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Sorry

Hi, Ent. I'm sorry I expressed myself so harshly when you posted on my page. I was a little shocked, and also concerned to reassure the unfortunate applicant that there was support for them, that they weren't alone. Free-Range Frog put it better than I did. Of course I understand that you were trying to help (and not for instance to make the user give up and leave Misplaced Pages..). You'll be glad to hear that the impulsive newbie has apologized. (He remains clueless as to what can and can't go into articles, but that's something else.) Bishonen | talk 21:29, 18 January 2015 (UTC).

I'm reminded of the child rhyme: Make new friends, but keep the old. One is silver, and the other gold. It's a hard thing, balancing respecting the efforts of our existing contributors while trying to keep the welcome mat out for new blood. Obviously my phrasing was awkward -- more suited to a chaotic noticeboard than your talk page. Clearly more empathy and less wiki tactics would have been appropriate. As you say, my intent wasn't to discourage anyone, and I'm sorry I made it seem that way. NE Ent 10:22, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

I have absolutely no doubt....

...that you "don't take Misplaced Pages personally", considering that you've never contributed enough to the encyclopedia to feel any kind of personal stake in the project, unlike those of us who do the grunt work of research, writing and updating articles. I look forward to the day when free riders such as yourself are seen by the community as exactly what you are, a drain on our resources and an unnecessary burden that we'd be better off getting rid of. BMK (talk) 09:57, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

From User:Beyond My Ken/thoughts#A personal prescription for surviving Misplaced Pages: "14. Most importantly: Stay uninvolved, learn not to care." Ihardlythinkso (talk) 03:25, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

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Content review

How would you like to do a content review, per this request? Jehochman 17:28, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

If I get a solid block of wiki time I'll take a look -- unlikely to happen for days, at best. NE Ent 23:11, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

AANI

It was tongue-in-cheek: Abusive Administrators' Noticeboard/Incidents.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:07, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

WP:WAAA. Whinge About Abusive Administrators. NE Ent, I've decided that I like you. Anybody as troll-proof as you are deserves a great deal of respect. Jehochman 15:17, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

I wasn't aware I had been trolled recently. NE Ent 02:46, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

See what I mean? That's an excellent response! Jehochman 03:05, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Ah. Thanks. Mentioned you (Bbb23) here, by the way. NE Ent 15:37, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Revert

I'm not sure if it was your intention, but you reverted a number of other correct edits I made with your revert at All About That Bass, "peacocking" aside. The sources in the article call it "a slew of viral videos". There is definitely a big difference between "slew" and "few". How does "a number of" sound, the sources also state "championed" - big difference between that and "tagged" - do you have a better word perhaps? and I ask kindly that you revert or edit back the number of other changes I made to the article which you ignored during your revert. "We generally don't archive 3 day old discussions" - only one of those conversations was 3 days old, it would be helpful if you could inform me after what period may they be archived then. Thanks. - Lips 12:27, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Look. I get it. I'm not much into pop radio anymore but when I heard All About the Bass coming home one day I have to go online and figure out who the singer was (and checked out the video) Trainor is a pretty awesome talent and you think Misplaced Pages should reflect that. Which is fine and appropriate, but it needs to be done the Misplaced Pages way, which is "encyclopedic" which means very neutral, factual language, and an appropriate length. For example, I agree "few" doesn't match the "slew of" of the source, "many" would be a good encyclopedic word there.

You've actually done all the hard stuff, which is finding and formatting the references. Trainor won't be any less awesome because of what we write, right? Additionally, our role as an encyclopedia is to be a starting point of knowledge, not the end all and be all. Folks wanting to learn more about her will follow the links in the references to get more details. Other the other hand, if the article gets too long and has too much detail folks won't even read it all, they'll just skim and move on.

I've set up an archive bot (just copied the setup from ]). Let the bot worrying archiving. As far as the edits, I agree most of what you had was fine, but it's not really my responsibility to sort all that out. I suggest adding your edits in smaller chunks so if another editor disagrees with a particular piece they can selectively revert / edit that. NE Ent 23:56, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Honestly, I am tired of being accused by the same users of only contributing fan and non-neutral prose and peacocking to Trainor articles. Do you have any idea what kind of mess All About That Bass, Meghan Trainor etc were before I got them? A few unintended words that appear as WP:PEACOCK do not make my entire effort to Misplaced Pages completely "non-encyclopedic". You could have merely just changed the two words you had a problem with in your revert instead of reverting everything rather ignorantly, it's hardly the big problem you're making it out to be. - Lips 06:44, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Present

Hafspajen (talk) 19:44, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! NE Ent 23:56, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Huh, he's big. You can always revert me of course. Hafspajen (talk) 01:06, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

question about ds

I'm confused about discretionary sanctions regarding GGTS. Recently an editor was sanctioned at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement for comments made on Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Editor Retention. But the Discretionary sanctions notice you sent out says in part:

"The Arbitration Committee has authorised discretionary sanctions to be used for pages regarding the Gender gap task force, a topic which you have edited. The Committee's decision is here."

So does this action at WARE mean those standards apply to comments made everywhere on wikipedia, even on the talk pages of editors and on the talk pages of other wiki projects and not just at the GGTF project pages?

Thanks, EChastain (talk) 21:31, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

I wish I could give you a definitive answer but these things are kind of gray. NE Ent 23:58, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

As a previously very active editor who forgot about this place for many years, I'm astonished over what I'm seeing. Misplaced Pages is very different today than the way it was before. Then it was very rough and tumble, but ultimately charming and interesting. Now it's frightening. Seems to me there is a massive POV push that will ultimately be bad and may even destroy the place as we know it. Do you have any suggestions? EChastain (talk) 01:26, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Real life is the best antidote to Misplaced Pages. Also, there are 120,097 active users editing 6,929,563 articles with help from 847 admins ... mostly without fuss. It just seems really bad if you hang out in the unsavory places WP:ANI. etc. NE Ent 02:43, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Gerda

(watching) interested also, in this case and my own, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:45, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Infoboxes/Proposed_decision#Gerda_Arendt_restricted_.282.29 On a 6-4 vote. Not one of my favorite arbcom decisions. I'd say if you want an infobox in an article you post it the article talk page. Have you tried that? NE Ent 00:08, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

yes, Carmen, taken, Handel, taken, Bach: would be hilarious if we hadn't lost GFHandel over it. - Did you know that nobody ever gave me a diff of my wrongdoing? Suggesting on the talk of Wagner was likely my worst crime. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:24, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

ps: right after the decision, I posted a suggestion for an infobox on the talk of one of Andy's articles, and an arb copied it to the article, - I still smile thinking of that ;) - The war is over, only some people still seem not to like that --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:52, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

ANI

Did you mean to do this with your comment? I guess not, but thought I'd check first! – SchroCat (talk) 02:33, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Total screw-up. Hopefully properly fixed now ... by the time I went to revert it was too late. NE Ent 03:05, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

No probs - it's an annoying glitch I've seen from time to time! Cheers – SchroCat (talk) 03:30, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

YGM

-- WV ● ✉ ✓ 16:54, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

ANI

I don't know whether your action here was in reaction to the "YGM" above, but either way I have restored the topic. You are an active participant in this discussion, and it is still active, as indicated by the comments here and here. In fact I see from the conversation above that you're involved in one of the articles that was the subject of the dispute, "All that Bass." Coretheapple (talk) 19:39, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

fyi

Ihardlythinkso (talk) 02:34, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

It seems to me that Misplaced Pages is simply not a good fit for you. The purpose of the IBAN was not so you and the other guy could stalk each other looking for violations. More importantly, your haranguing of Ched isn't acceptable. For all the wp-this and wp-that that's written around here, it's really this simple: if you basically act like a decent mature person, are focused in one way or another in improving the encyclopedia and run into a few folks who don't behave like they should (e.g. the admins referred to arbcom last year), on the good days we can help you out. If you are continually in "fight" mode and appear to go out of your way to look for reasons to be offended, you'll and the project will go your separate ways, one way or another. I'm sorry if I've somehow led you to believe I'm your permanent ally -- I evaluate every situation separately, so when I perceive you're the target of inappropriate behavior, I will and have spoken up; now you're becoming the instigator and I'll speak up -- not really "against" you, but I'll speak up for what is best for the project. And honestly, if you don't change your behavior real soon now I'll be the one starting a site ban discussion on AN (or equivalent). A couple great Wikipedians (Montanabw and Littleolive oil), have volunteered their time to give you some really good advice on User talk:Ched, be grateful and take it.) NE Ent 03:08, 3 February 2015 (UTC)