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			==Inaccurate==
			Aside from the notability concerns about this article (''JWs in Sweden'' do not constitute significant proportion of either ''people in Sweden'' or of ''JWs generally''), there are also problems with the claims made in the article. Firstly, there was no group called ''Jehovah's Witnesses'' prior to 1931, and the article incorrectly conflates JWs with the ]. Secondly, there was never a JW ''headquarters'' in Sweden, only a subsidiary ''branch office''. It isn't a 'Swedish movement', but part of the larger organisation. The denomination is headquartered in the United States.--] (]) 15:15, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
			:The article follows reliable sources. Assuming good faith, I preserved the SOU's statement about its founding date, while inserting the NE's earlier date. "Movement" is a translation of the Swedish in "NE". You are welcome to copy edit the article, as long as your edits faithfully present the material in the reliable sources. ] ] 15:28, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
			:The SOU gives roughly the same history without any citations, however. If you cite the SOU (p. 156) for example after using Google translate if you don't know Swedish, then you are welcome to clarify the name change of 1931. ] ] 20:33, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
			::The details are wrong, as is the claim that (even as the ''Bible Student movement'') the organisation 'started in 1909'. 'JWs in Sweden' isn't a separate 'organisation'. 1909 is simply when the ''Bible Students'' arrived ''in Sweden''. There's nothing presented that could not be stated in a single paragraph at ], but if it is to be retained as a separate article, it's clear that it will need constant supervision.--] (]) 23:08, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
			:::Improve the article with a reliable source, giving page numbers, as I have tried to do, please. ] ] 23:24, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

			== SOU on pacifists ==

			There are remarkable quotations from earlier government commissions on earlier views of Jehovah's Witnesses---for example comparing them in their suitability for wartime service to alcoholics and asocial persons (p. 156). As with other countries, the history of JW pacificism and conflicts with military service apparently suffices in the case of Sweden for a self-standing article. ] ] 20:27, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
			:If there is sufficient information in reliable sources, ] is a suitable place for such content.--] (]) 23:05, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

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Aside from the notability concerns about this article (JWs in Sweden do not constitute significant proportion of either people in Sweden or of JWs generally), there are also problems with the claims made in the article. Firstly, there was no group called Jehovah's Witnesses prior to 1931, and the article incorrectly conflates JWs with the Bible Student movement. Secondly, there was never a JW headquarters in Sweden, only a subsidiary branch office. It isn't a 'Swedish movement', but part of the larger organisation. The denomination is headquartered in the United States.--Jeffro77 (talk) 15:15, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

The article follows reliable sources. Assuming good faith, I preserved the SOU's statement about its founding date, while inserting the NE's earlier date. "Movement" is a translation of the Swedish in "NE". You are welcome to copy edit the article, as long as your edits faithfully present the material in the reliable sources. is a 15:28, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

The SOU gives roughly the same history without any citations, however. If you cite the SOU (p. 156) for example after using Google translate if you don't know Swedish, then you are welcome to clarify the name change of 1931. is a 20:33, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

The details are wrong, as is the claim that (even as the Bible Student movement) the organisation 'started in 1909'. 'JWs in Sweden' isn't a separate 'organisation'. 1909 is simply when the Bible Students arrived in Sweden. There's nothing presented that could not be stated in a single paragraph at Religion in Sweden, but if it is to be retained as a separate article, it's clear that it will need constant supervision.--Jeffro77 (talk) 23:08, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Improve the article with a reliable source, giving page numbers, as I have tried to do, please. is a 23:24, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

SOU on pacifists

There are remarkable quotations from earlier government commissions on earlier views of Jehovah's Witnesses---for example comparing them in their suitability for wartime service to alcoholics and asocial persons (p. 156). As with other countries, the history of JW pacificism and conflicts with military service apparently suffices in the case of Sweden for a self-standing article. is a 20:27, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

If there is sufficient information in reliable sources, Jehovah's Witnesses and governments is a suitable place for such content.--Jeffro77 (talk) 23:05, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

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