we are brahmin of magadh region since it is a pali word and pali was language of magadh during ashoka and other rulers. All the historical evidences and customs as well as tradition points toward brahminic origin. Even francis buchanan has told that all the best historical account of that time have suggested their brahminic origin which is crap for you and some insinuated fictitious tales you have considered credible. It is height of hostility please do not do so in the name of neutrality. If you are so keen why do not you do a survey and research on babhan community. Bpandey89 (talk 08:47 25 December 2014

Please take your own good advice - and please leave me alone

If you're planning on following me around and commenting about my comments, please don't. My comment on Neotarf's talk page was a simple, personal message to someone who's probably smarting right now. It was also almost a verbatim copy of something he/she posted on my talk page after I quit and was still smarting - which is what made the comment personal - between me and him/her. Now you've managed to take that little pat on the back off his/her page... for no good reason. (Jehochman might have just removed your comment to "eliminate bickering." After all, you bickered, not me.)

Neotarf is banned. You're still here to edit. Leave it be, please.

And about your comment, That sounds like the situation is warfare? This reminds me of when you said on Jimbo's talk page that the name of the Gender Gap Task Force was "military." In fact, ironically, part of what you said in that comment applies here:

reading things that are not there and then labelling them as hostile....

Not everything is an act of war. How about you take your own advice about not reading things that aren't there and labeling them as hostile (or military, or warped, or misconceived). Please leave me alone. I'm not in a good place right now and I don't need your lecturing. Lightbreather (talk) 00:54, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Lightbreather, if you wish not to interact with Sitush, consider staying off his talk page. Your situation is nothing like Neotarf's. Your brief retirement was voluntary. It's hard to make sense of your endorsement of Neotarf's behavior in light of the circumstances of Neotarf's departure. SPECIFICO talk 01:01, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

My "endorsement" is more appropriately "sympathy." Like Carolmooredc, Neotarf is not someone that I understand well, but I don't think either deserved to be banned when others were spared. I only came here because the page where Sitush commented about my comment is now protected, so I couldn't respond there. Now, I would like to leave (this page). Lightbreather (talk) 01:09, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

If you don't want to interact with Sitush, leaving messages on his talk page is a strange way to go about doing it. It's not compulsory you know! Ritchie333 08:01, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

If you're planning on following me around - you know, your lack of good faith is a constant source of amazement to me. I haven't followed you anywhere. - Sitush (talk) 09:00, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Sitush, I don't think adding anything to Neotarf's page was wise. Your comment on Neotarf's page did lack good faith too. Jehochman made the good decision of reverting it. I don't think you are following Lightbreather around, but just walk away. Bgwhite (talk) 09:37, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Neotarf's page was on my watchlist (not now because of the protection). There was not lack of good faith on my part because her phrasing clearly continued the ridiculous battleground attitude that she has been displaying for months now. I've avoided LB except occasionally when she has commented on pages that I watch, notably her whinging at Salvio's talk. She needs to drop the bloody stick and do some article work or something - I've made thousands of useful contributions and got something through FAC while she has been farting around. - Sitush (talk) 09:41, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Still, you shouldn't have made the comment on Neotarf's page and both of you need to drop it... it takes two to tango. Also, that is not fair... You've made 20 edits in the span that it takes me to fart and bask in the moment. :) Bgwhite (talk) 09:56, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

I'd already told an arb that it might perhaps have been an ill-advised comment, ~~several hours~~ some time before this thread opened. But I'm not the one who needs to drop it in the more general sense and the more people tell me that, the more I am likely to get pissed off that people cannot see the elephant in the room. - Sitush (talk) 10:02, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Precious again

Elites in India
Thank you, Labutnum of the Encyclopedia, for quality articles on people in India Under British Rule, such as James Tod, and for calmly carrying on, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

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Two years ago, you were the 339th recipient of my Pumpkin Sky Prize (the prize of the outcasts), --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:20, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

Nomination of Beda people for deletion

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Merry Christmas from London

May you have very Happy Christmas, Sitush...

and a New Year filled with peace and plenty!

Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 18:30, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

The entire population of London is wishing me a merry Christmas? It would be churlish of me if I were to ignore them! Many thanks, Sherlock, and my best wishes to you also. - Sitush (talk) 13:18, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Negi (caste)

Is it even worth filing an SPI? Sam 15:30, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Probably not. Checkuser won't link the IPs to the registered account and in behavioural terms this could be meatpuppetry encouraged by a caste association etc rather than socking proper. - Sitush (talk) 16:14, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

I indeffed the two named accounts (the more recent one posted to Sam's Talk page, which I also reverted), and I've semi-protected the article to take care of the IPs.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:00, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

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Thank you, and my best wishes in return! - Sitush (talk) 10:24, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Edit warring and IP hopping

On Mala (caste) for about 2 weeks. Bladesmulti (talk) 05:57, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Bladesmulti I added page protection for a period of one month. If it continues after a month, leave a message here or on my talk page. Bgwhite (talk) 06:15, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

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Thank you, and my best wishes in return! - Sitush (talk) 10:24, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Freedom Park

Hi Sitush, thanks for reverting Gollymemolly on Freedom Park. I wasn't aware of WP:LTA/IAC. On a side note, one for the refs that was removed by the editor is a page on the IAC website. Would it be advisable to get rid of that and use one from a newspaper? I know atleast two-three English papers would have published the matter. Cheerio, -_Rsrikanth05 (talk) 11:19, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

The "IAC website" is itself a controversial issue. I thought that I had removed it but maybe I've confused myself with a copyedit on another article where I reverted the sock. It certainly should be replaced. - Sitush (talk) 11:48, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

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Prithviraj Kapoor born in Peshewar

Well you have changed the birthplace Prithviraj Kapoor from Peshewar into Lyallpur, many Indians and readers don't believe that people can be born in Peshewar while beeing Hindu and give Punjab label to them while being ethnic Pathan Hindu, can you revert that because Indians from Afghanistan and Peshewar do excist, the Kapoor family mostly comes form Peshewar and Afghanistan origine while others put them in a Punjab section.

It is sourced, so it really doesn't matter what "many Indians and readers" deduce using their own ethno-religious prejudices. Unless you can find a reliable source that differs, the birthplace will remain as Lyallpur. - Sitush (talk) 10:26, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

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I prostrate myself before you, Dougweller, oh arbitrator-designate. Thanks very much. - Sitush (talk) 10:26, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Hotrayrain

Hi, I wondered if I could ask your advice about Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Hotrayrain. It's a Punjab village with 4000 inhabitants. Does that qualify? Also there seems to be some question about the name. Is there a good source for names of villages in Pakistan? Thanks. – Margin1522 (talk) 02:17, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Inhabited placed are inherently notable. I don't like that but it is the consensus.

I've seen thousands of articles for Indian and Pakistani villages that don't have a single source, often not even co-ordinates. Only once have I seen such things deleted and that was a nuking of several hundred by the now-departed PMDrive1061 (talk · contribs) in particularly problematic circumstances. Unless you can prove the thing to be a hoax, the chances of it being deleted are negligible.

I've no idea how to verify the name, which is transliterated anyway. I vaguely recall that not even all villages are named in the census but I also vaguely recall that the Pakistan census is not available online. Wikimapia, Google Maps etc are of course not reliable sources because at least some of their content is user-generated. Sorry that I cannot be of more help. - Sitush (talk) 10:23, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

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Oh BTW Merry Christmas friend. :) Jim Carter 11:42, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! I've replied at the talk page and sent the thing to AfD. My list of things to search for is long but I've never yet found anything of substance for this particular clan. - Sitush (talk) 11:47, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

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