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How come so little information is provided on Malik Shah I. I don't know anything about this, but quite a significant figure and empire, isn't it?--Xactnoreg (talk) 00:15, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

I like this figure and empire, too. But, sorry, I don't have source about this topic. I hope other peoples will improve this article.Ti2008 (talk) 12:19, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Princes ?

It reads:Malik Shah expanded Seljuk power into Syria at the expense of the Fatimids of Egypt, setting up client princes in Edessa, Aleppo and Damascus. What were these principalities ? Were they the beyliks ? If so, there were many in Anatolia, like Danishmends, Saltukids, etc.  ? But conventionally, they were either called as beylik in Turkish or emirate in Arabic. If these principalities were the Crusader principalities than the information is irrevelant here. Because, Crusades were later than Malik Shah's death. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 14:35, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

They aren't the crusader ones (they never ruled Aleppo or Damascus). Are these the territories ruled by Tutush, Duqaq, Ridwan, etc? Adam Bishop (talk) 22:37, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

"Principality" seems like a perfectly reasonable English rendition of "emirate," so long as we're speaking informally rather than using official names. john k (talk) 07:23, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Unexplained disruptive edits... again

Qara xan what are your reasons for changing/messing up the way the sources are and removal of sources and changing the names of several figures? i want a answer in the upcoming days. And if you won't answer in the following days, i will revert the edit. And if you revert my edit once again and still keep ignoring me, i won't make the same mistake again and i will right away report you to an admin. By the way, if you randomly accuse me of vandalism (you probably don't even know its meaning) once more i will also report you for that. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:16, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

My reasons are following.

1-You removed some information from the template (including Malik-Shah’s kunya, laqab etc.)

2-You removed Arabic form of Malik-Shah’s name. Arabic was language of learning. During the Seljuq Empire, many history books about Seljuqs were written in Arabic so it has to be in the article.

3-You changed first sentence of the article and removed its 3 references.

4-You changed this information (In 1064, Malik-Shah took part Alp Arslan’s campaign in the Caucasus.) and removed its reference. You want to add that Nizam al-Mulk took part in that campaign too, but you can't delete reference. Also in that reference (Encyclopædia Iranica) which you removed, there is not information about the vizier took part in that campaign.

By the way, I always try to be polite to wiki editors, but you are always attacking me. Please read these articles WP:Civility and WP:Edit warring carefully because you have been blocked 8 times until now and comply with the rules. --Qara khan 18:47, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

1-It should not be there, these kind of things are not in a good article. Take a look on Al-Mu'tadid FOR EXAMPLE (writing it with caps lock so you actually read the word properly). It should be somewhere else, but i am not done.

2-If you bothered to read what i wrote before, i am not done and i am going to doing it in a different way since i am going to change the intro.

3-No, i only converted them and removed one of them which i will convert later. I will say it once more; I am not done yet.

4-No, i did not. If you actually bothered to read the article you would see it. Here it is; In 1064, Malik-Shah, only 9 years old by then, along with Nizam al-Mulk, the Persian vizier of the Empire, took part Alp Arslan’s campaign in the Caucasus.

5-Great banter, and thank you, but i already know the rules. Don't worry, you turn will come soon if you continue with this behavior. Although i have been blocked a few times, i have also made a giant major contribution to Misplaced Pages and i am important member in Middle Eastern-related things in Misplaced Pages. Think about that when you say such things next time ;). --HistoryofIran (talk) 19:03, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

I want to correct your this mistake. Nizam al-Mulk was vizier of the Seljuq Empire from 29 November 1064 (after Al-Kunduri's execution). Alp Arslan’s campaign in the Caucasus took place in Rabīʿ I, 456 AH. (In the Hijri calendar) --- February-March 1064 (In the Gregorian calendar) so during the campaign, Nizam al-Mulk was not vizier of the Empire. --Qara khan 22:31, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

You have absolutely no source which proves that and the source which i added said that Nizam al-Mulk took part in the campaign. End of the story. If you want to help me, or better yet, if you want to help the whole Misplaced Pages community, then keep your hands of the revert button. You're not helping at all. Understood? --HistoryofIran (talk) 00:53, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

I have source Encyclopædia Iranica (Here is). You can also read about that in Nizam al-Mulk article. You just don't want to accept that you are wrong. I have clearly explained that why i reverted you. Understood? --Qara khan 12:39, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

If you actually bothered to read the source you posted, you would see that it said Nizam al-Mulk took part in it: he undertook a campaign in the northwest which resulted in significant gains at the expense of Byzantine Armenia; Neẓām-al-molk and the sultan’s son, Malekšāh, operated separately during part of the campaign, each taking a string of fortresses. They rejoined the sultan to take Sepīd Šahr and Ānī.

At least you tried. Anything more to say? if not, then i will continue expanding this article. --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:43, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

You don't want to understand me. I say that during Alp Arslan’s campaign in the Caucasus, Nizam al-Mulk was not vizier of the Seljuq Empire. Continue expanding this article but don't remove referenced information. --Qara khan 13:04, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Or maybe because you speak a very broken and confusing form of English.. Alright, i will remove the vizier word, happy? --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:09, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

No. Because the reference (Encyclopædia Iranica) about Malik-Shah don't say that information. Probably that information is not important for Malik-Shah article. Malik-Shah article is not about Nizam al-Mulk. You can add that information to either Nizam al-Mulk article or Alp Arslan article which source Iranica says. --Qara khan 13:40, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

That's quite wrong, i don't have to write exactly like the source. You can't decide how i write my articles. I have created over 300 articles and greatly expanded many others, so i think i know this more than you. --HistoryofIran (talk) 13:42, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

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