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Casual (subculture)

Because the fact that it started in Liverpool is well documented (as stated), whilst the dubious claim that it was already on the way elsewhere isn't. As i have already said, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and a chance to cite your info. if you want to keep it then cite it. You could attempt to argue your point under your 'Ghmyrtle' username, you know.

1. The issue is your poor choice of words. You cannot make a claim that something started in place "A" and at the same time claim that it was already present in place "B". Additionally, the "Perry boys" source states that Manchester also had a casual scene form the middle of the seventies.
2. I couldn't argue the point under my 'Ghmyrtle' username, because it's not my username. My username is Chaheel Riens. Accusing editors of sock-puppetry is unlikely to win you friends and influence people to your argument. I'll let it slide this time and not take it to ANI, but you might as well consider yourself warned. Chaheel Riens (talk) 21:43, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

This isn't about making friends or influencing people. Despite your subtle,though basically transparent attempts at trying to convince me it is. Otherwise you'd be realising and addressing the fact that actually, someone else chose to ask you for relevant reasons to justify leaving in unsubstantiated contributions yesterday on your Ghmyrtle talk page. No, this is about a lot of unsubstantiated flight of fancy attempting to undermine appropriately referenced, well documented (the perry boys included) fact. The issue about the whole article no-longer making any sense stems from someone restructuring fully referenced, undisputed, well documented facts in an attempt at shoehorning in unsubstantiated, non cited personal opinions. Some of the wording has been added (your point "A") by this contributor also, which as a result obviously makes the original text from the original contributor, but then left behind by the unsubstantiated contributor now seem contradictory. The article made perfect sense before this delusional contribution, just as you no doubt suspect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Richie bedfellows (talk • contribs) 09:01, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

I wasn't arguing the original choice of words, but those that you added. They were poor and made no sense.

The fact that you are still accusing Ghmyrtle and I of being the same user is no longer acceptable. I'm going away for the weekend, so I'll give you until I get back on Sunday to realise the seriousness of such claims and strike those comments, otherwise it'll be off to AN or ANI. Chaheel Riens (talk) 15:38, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

But they wasn't poor and made perfect sense unless read in the context of something that had already been re-edited from the original text then left there by someone who had reverted the original text. You seem to think "Although most football fans associate Liverpool fans with....." It wasn't. Don't be waiting around for the weekend to finish, my friend. I can 100% guarantee right now i won't be thinking about anything of the sort over the next two days. As I've already told you...do your worst. I have plenty of legitimate reasons for suspicion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Richie bedfellows (talk • contribs) 16:22, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

You mean they "weren't poor", not "wasn't poor". Anyhoo - report filed at wp:ani, as per your request. Chaheel Riens (talk) 21:10, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

No, that isn't what i mean, and if that's all you have then lots of luck. I look forward to it