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*'''Conditional Support''' the article has been quite nicely updated, 5kb of new text. There remain just a few cn tags--I'll change to support from my oppose once these are addressed. *'''Conditional Support''' the article has been quite nicely updated, 5kb of new text. There remain just a few cn tags--I'll change to support from my oppose once these are addressed.
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Article: Tsarap River (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A landslide dam in the Tsarap River in Ladakh has created an artificial lake which extended 15 km in length. (Post)
News source(s): NASA, Kashmir Life
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Article updatedNominator's comments: Breach of dam can cause flashfloods and can be disastrous to the people living at down the river.  MehrajMir (Talk) 14:05, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

RD: Ann Mara

Article: Ann Mara (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYDaily WSJ Daily Mail
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: the matriarch of the NFL's New York Giants and businesswoman  - The Herald (here I am) 13:32, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
  • Weak oppose. I'm not seeing which of the criteria she meets. Reading the article I'm not clear on what she did for football other than being related to the Giants staff. If her influence on football was made clearer to me I would reconsider. 331dot (talk) 13:36, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

2015 World Men's Handball Championship

Article: 2015 World Men's Handball Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At the World Men's Handball Championship, France beats Qatar in the final to win a record fifth world championship. (Post)
News source(s): Gulf Times
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The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.Nominator's comments: The result of the previous final has been announced on the main page. Now we also have a record-breaking fifth win for France.  - Thierry Caro (talk) 18:55, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
  • Light Support World championships are notable, but Handball is a minor sport in terms of popularity. I've seen some other sports with comparable popularity or greater popularity not posted. Busy Moose (talk) 19:05, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
@Busy Moose: This is on the ITNR list, so this is presumed notable enough for posting, but as pointed out, the article must get an adequate update. 331dot (talk) 02:12, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
It's likely presumed notable by the nominator. Generally nominators don't put up things if they don't think it wouldn't have a chance to be accepted, but in theory they could nominate things they see as worthy that the community would think is inappropriate. You raise a good point with the update, however. But even with the update, I still think I would only give nominal support. Busy Moose (talk) 02:45, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

2015 Australian Open

Article: 2015 Australian Open (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Australian Open tennis tournament concludes with Novak Djokovic winning the men's singles and Serena Williams winning the women's singles. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.Nominator's comments: Important ongoing event, but not yet complete. Men's singles' results are awaited.  - The Herald (here I am) 14:36, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

I support going ahead with the blurb now for Serena and adding the men's result later. Why wait?--Johnsemlak (talk) 06:05, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

I agree with Johnsemlak. I support it.--BabbaQ (talk) 17:14, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
Not ready. None of the three articles has even a paragraph on the winners and/or finals. There are just big data tables, and a statement of the winner in the lead/infobox. This needs some referenced prose before it can go up. Modest Genius 18:44, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

RD: Richard von Weizsäcker

Duplicate nomination, see below. 331dot (talk) 11:47, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

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Article: Richard von Weizsäcker (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: President of West Germany and Germany between 1984 and 1994. Germany's first president after reunification. APK whisper in my ear 11:23, 1 February 2015 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Super Bowl XLIX

Article: Super Bowl XLIX (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In American football, the New England Patriots defeat the Seattle Seahawks to win Super Bowl XLIX. (Post)
Credits:
Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.Nominator's comments: Since this will probably get contentious, it is better to start the discussion early. Patriots or Seahawks. Nergaal (talk) 03:32, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
What exactly will be contentious? This is ITNR so the merits don't even need to be discussed. 331dot (talk) 03:42, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
As a prelim note, sections on the playoffs are unreferenced, and should be fixed before posting which can be done now before the game.also go hawks --MASEM (t) 03:46, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 Done Spencer 06:47, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
I don't understand why this would be contentious. News about the winner definitely needs to be in. Busy Moose (talk) 19:06, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
The fact that this is nominated early is contentious. It is notable (per ITNR) such that only a good update is required for it to be posted. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:09, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
Usually it gets posted immediately by some trigger-happy admin who doesn't wait for there to be a proper update. It should obviously go up as soon as the article is ready, but not before. Modest Genius 00:07, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

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Kenji Goto allegedly beheaded

Articles: Kenji Goto (talk · history · tag) and ISIL beheading incidents (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant releases a video allegedly showing the beheading of Japanese journalist Kenji Goto. (Post)
News source(s): NBC News, ABC News The Guardian, BBC News
Credits: Nominator's comments: Lead story on the BBC and NBC News, also lots of coverage from elsewhere in the world as indicated by other links above. Video has not been confirmed to be authentic, hence use of "allegedly". Everymorning talk 23:15, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

RD: Geraldine McEwan

Article: Geraldine McEwan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: McEwan had a long career on screen and in the theatre, she won a BAFTA and was perhaps best known for playing Miss Marple in recent years. JuneGloom07 Talk 18:22, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
Be aware, please, that's not what I said. I said her face was recognizable to Americans, not that she was solely identified with Miss Marple. Again, I'd like to hear more from our friends acrost the pond. μηδείς (talk) 22:24, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Weak oppose along the likes of TRM. One BAFTA may be significant, but the current shape of the article doesn't give an impression of how important she was as an actress - it's all rote details like rolls and the like. While her key role is memorable, I don't think that's sufficient alone here. --MASEM (t) 22:17, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose as she doesn't seem to meet the criteria. 331dot (talk) 03:45, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
  • Weak support. Had she accepted the damehood that she reportedly turned down in 2002, her notability quotient would presumably be higher - but, in any case,a very well known and respected actress to UK TV, film (Wallace and Gromit, etc.) and theatre audiences. Article not the greatest, though. Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:59, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Sergio Mattarella

Proposed image Articles: Sergio Mattarella (talk · history · tag) and President of Italy (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Constitutional Court judge Sergio Mattarella is elected 12th President of Italy, following retired long-time president Giorgio Napolitano. (Post)
News source(s): NYT, WSJ
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One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.Nominator's comments: A newly elected President of Italy is international top news. PanchoS (talk) 16:21, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
You do realize that these two nominations are of two different types, one is ITNC and the other is RD? ;) I agree that it would help to have better references though the president part is fine in principle. --Tone 22:41, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
Well, in the distant future, when Mattarella has some accomplishments as president, we can look at them. Otherwise, it's a ceremonial post, and we should never have posted the resignation of the prior holder of this office. And where's the discussion by which this became a part of ITNR? μηδείς (talk) 23:48, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
It was unilaterally added here, as a result of this "discussion"Mogism (talk) 23:57, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
I'm wondering why you are now questioning the posting of changes in head of state when it has been done somewhat consistently the entire time I have been here. I in no way am suggesting any nefarious motive but I am just curious as to why now. 331dot (talk) 03:47, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
I assume you are questioning me? So far as I can tell, "presidents" in Europe are like Vice Presidents in the US. Stand-ins when trhe Prime Minister is too busy. Kind of like how Joe Biden attended the Charlie Hebdo unity march, because president Obama was too busy campaigning in Berlin. μηδείς (talk) 04:44, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
The President of Italy is not like the Vice President of the US, and it is not just a ceremonial post. Among the other things he dissolves the Parliament and names the PM: please note that, while in some cases he has "hands tied" in other cases he has not, and he can decide whether or not to dissolve Parliament, and who to name as PM (as it happened e.g. with Mario Monti a few years ago). Anyway, Mattarella is going to be sworn on February 3rd: we may wait for Tuesday to write something like Sergio Mattarella is sworn as the 12th President of Italy. --Jaqen (talk) 10:30, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
There shouldn't be any need for support as this is on ITNR, but for some reason people are questioning this. It's the succession of a new head of state, ergo should be posted. I am agnostic on whether we should post now or when he actually assumes the office. Modest Genius 18:51, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
Better referenced than when I first looked. I questioned it because it was sub-standard, nothing else. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:08, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

RD: Carl Djerassi

Proposed image Article: Carl Djerassi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Sueddeutsche.de Handelsblatt
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: Austrian-American and Bulgarian chemist, novelist, and playwright who is known for his contribution to the development of oral contraceptive pills  - The Herald (here I am) 14:04, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

RD: Richard von Weizsäcker

Proposed image Article: Richard von Weizsäcker (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC WSJ
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: Former German President  - The Herald (here I am) 13:58, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
What referencing issues are you referring to? 331dot (talk) 03:52, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, I thought you might have looked at the article. For instance, the entire "Early life" section is completely unreferenced. "Other activities (selection)" section is entirely unsourced. "List of state visits" section has not one single reference. I apologise, I thought it was obvious what the referencing issues were. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:40, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
I did look at it, as I look at each nominated article; please don't assume that what is obvious to you is obvious to everyone else. I saw many references at the bottom of the page so I initially thought that was sufficient. 331dot (talk) 11:26, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
Yes, that's a problematic approach, just basing a decision on sheer volume of references. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:55, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the unsolicited opinion about my approaches. That isn't what I solely based my decision on but I don't really think this page is for analyzing my decisions. 331dot (talk) 12:11, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
No, but worth admins closing ITN candidates understanding that your support isn't based on whether an article is correctly referenced, just has lots of references. Certainly significant here. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:12, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
I'm sorry I'm not as familiar with referencing as you are. Frankly I didn't think the sections without references were just made up and that perhaps the references were just not properly placed or something. Perfect should not be the enemy of good. 331dot (talk) 22:03, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
Nobody mentioned perfect. Someone mentioned whole sections without a single reference. Your frankness is laudable but doesn't help improve the content of Misplaced Pages, does it? The Rambling Man (talk) 22:15, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
Your sarcasm toward other, especially new users, hardly helps improve Misplaced Pages. I don't see a need to comment further. 331dot (talk) 22:18, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
Then why did you? I called you out for supporting a sub-standard article and now you get all pissy? Noted. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:24, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
Everyone has their opinions on what the standard is for article quality to be ITN. Keep in mind that mine and yours focus on referencing especially. --AmaryllisGardener 22:29, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose regardless of quality, the role was ceremonial. I was studying German in high school and university during the entire time of his presidency, and he never played a role comparable to any of the Helmuts. μηδείς (talk) 22:07, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Support per nom. —Jonny Nixon - (Talk) 05:31, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
  • Support. I support this. I will try and go into the library later on and reference the article through biographies. Zwerg Nase (talk) 11:08, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
  • Comment – Although von Weizsäcker is a famous name in Germany (and in German history), I don't believe it's widely known in the English-speaking world (although, since Richard studied in Britain, perhaps he's more widely known there). OTOH, he was a head of state – at a key time. Undecided. Sca (talk) 13:55, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
  • Support - Major political figure in an important country at an important time. Maybe not widely known in the UK, but sufficiently well-known that his omission from RD would seem extremely strange. Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:52, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
  • Please re-assess!!: I included a lot of references to the early life and political career sections, mostly from German biographies. They might not be ideal since they are inconvinient for English speaking readers but on the other hand they have more academic reliability than internet sources. Also added some english news items as references. Good to go? Zwerg Nase (talk) 18:49, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
  • Support. Meets DC2 and the article now seems to be sufficient. Modest Genius 18:53, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
  • Comment referencing is now mediocre rather than shoddy, good work from those who want to improve articles here, well played. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:11, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
Good work on the sarcasm. I am quite new to editing Misplaced Pages. If in the past 13 years that Weizsäcker was alive and Misplaced Pages was around no one cared to produce a decent article about one of the world's major leaders than maybe I am not to blame if my references that I put together in a couple of hours are not up to highest standards. I still feel that the article is now in a shape that allows it to go on the Main Page. Zwerg Nase (talk) 21:26, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
Don't let other users get you down; thanks for your work. 331dot (talk) 22:03, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
it wasn't sarcasm, the improvement is good, but there are plenty of other tags to fix. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:21, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
  • Conditional Support the article has been quite nicely updated, 5kb of new text. There remain just a few cn tags--I'll change to support from my oppose once these are addressed.

μηδείς (talk) 22:32, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the tags! I believe I got them all. Concerning the state visit table: I believe it could simply be erased from the article, but I did not want to make that decision by myself. If it stands in the way of him going to RD because it is not referenced, we might just kick it out for the moment until I can find references for every trip? But that might take some time and I believe we should put him in RD now since it's already quite embarassing that it takes Misplaced Pages 2 days to put him on the Main Page... Zwerg Nase (talk) 23:01, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
I hid the section by commenting it out. The nomination can go forward and the section can be easily restored once we have sources. (Marked Ready). μηδείς (talk) 03:42, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
So when will it appear? Zwerg Nase (talk) 09:20, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

January 30

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RD: Geraldine McEwan

Duplicate nomination, see above. Thryduulf (talk) 13:05, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


Article: Geraldine McEwan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC The Guardian
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: English actress known for Miss Marple, the Agatha Christie sleuth and a BAFTA Awardee.  - The Herald (here I am) 12:46, 1 February 2015 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

RD: Zhelyu Zhelev

Article: Zhelyu Zhelev (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Novinite, Fox News, Yahoo
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: Former head of state. Very notable for a RD tag --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:42, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
There is no obligation to fix tags before a nomination. In fact, nominations often motivate improvements. --331dot (talk) 03:49, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
I think we do need to include additional references at least to a degree where it is reasonable to remove the orange tag. That doesn't necessarily mean creating an impeccably referenced article. There's also some material under "Author" which looks to me like original research. Someone should investigate that and remove it if it is. Formerip (talk) 13:15, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
I don't disagree; my only point was that tags do not need to be fixed in order to be nominated as Seattle's rationale suggests. 331dot (talk) 13:58, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
OK, my misunderstanding. Formerip (talk) 14:13, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
I might work on it tomorrow. That said, opposes based on article quality usually say something like "Oppose, until the article is improved.", not blaming the nominator. --AmaryllisGardener 04:22, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Election of the AU Chairperson

Proposed image Article: Chairperson of the African Union (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Zimbabwean President Robert Mugabe is elected as the Chairperson of the African Union. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, ABC News, Bloomberg, BBC News
Credits:
Article updatedNominator's comments: President Mugabe is elected as the new Chairman of the continental union at the age of 90. He had also led the AU's predecessor, the Organisation of African Unity (in 1997-8). I believe this is a Recurring Event under the Elections section - the EU acts as a precedent. The event is significant as evidenced by its coverage in the major media houses. Ali Fazal (talk) 12:41, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
  • This strikes me as a weak reason to oppose. Regardless, I do oppose as well because the actual head of the African Union, like in the European Union, is the head of the Union Commission, not the chairperson. Bzweebl (talkcontribs) 20:00, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
@Mjroots:I agree that is a poor reason to oppose; very little would be posted if we only posted things about good people or good events. Publicity and legitimacy are not our concern; only what meets criteria for posting. 331dot (talk) 22:08, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
That's a completely irrelevant and invalid reason to oppose. We are not here to make judgments about Mugabe or attempt to deny him publicity. There are good reason to oppose this, but that isn't one. Neljack (talk) 22:23, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Comment. I totally disagree with Mjroots. Whilst the editor is entitled to his/her own opinion; I believe it goes against the grain of Misplaced Pages's NPOV policy. It may appear thus as untoward and biased - given the fact that Zimbabwe was a former colony of this editor's country of residence and therefore not befitting. The fact of the matter is that Mugabe has been elected by the continent's leaders and will serve his mandate. I have made a proposal at the ITN/R talkpage and would appreciate if you could take a look. Ali Fazal (talk) 23:44, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Maybe the reason is a weak one, but the opposition is still strong. As for Mugabe being elected, that is only because he rigged the last election that enabled him to be in a position to be the head of state elected to chairman of the AU. Mugabe is an international pariah, and should be treated as such, even by Misplaced Pages. Doing so does not break NPOV because Misplaced Pages would merely be following the rest of the world. Mjroots (talk) 07:53, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Misplaced Pages should not be used to make judgements of any kind. We can certainly tell people what RS state, but we aren't here to add or detract from any status Mugabe has. 331dot (talk) 10:53, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
  • I haven't denied the opposition from other editors to this nomination. Forgive my digression, but I'd like to state this for the record. What I meant regarding the NPOV was that both extreme views ought to be included on Misplaced Pages without bias i.e. his status as a nationalist hero and the other controversies. And that is why I disagree with your rationale of giving him "publicity or legitimacy; and Wikiepdia treating him as such" Why should Misplaced Pages ONLY follow the "rest of the world?" By saying this, you exclude those who disagree with your POV. As for the 2013 elections, the AU declared it as free whilst others questioned its legitimacy. Therefore, from an NPOV both views ought to be expressed here. Since yesterday's announcement, the page hits on both these articles: AU Chair and Mugabe increased by 394% and 196% respectively. This shows the level of interest of our readers has increased. Numbers don't lie and I hope these statistics will enable you all to re-consider your prior decision. Ali Fazal (talk) 13:12, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

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RD: Rod McKuen

Proposed image Article: Rod McKuen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times Billboard The Independent
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: Prolific songwriter, poet, author, twice nominated for Academy Award, once for Pulitzer Prize, including theme "Jean" to The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie and lyricist for number 1 hit and record selling (more than 10,000,000) single "Seasons in the Sun" μηδείς (talk) 05:18, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
Marked ready per above comments. Marked FriarTuck1981, Rothorpe, Bede735 as updaters. μηδείς (talk) 19:23, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Sinai attacks

Article: January 2015 Sinai attacks (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Attacks by Islamist militants in the Sinai Peninsula, Egypt, kill 32 people. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters The Guardian The Japan Times Sydney Morning Herald Zee News
Credits: Nominator's comments: One of the deadliest attacks in the Sinai insurgency so far. The last one (which was the deadliest) wasn't posted for lack of attention even though the article was in good shape. This one may need some expansion, but I won't work on it until tomorrow, if no one gets there. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 23:52, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
  • I don't want this to die out like the previous Sinai nomination, and therefore I've marked it. Three more sections were added to the article: casualties, damage and reactions (domestic and foreign). Any further recommendations? Fitzcarmalan (talk) 19:07, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
  • Sorry, still oppose, the majority of the article and its bytes is a seriously over-heaped section on the reaction. Without the super-heavy reaction section, you have 270 words about the event itself. That's sub-stub. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:17, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
  • Marked header again. To be honest, this may be the first time I hear that "bytes" defined article quality (it's just that there are many refs in the reactions section), but I think it looks fairly good now. Now I hope you don't expect me to build a B-class, or even C-class, article so soon, do you? This is still a developing story, despite being two days old. I'm currently fishing for details to add, and this is all I can find for now, unless you want to discuss the merits. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 01:31, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

RD: Colleen McCullough

Article: Colleen McCullough (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times, CNN, CNBC
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: According to the New York Times, The Thorn Birds "became an international best seller and inspired a hugely popular television mini-series". It also sold 30 million copies worldwide (see CNN link). This seems to indicate that McCullough was a very important figure in her field. Everymorning talk 20:39, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

Gunman storms Dutch TV station

There will be no consensus to post what is a minor incident of limited significance. Stephen 03:09, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

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Article: Nederlandse_Omroep_Stichting#2015_gunman_incident (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A gunman claiming to represent a 'hacker collective' stormed Dutch TV station Nederlandse Omroep Stichting demanding air time before submitting to Dutch Police. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Gunman storms Dutch TV station Nederlandse Omroep Stichting.
News source(s): NOS, BNR, Express, NBC, etc.
Credits: Nominator's comments: Temporally significant as violence in the context of European media following the Charlie Hebdo shooting in Paris earlier this month. prat (talk) 00:06, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose, no deaths as far as we know, and the hostage/shooting situation is already over with. --AmaryllisGardener 00:14, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
    • You seem to be opposing on two points, but I don't understand your argument. First, you say you oppose because there were no deaths... but death is not a requirement for news! Second, it is not ongoing news. However, I don't think 'ongoing' is a requirement either? Therefore, I cannot follow your argument. prat (talk) 00:22, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
  • There is significant global media coverage... certainly the US, across Europe, and even here in Australia. Remember, this event is only a few hours old. The question of fatalities still seems irrelevant to me. prat (talk) 00:38, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose While interesting, the event is rather insignificant in that there is virtually no national or international repercussions. But thank you for putting forward the nomination - we definitely don't get enough around here lately. Mamyles (talk) 00:49, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
  • What is required is for an event to be judged as significant by the community. I'm not sure if you have or not but please review WP:ITN for some general guidelines. National and international repercussions certainly help; merely being in the news is not sufficent. --331dot (talk) 02:13, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
  • OK, WP:ITN states under Purpose the following points, all of which I believe suit this nomination very well.
  • To help readers find and quickly access content they are likely to be searching for because an item is in the news.
  • To showcase quality Misplaced Pages content on current events.
  • To point readers to subjects they might not have been looking for but nonetheless may interest them.
  • To emphasize Misplaced Pages as a dynamic resource.
This is the real spirit of the thing... and the nomination suits it. prat (talk) 02:29, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
That is the purpose, not the criteria, which is further down that page. --331dot (talk) 02:52, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
Right, the criteria is presently an unstructured waffle that self-reports as subjective. Its main two points, 'quality' and 'significance' are inherently POV. prat (talk) 02:59, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
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RD:Yves Chauvin

Article: Yves Chauvin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT RSC
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: French chemist and 2005 Nobel Prize laureate  - The Herald (here I am) 16:50, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Improve The last update prior to his death was October 2013, the current update consists of citations (good) and a mere mention he has died. The article could use better formatting into sections, and an explicit rationale for his posting given, since it is standing policy that we don't post people just because they got the Nobel. μηδείς (talk) 19:36, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Support: Looks fine to me. —Brigade Piron (talk) 11:25, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

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2015 Corinthia Hotel attack

Article: 2015 Corinthia Hotel attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: A terror attack at a hotel in Tripoli, Libya kills ten people. (Post)
News source(s): Christian Science Monitor, Wall Street Journal, CTV News, BBC
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Article needs updatingNominator's comments: An ISIS-affiliated group has claimed responsibility for the attack (see CS Monitor link above). The event itself has received coverage from around the world. Everymorning talk 16:03, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
support but it would be nice to see an actual article about the event and not the hotel. It would probably be considered part of the Libyan Civil War (2014–present) and it looks like there's additional text and references hereMonopoly31121993 (talk) 16:54, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
Here you go. APK whisper in my ear 17:06, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
support - definitely. notable attack.--BabbaQ (talk) 22:38, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
Suppprt but think the article's a bit too thin at this point (even considering the expansion after Monopoly's comment above). --MASEM (t) 22:43, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
Suppprt - major terrorist attack. -Zanhe (talk) 03:26, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
  • The article is handsome, but light on prose, especially the body text, and has only three sources, so I am marking unupdated for now, but it really should go up as soon as it can be a little improved. μηδείς (talk) 19:31, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Michelle Obama refuses to wear veil in Saudi Arabia

this was oddly a really big thing in the news for about an hour; happily withdrawn, and collapsing for the sake of space μηδείς (talk) 19:28, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
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Snow close. Spencer 07:09, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

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Article: Michelle Obama (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In a show of feminist solidarity, Michelle Obama refuses to veil herself on a state visit to Saudi Arabia. (Post)
News source(s): Yahoo News (AP)
Credits: Nominator's comments: An American First-Lady refuses to bow to misogynistic Saudi custom μηδείς (talk) 04:57, 28 January 2015 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

RD: Charles Hard Townes

Article: Charles Hard Townes (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Berkeley University News Center
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: A Nobel Prize-winning physicist. Very notable for a RD. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 01:28, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Support as he's a Nobel Prize-winning physicist, therefore important in his field. Article needs a bit of work, though. --AmaryllisGardener 01:30, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose as of yet. The article hasn't got the required three full prose paragraph minimum even for a new article: it's just a bare list. Also, there's long-standing precedent that having won a Nobel is not by itself sufficient for a listing. μηδείς (talk) 01:38, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
Yes, the article has been improved somewhat, but things like the unsourced "2012 - Boy Scouts of America named their Webelos SUPERNOVA award for Townes" don't help. μηδείς (talk) 03:21, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
Okay I removed that information because I found it unmeaningful. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:10, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
Precedent here seems to suggest that it is not. 331dot (talk) 11:48, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

January 2015 nor'easter

At this point there's a federal meteorologist apologizing for the misforecast, and nothing out of the ordinary for New England. μηδείς (talk) 01:15, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

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Article: January 2015 nor'easter (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A nor'easter cripples the Northeastern United States. (Post)
News source(s): NPRWaPo
Credits: Nominator's comments: The predictions were for a blizzard of historic proportions. It looks like that we won't get it quite that badly, but it's still a significant disruption. States of emergency are underway. There were travel bans overnight. And we have our first death. – Muboshgu (talk) 13:35, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Not a significant one. WaPo report do not reports the issue, but on the bad weather.  - The Herald (here I am) 13:49, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Wait until the storm has concluded or nearly so and its effects can be better judged. I live in the affected area and it is significant but we should have a better handle on what the effects are before judging if it should be posted or not. 331dot (talk) 13:50, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose for now - If it turns out that this weather event is highly unusual then maybe; but a weather forecast is just that. A forecast. Pedro :  Chat  13:54, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Wait until the storm is over. It may just be a regular winter storm. Epic Genius (talk) 15:09, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Comment The proposed blurb is sensationalist. The storm did not "cripple" anywhere, the authorities prepared weeks for this and there is so far a very low death toll. Most "crippling," such as shutting down the New York City subway, was done in anticipation and possible over-preparedness of the storm. Mamyles (talk) 15:28, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Comment the BBC are referring to this as "Storm Juno", that would appear to be more appropriate than "a nor'easter". But in any case, it seems like the US was well prepared for this and as such is not really a stupendously interesting item, so weak oppose. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:28, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
Naming a winter storm is a construct of The Weather Channel, and the use is discouraged among meteorologists. It's more a marketing ploy than an encyclopedic reference, but we still could use it somewhere for identification. Mamyles (talk) 16:36, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
"...but we still could use it somewhere for identification." But not on the Main Page, please. -- tariqabjotu 17:06, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Wait, per Epic Genius. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 16:34, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose for now This storm was well-forecasted, and everyone that had power to took steps to reduce risks to residents (eg the entire shutdown of NYC yesterday). Yes much of the NE is shut down, but it is not like a surprise of the like. If the storm hit, stranded thousands and risked serious loss of life, that would be different. I agree with the wait comments that if something serious does happen, we can include it then --MASEM (t) 16:35, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose this was a huge bust in comparison to the predictions of NYC's "biggest storm ever". The current headlines are "snow job", "meteorologists apologize", "analyse modesl". Thery're getting 12" in Boston, which happens regularly during what is called winter.
  • Support There's a state of emergency in several states. This should be seen as comparable to a large hurricane, thus the new naming attempts. Busy Moose (talk) 18:46, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
    • While there is a state of emergency, it is not because they were unprepared, but to make sure critical services like fire/ambulances/etc. have the necessary priority/rights of way to deal with emergencies or the like (take the street parking ban NYC enacted), as well as to restore life to normal as soon after the snow has stopped. --MASEM (t) 18:49, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Not only is the language in the blurb melodramatic, it's also not true. The snowmageddon has failed to materialise. AlexTiefling (talk) 18:55, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
Your assessment might be correct in certain areas (NYC) but many places are getting large amounts of snow. 30 inches in Massachusetts for example. 331dot (talk) 19:12, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
There is also no power on the entire island of Nantucket along with significant flooding and near-hurricane force winds. 331dot (talk) 19:18, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
But ultimately it's just unpleasant weather, something that the US and many other parts of the world see regularly. This is in no way more notable than any other snow storm that might put a few people out. Moreover, it now looks like the powers that be are being criticised for overplaying the whole thing. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:31, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
That (the criticism at the overreaction) might be the story for ITN at the end of the day , but damned if you do, damned if you don't. It's winter, blizzards happen, this is nowhere close to the worst blizzard the NE has seen. --MASEM (t) 19:35, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
You both might be totally correct and I'm not saying this should be posted. I was only saying that some areas have indeed gotten what was initially predicted. 331dot (talk) 19:37, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
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Alberto Nisman (slight return)

Articles: Secretaría de Inteligencia (talk · history · tag) and Alberto Nisman (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Argentine president Cristina Kirchner announces the dissolution of the Secretaría de Inteligencia, following the suspected murder of Alberto Nisman. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Argentine president Cristina Kirchner announces the dissolution of the Secretaría de Inteligencia, following the death of Alberto Nisman.
News source(s): BBC
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Both articles need updatingNominator's comments: "Suspected murder" may now be fair, based on statements from government officials, including the president. But, for the morbidly cautious, I have added an altblurb anyway. We seriously under-represent Latin America on ITN. Formerip (talk) 00:05, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose - We'll still wait until the official dissolution of that agency and the foundation of the promised other. Kirchner's words don't become official until things happen officially. --George Ho (talk) 03:45, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Support. Major development. If David Cameron said he was going to dissolve MI-5 or Obama said he was going to disband the CIA, it would be stupendous news. Kirchner may just have signed her own death warrant. Abductive (reasoning) 04:44, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose All that has been announced is that the President will propose a bill to replace the agency with a new one. It would be highly misleading to say that she has "announce the dissolution of the Secretaría de Inteligencia" when, as I understand it, she has no such power and the dissolution will only happen if Congress approves the bill she is going to propose. Also, the blurb should refer to her as "Cristina Fernández de Kirchner", not Cristina Kirchner, as that is the title of her article and she is widely referred to as such - indeed the BBC article linked to refers to "Ms Fernandez", rather than "Ms Kirchner". Neljack (talk) 07:18, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose the story that keeps on giving, per Neljack. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:37, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose until the bill is passed and/or signed. This is just a proposal. 331dot (talk) 11:09, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Comment The article Secretaría de Inteligencia has not been updated. Cambalachero (talk) 21:03, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Support We've got Kirchner saying this was a murder to set her up, the lead investigative journalist fleeing the country, the victim shot point blank in the forehead (go ahead, try to do that yourself) and the country's top secret spy agency dissolved, the last of which alone would normally merit a posting. μηδείς (talk) 01:19, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Support altblurb. Big story, the dissolution of the MI-5 of CIA would be on ITN, so why not this? --AmaryllisGardener 01:22, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Weak support We didn't post this death earlier because the details were murky - they are now clearer in the direction of state sponsored assassination. And per Medeis, a spy agency dissolved alone is noteworthy. But, it seems to me that if this event is notable it should have its own article. Mamyles (talk) 04:58, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Oppose per the many occasions when ITN has decided against posting announcements or proposals as opposed to actions or outcomes. Bencherlite 12:24, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Support alt blurb. Shutting down a country's intelligence agency is a big deal - imagine if this was Obama shutting down the CIA. The issue is murky, but this specific action is clear and provides a good point to post the story. Modest Genius 13:56, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
  • Support, per Modest Genius and others. —Brigade Piron (talk) 11:27, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
  • Support, dissolution of that agency is important news. --Jenda H. (talk) 22:33, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

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RD: R. K. Laxman

Article: R. K. Laxman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): TOI India Today IBN
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.Nominator's comments: Most notable Indian cartoonist  - The Herald (here I am) 14:01, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

RD Demis Roussos

Article: Demis Roussos (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Figaro Telegraph (UK)
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Misplaced Pages article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD. EugεnS¡m¡on(14) ® 11:25, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
Could you clarify what you think needs doing? And/or even add appropriate template(s)/tag(s)? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:30, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
Well, the two sections covering his career are completely unsourced. Formerip (talk) 17:47, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. It gets a bit lonely in the Valley of Sadness.... Martinevans123 (talk) 19:40, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

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