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On a second look through and rethinking, it appears the quotations are already integrated into the article content. Removing the long quotes due to redundancy, as well. -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">]</span> ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">] ]</span> 02:14, 15 January 2015 (UTC) On a second look through and rethinking, it appears the quotations are already integrated into the article content. Removing the long quotes due to redundancy, as well. -- <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #0099FF, -4px -4px 15px #99FF00;">]</span> ● <span style="text-shadow: 4px 4px 15px #FF9900, -4px -4px 15px #FF0099;">] ]</span> 02:14, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
:{{reply to|Winkelvi}} Thanks for the fixes and for pointing out. -] ] 12:10, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

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Upright bass

The wording has been batted back and forth about the Kate Davis/Scott Bradlee cover. We should decide how best to present the information. Here are the various versions that have been tried:

  • Jan 3:

    In early September 2014, multi-instrumentalist Kate Davis sang the song and played double bass for Scott Bradlee's Postmodern Jukebox video channel; in three months their 1940s jazz version, called "All About that (Upright) Bass", had received 8 million hits.

  • Jan 7:

    In September 2014, American musicians Kate Davis and Scott Bradlee released a cover version of the track.

  • Jan 9:

    On Septmber 10, a rendition entitled "All About That (Upright) Bass" by American singer Kate Davis went viral, following its premiere on Scott Bradlee's Postmodern Jukebox. Davis' version saw her accompanied by a double bass and it took on a 1940s jazz theme.

References

  1. Min, Ariel (December 10, 2014). "YouTube crooner all about that upright bass and then some". Art Beat: PBS Newshour. Retrieved January 3, 2015.
  2. Barness, Sarah (September 10, 2014). "'All About That (Upright) Bass' Gives A Jazzy Twist To A Great Message". Huff Post Entertainment. Retrieved January 3, 2015.
  3. Leight, Elias (November 17, 2014). "Scott Bradlee & Postmodern Jukebox Premiere New Orleans-Style Sam Smith Cover: Exclusive". Billboard. Prometheus Global Media. Retrieved December 30, 2014.

The problem with the Jan 7 version is that it does not tell the reader why the cover is notable. The problem with the Jan 9 version is that it makes the mistaken assumption that the song went viral immediately; the sources do not determine when it achieved that status. It also uses clunky wording, with September 10 and "its premiere on Scott Bradlee's Postmodern Jukebox" presented as if they are different release dates, when in fact we can see that video was uploaded to YouTube on Sept 5, which was its premiere on Bradlee's Postmodern Jukebox. The Sept 10 date was merely when HuffPost noticed it. And Davis plays the bass, not someone accompanying her. Finally, the Billboard reference #3 is interesting and somewhat helpful, telling us that the cover version was Bradlee's idea, but the reference is primarily about another song, and about Postmodern Jukebox. References #1 and #2 are primarily about the cover version. Binksternet (talk) 21:37, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

@Binksternet: My issue with the wording is the following:
  1. "multi-instrumentalist" reads as an advertisement in this case when the word "musician" is more neutral and is what is used in Davis' infobox.
  2. "early September" is vague. We need to be accurate, if it was posted on 5 Sept then that's the date we should use. WP:REALTIME
  3. I used the word viral to avoid "in three months got 8 million hits" which reads again as an advertisement and sounds very informal. YouTube views are also generally avoided in song articles as I've observed in many GA reviews for song articles. It is also already stated in the same section that the song invited a slew of viral videos and tributes. If we were to state how many views Davis' cover got, we might as well say how many Bieber's got or NASA's got, hence the use of the "invited a slew of viral videos and tributes" to avoid such a scenario.
  4. Your wording is also vague in the sense that it first says Davis covered the song for Bradlee and then later you say "their version"?
  5. "their 1940s jazz version" could be written more encyclopedic, it's written as a fact here when its reads as an opinion.
  6. One reference which backs up the whole sentence is really enough. WP:OVERKILL
  7. Why use "Huff Post" in the citation when they are professionally known as The Huffington Post? WP:COMMONNAME - Lips 22:01, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
If the facts are spread over several references, then that's the number of required references. It's always possible to combine refs into one footnote to answer your concern. The number of hits is what makes the version notable. The exact upload date of the cover is not important to this article about the song. I don't see any problem with adding the number of hits certain covers received. In fact, we already say how many 'likes' Trainor got on Facebook.
How about this wording?

In early September 2014, Kate Davis sang the song and played double bass under the leadership of pianist Scott Bradlee; in three months their 1940s jazz-style version, called "All About that (Upright) Bass", had received 8 million hits on Bradlee's Postmodern Jukebox video channel.

References

  1. Min, Ariel (December 10, 2014). "YouTube crooner all about that upright bass and then some". Art Beat: PBS Newshour. Retrieved January 3, 2015.
     • Barness, Sarah (September 10, 2014). "'All About That (Upright) Bass' Gives A Jazzy Twist To A Great Message". Huff Post Entertainment. Retrieved January 3, 2015.
     • Leight, Elias (November 17, 2014). "Scott Bradlee & Postmodern Jukebox Premiere New Orleans-Style Sam Smith Cover: Exclusive". Billboard. Prometheus Global Media. Retrieved December 30, 2014.
All three references are combined here, as all three are needed for specific facts. Binksternet (talk) 22:25, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
Understood. That works perfectly. Though the PBS NewsWire ref should be linked with PBS as its publisher. Huff Post Entertainment should be The Huffington Post with AOL as its publisher. Thanks.- Lips

Long quotations highlighted in quote boxes

Highlighting quotations in large quote boxes is really inappropriate. Look at Misplaced Pages articles on some of the undisputed greatest songs of all time, and you don't see long quotations in quote boxes. WP:QUOTE is a good WP:MOS article to read and get a better idea about how quotations are to be used in articles. Incorporating portions of the quotes into the article content is more appropriate. -- WV 01:59, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

On a second look through and rethinking, it appears the quotations are already integrated into the article content. Removing the long quotes due to redundancy, as well. -- WV 02:14, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

@Winkelvi: Thanks for the fixes and for pointing out. - Lips 12:10, 15 January 2015 (UTC)
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