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| :Thank you for your work on editing the Israel article. I do not think the article has a NPOV, and I think it is pro-Jewish and anti-Arab. The article details many events with fewer than 50 Jewish deaths, such as the “On 11 March 1978, a PLO guerilla raid from Lebanon led to the ], in which 38 Israeli civilians were killed and 71 injured” statement in the article. When I tried to add references to events with greater than 50 non-Jewish deaths, such as the ] and ], they where immediately reverted, and there is still no mention of these events in the article. When I tried to add casualty numbers to the one sentence referencing the ], this change was also reverted. I believe all these events are at least as relevant to Israel's history as the Coastal Road Massacre, and should be included in a NPOV article. I believe they we deleted because most of the editors want an article that reflects their pro-Jewish/anti-Arab bias, and not a NPOV article. I am not Arab or Jewish, I have no bias feelings either way on the subject, and I am only interested in seeing a NPOV article. ] (]) | :Thank you for your work on editing the Israel article. I do not think the article has a NPOV, and I think it is pro-Jewish and anti-Arab. The article details many events with fewer than 50 Jewish deaths, such as the “On 11 March 1978, a PLO guerilla raid from Lebanon led to the ], in which 38 Israeli civilians were killed and 71 injured” statement in the article. When I tried to add references to events with greater than 50 non-Jewish deaths, such as the ] and ], they where immediately reverted, and there is still no mention of these events in the article. When I tried to add casualty numbers to the one sentence referencing the ], this change was also reverted. I believe all these events are at least as relevant to Israel's history as the Coastal Road Massacre, and should be included in a NPOV article. I believe they we deleted because most of the editors want an article that reflects their pro-Jewish/anti-Arab bias, and not a NPOV article. I am not Arab or Jewish, I have no bias feelings either way on the subject, and I am only interested in seeing a NPOV article. ] (]) | ||
| == Noting Edit Warring and POV-pushing is not a form of personal attack == | |||
| == Personal attack == | |||
| You created a talk page section accusing me of edit warring (consisting of two non-identical edits), I explained the edit and the discussion of the content continued. My alleged edit warring was the subject of the first 4 posts while there were so far 23 other posts discussing the content. Article talk page is not the place to discuss editor behavior, it is the place to discuss article content. ] specifically say "Don't address other users in a heading" and "Never use headings to attack other users". | You created a talk page section accusing me of edit warring (consisting of two non-identical edits), I explained the edit and the discussion of the content continued. My alleged edit warring was the subject of the first 4 posts while there were so far 23 other posts discussing the content. Article talk page is not the place to discuss editor behavior, it is the place to discuss article content. ] specifically say "Don't address other users in a heading" and "Never use headings to attack other users". | ||
| I see your original section title and especially your refusal to change it to one that actually represents the content of the discussion as a ]. If it is not your intent, please correct the title and be more careful in the future. ]]] 22:07, 24 January 2015 (UTC) | I see your original section title and especially your refusal to change it to one that actually represents the content of the discussion as a ]. If it is not your intent, please correct the title and be more careful in the future. ]]] 22:07, 24 January 2015 (UTC) | ||
| :You have been Edit Warring, and 100% of your edits that I have seen in the Israel article to date push a pro-Jewish/anti-Arab POV. I am noting your destructive behavior as an editor, as all good editors should. Please take it as constructive criticism, it is not a form of personal attack. As far as I know you are a good person, and, if you stop edit warring and POV-pushing, you can be a useful editor. Currently, you are a destructive editor who interferes with NPOV editing. ] (]) 22:46, 25 January 2015 (UTC) | |||
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Talk Israel thread: This article details Jewish casualties but not Arab casualties, is it giving a NPOV?
You started the above named RfC thread recently. I have recently added a subheading restating the initial question as I considered that the discussion was veering off topic. I know that you also added other perspectives / rephrasings in regard to this question which I may have reverted and thought you should be aware that I have only gone as far as to refer back to the original question.
I would also be interested in hearing of specific reverts of information that I think that I would regard to be Censored.
GregKaye 12:45, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
- Thank you for your work on editing the Israel article. I do not think the article has a NPOV, and I think it is pro-Jewish and anti-Arab. The article details many events with fewer than 50 Jewish deaths, such as the “On 11 March 1978, a PLO guerilla raid from Lebanon led to the Coastal Road Massacre, in which 38 Israeli civilians were killed and 71 injured” statement in the article. When I tried to add references to events with greater than 50 non-Jewish deaths, such as the Deir Yassin massacre and King David Hotel bombing, they where immediately reverted, and there is still no mention of these events in the article. When I tried to add casualty numbers to the one sentence referencing the 1936–39 Arab revolt in Palestine, this change was also reverted. I believe all these events are at least as relevant to Israel's history as the Coastal Road Massacre, and should be included in a NPOV article. I believe they we deleted because most of the editors want an article that reflects their pro-Jewish/anti-Arab bias, and not a NPOV article. I am not Arab or Jewish, I have no bias feelings either way on the subject, and I am only interested in seeing a NPOV article. Gouncbeatduke (talk)
Noting Edit Warring and POV-pushing is not a form of personal attack
You created a talk page section accusing me of edit warring (consisting of two non-identical edits), I explained the edit and the discussion of the content continued. My alleged edit warring was the subject of the first 4 posts while there were so far 23 other posts discussing the content. Article talk page is not the place to discuss editor behavior, it is the place to discuss article content. Talk page guidelines specifically say "Don't address other users in a heading" and "Never use headings to attack other users". I see your original section title and especially your refusal to change it to one that actually represents the content of the discussion as a personal attack. If it is not your intent, please correct the title and be more careful in the future. “WarKosign” 22:07, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
- You have been Edit Warring, and 100% of your edits that I have seen in the Israel article to date push a pro-Jewish/anti-Arab POV. I am noting your destructive behavior as an editor, as all good editors should. Please take it as constructive criticism, it is not a form of personal attack. As far as I know you are a good person, and, if you stop edit warring and POV-pushing, you can be a useful editor. Currently, you are a destructive editor who interferes with NPOV editing. Gouncbeatduke (talk) 22:46, 25 January 2015 (UTC)