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Force4good

I would like to request that you create a page on GoldKey Corporation (use https://goldkey.com for a reference) I am a HUGE dan of GoldKey, and my articles always come out, well, biased. I want to leteveryone know about it for the greater good of the WORLD. Thanks! Force4good (talk) 20:54, 9 January 2015 (UTC)Force4good

@Force4good: hmm. I am not really good at creating articles, however, I know what might help. If you are having trouble creating an article, you may submit your idea to the articles for creation page, the project page, or you could use the article wizard. Good luck! -- Orduin 20:59, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Rojocube

Its not harassment. Its called a joke..you need to lighten up. It's not even close to harassment.. You made me laugh for real though. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rojocube (talk • contribs) 22:13, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

@Rojocube: At the very least, your edits constitute as disruptive editing. Your discusions should have taken place on the talk page. -- Orduin 22:19, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

Antarctica

Hellow! On my opinion we need Antartic flag on Antartica, as universal and common international symbol of this continent. The Graham Bartram design can be changed (Antarctic Treaty Organization variant, but thats more then nothing. Bartram is more common on the web and this fact can be explained). each region should have the association with something in people's minds. Thank you anyway,

--Andrew J.Kurbiko (talk) 19:36, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

As far as I am concerned, the flag of the Antarctic Treaty Organization holds more credit as being the flag of Antarctica, as it is being used by the official organization that controls Antarctic activities. Also, the fact of the Graham Bartram design being more popular is not cited, and opinions should not replace official facts (even if the opinion is widely accepted). As well, "The Graham Bartram design uses the flag of the United Nations as its model." -- Orduin 18:32, 28 November 2014 (UTC)

thank you

Thank you for the tip

Adnan (talk) 20,20 , December 13 — Preceding undated comment added 20:21, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

User's talk page

Hi, I just wanted to mention that a user is not obliged to keep warning on this talk page, the assumption is that if they deleted it, then they read it, so they should have learned from it. It is certainly true that an admin may overlook the warnings in the history, but *we* know they were there and can mention them. Thank you for placing the warnings, we are now in a position to request a block on that signon if they do not mend their ways. Best wishes, Sminthopsis84 (talk) 22:11, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

@Sminthopsis84: Good point, but I only put that because I have had trouble with it in the past. -- Orduin 22:13, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes, this is getting nasty. I think you might want to just stop editing for a while, so that the sockpuppets can't legitimately turn their crimes back on you, perhaps take a break for a day or two. It's very weird. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 22:53, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

I'll only be on for a little while more anyway, I just want to keep things until someone else can help get things sorted out. -- Orduin 22:54, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

@Sminthopsis84: Well, It looks like I will be taking a forced 2 day break! I really don't mind it though, I quite needed it (read below). Good luck, and stay out of trouble (unlike me)! -- Orduin 02:18, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

December 2014

During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection.  De728631 (talk) 23:31, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

I was expecting this, and I accept it without question. I needed the break, I will be reviewing my conduct towards users who vandalize, so as to not become a problem myself. (I should just leave it once he has been reported, and then clean it up). Well, best wishes! -- Orduin 01:54, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Though Orduin accepts this block. I would appeal for a review. Not because, what he did is the most ideal thing to do; but he fought well and is a victim of Geographic.location's persistent attack. It could have been me, who broke 3RR. In honor of Orduin's vigilance, he could be granted an unblock. – nafSadh did say 03:31, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Not to mention, attempts to ask Geographic.location to talk did not work. He never discussed. But Orduin acted in accordance to general consensus. – nafSadh did say 03:32, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes, Orduin fought well and with logic. Unfortunately, fighting doesn't work well here. It is a short block, though, and I think the admin who applied it used good judgement. It could be viewed as a sort of protection for the blockee, preventing them from responding to what was, I'm sure, intended to be provocation. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 04:09, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Agree. The appeal from me is more of a gesture. – nafSadh did say 04:33, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

I have been using this period of time to review my previous actions, and decide how I should act better if I come across this again. I am also reviewing the WP:Policies, and other pages describing actions that should be taken, so that any further actions will not appear as breaking the 3RR.

These actions will include:

• Opening a discussion on the talk page (I will use the user talk page if it is a wide-spread dispute, and the article for simple ones);

• Invite others for their opinion in the discussion;

• Leaving the users contributions stay until they are blocked;
• Not allow myself to be drawn into irresponsible actions (Sminthopsis84 is right in assuming that it was acting as a provocation);
• Follow the advice of others, and the procedures suggested on WP:Policies (and similar pages)

A short block is most reasonable, it gives the user the example of what they should not do. Best wishes -- Orduin 14:00, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

I'm sorry that you got dragged into this edit war/move war which turned out to involve a number of sockpuppets too. Sometimes even a good cause has to be delayed due to the established rules. But now that I've seen your statement above and your future plan for not trying to break the 3rr limit I have unblocked you. Please note also that I have blocked a number of involved account, so next time you see an edit like this feel free to revert it and note the block evasion in the edit summary. If this occurs you may also drop a note to any admin and point them at Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Geographic.location. De728631 (talk) 16:18, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I will take this into consideration. Also, I will be cleaning up the double redirects left over from this event. -- Orduin 16:56, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Orduin for summarizing your realization. I can keep those in mind too.

Thakns to De728631 too for pointing out about evident block evasions. – nafSadh did say 17:34, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar
	Your act to defend attacks by Geographic.location on Brahmanbaria related articles should be honored. – nafSadh did say 03:35, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Mike Cahill (director) discussion

I think that it is completely ridiculous that you will not let me delete the Background section, even when it is at the request of Mike himself. I don't understand - please clarify.

I have started a discussion on your page (with the warnings), please review that information, and all other information on your page. If you want it to be more widely discussed, you may open this discussion on Talk:Mike Cahill (director), so that others will input their opinions too. Also, can you simply continue this on your own page so that it does not confuse me. -- Orduin 22:52, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Let's Talk! Programme

Dear Orduin, thanks for the message Please don't delete my page, because i currently work for it. I also need some advice to make my page better like the wiki standar. Please be advise...

Regards,

@Wahyudi Aulia: I have removed the tag for now, please edit the content so as to no longer require the advert tag. I will be checking in on it later, so if it is not fixed within a reasonable time frame, I will add the deletion tag again. -- Orduin 17:15, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

@Orduin: Thank you for understanding, I will as soon as possible to edit the content of the page

Maxwell

Orduin, you said, 'the earliest discussion on his nationality, four years ago, came to the conclusion that his nationality should be British'. Do you have a link to that discussion? Martin Hogbin (talk) 18:55, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

@Martin Hogbin: Talk:James_Clerk_Maxwell#Nationality. It is at the top of the section. -- Orduin 19:07, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Martin Hogbin (talk) 19:56, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Orduin, there is now a move at Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Proposed_topic_ban_of_Martin_Hogbin. You do not need to become heavily involved but could you just point out that I am not a lone crazy editor but one of a group who disgree with the current content and that I have now proposed a compromise solution. Martin Hogbin (talk) 23:48, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Patrolling a page with a potential copyright violation

Hi!
I saw that you had curated Saif Adam by tagging it as {{unreferenced}} and {{uncategorized}}. However, the page in question had already been marked by CorenSearchBot as a potential copyright violation ({{csb-pageincluded}}). If you come across a page marked as such, don't just tag it for other problems and leave it - check if it's a true copyright violation or a false positive (the bot can only point out potential violations). If it is a copyright violation and there's no content worth saving (like in this case, where it was a full page copy), the page should be tagged for speedy deletion under WP:G12. Kolbasz (talk) 23:57, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

@Kolbasz: Ok, thanks for the tip! I generally skim through the content, and tag it as necessary. However, I am quite new at doing so, and have probably made other minor mistakes. When I come across something like that, I should be checking the source more thoroughly. -- Orduin 00:35, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

WP:G10

Hello. A user putting "WHAT THE F*** IS THIS?" into their own sandbox does not really fall under the attack page speedy deletion criteria. It is not an attack on anyone rather an expression of confusion and frustration by a new user.

I removed your warning from this users talk page and replaced it with a welcome and an offer to help them understand the wiki better.

I hope you are not upset at me removing the speedy delete template and your warning but I feel it is important to not bite the newbies. Swearing itself does not indicate bad faith and for all we know this user could be a productive editor once they get past the confusing wiki interface.

That being said the users page is on my watchlist and if it turns out this user is disruptive I won't hesitate to react.

Peace. Chillum 02:23, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I wasn't really thinking straight with that tag, at the most, I should have courtesy blanked the page (similar to what I did to the above text), but even that could be considered extreme. Until the user makes any action, I agree that no action should be taken against him. -- Orduin 02:37, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

1. Courtesy removal of letters (even though you can guess the word) by Orduin

Request for help

This help request has been answered. If you need more help, you can ask another question on your talk page, contact the responding user(s) directly on their user talk page, or consider visiting the Teahouse.

Hi Orduin, not sure how to respond on this talk page? I did not see how to use the sandbox to start development so I just created the full blown Wiki page. Now, I copied the info from the page I created and put it into the sandbox. But, I am ready to start uploading images that I drew. Seems I need to wait 4 days, ?and/or? do 10 edits (did one today 12/24/2014) before I can upload my drawings? Your help would be appreciated as there is a lot of stuff to wade through. If I can e-mail you, please let me know how? Thanks! Engineeringfridge (talk) 18:03, 24 December 2014 (UTC) Engineeringfridge (talk) 18:43, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

@Engineeringfridge: You can use this to email me the images, which I can upload, and then give you the link to use.

Also, if you want, I can get the page deleted until you are finished with it in your sandbox.

If you have any more questions, or specific issues, please feel free to ask! -- Orduin 20:25, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

However, I noticed you are nearly autoconfirmed. You will be able to upload the images yourself soon if you continue to make some edits. -- Orduin 20:33, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your help, I will do some edits and then start uploading the images. What is your suggestion? Would you prefer that I copy the contents into the sandbox and we delete the page until I make more progress?

I do need some help with my images, some of the drawings which I am converting to JPG I would like to do an attribution. I can not seem to figure out how to do this on my end within the image properties. Can I do this when uploading the images?

Merry Christmas Engineeringfridge (talk) 18:20, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

@Engineeringfridge: Just curious, what attributes do you wish to implement? I may be able to help with that. -- Orduin 19:57, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Highly speculative content within the article. lacks creditable sources.

highly speculative article that lacks creditable sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akwillis (talk • contribs) 21:03, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

Hello Orduin. I want you to know that I have reverted a threat by this user and blocked them indef for that threat. It can be found here. Sorry you have had to deal with this. Chillum 21:10, 27 December 2014 (UTC)

RV Fridge

This help request has been answered. If you need more help, you can ask another question on your talk page, contact the responding user(s) directly on their user talk page, or consider visiting the Teahouse.

Hi Orduin, I was tagged for what I assume is sharing an opinion, and rightly so. I removed the section on residential refrigerator installation and then deleted the tag. Please confirm that I did the correct thing?

Also, if you take me under your wing I can get this page up faster. I spend a lot of time on the drawings I am about to post. They are my engineering drawings, I am a professional engineer. I am having a hard time putting a metafile on my drawings that will show in the file properties to the uploaded file (jpg or png) that they are copyright with attribution for free use. If you have any comments I would appreciate them.

Ops the new guy Engineeringfridge (talk) 00:17, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) There are several issues here. Firstly, Misplaced Pages does not accept original research; content should be based on reliable published sources. Neither of the sources you gave for the article even mention "RV fridges". The ASHRAE link doesn't seem to provide any relevant information whatsoever and might looks like linkspam. Secondly, we already have articles on closely related subjects such as Heat pump and refrigeration cycle or Vapor-compression refrigeration. I do not think having an additional article on basically the same topic will provide much of a benefit; it may be more helpful to improve the existing articles instead. Thirdly, even if we come to the conclusion that a new separate article is the best way forward, the page currently is very much a work in progress, not yet ready to be a live article. It's effectively unreferenced, it's self-referential, the tone is not encyclopedic, and what looks like large parts are simply missing. Thus I'd suggest to turn the page into a draft you can work on at your leisure and to remove it from its current position until it's ready to go live. If you want me to help with that, I'll gladly do so. Huon (talk) 02:05, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

I will move the page into the sandbox. But, I really wanted to contribute to a subject that has not been covered which is the single pressure absorption refrigeration process which is found in RVs. The two references given in the comments, which state that they cover this topic already, do not, they cover compression refrigeration that uses a mechanical pump. This is evident by the comparison of the block diagrams.

I would appreciated help with this entry to improve. Is there a way I can edit this article and have a review rapidly? It appears that there is a critical tone to the RV Fridge article and it is still a work in progress as has been stated. True, the references are not directed specifically to RV refrigeration, just sources of information for the process which govern it.

Engineeringfridge (talk) 22:33, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Hi Orduin,

I was ready to add content to the RV Fridge page and then read the review. I am unclear at this time if I should continue?

1) I state this because the refrigeration cycle that an RV fridge uses is unique. It does not belong with the compression cycle as suggested due to the fact that the thermodynamics are much different. I was encouraged by others to build this page due to my expertise in this field and taking into account that there is not a clear description on the RV Fridge on wiki.s

2) I have referenced Wiki for a lot of the terms that are common to folks that work in the sciences and that need no explanation. Should I be referencing outside sources for these scientific terms?

3) Would patents be considered valid sources because patents go through a rigorous review before being awarded?

4) ASHRAE is an absolute authority on refrigeration. Is the comment asking me to reference an ASHRAE reference that cites the word "RV Fridge" or would pointing to the text books that discuss these refrigeration cycles that may have the word "RV Fridge" in them be what is needed?

Thanks in advance for your help :)

Engineeringfridge (talk) 23:44, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

@Engineeringfridge: You do not have to cite external sources, unless:

• You need to indicate the relation (you have to include proof to why it is included);
• Your explanation covers more than the internal source;
• The internal source is inadequate (or there is no internal source);
• The external source provides a better definition/explanation.

For including patents, you should check here, or discuss it here if still in doubt.

As far as including citations from ASHRAE or textbook, simply include which ever one is reliable with the given information.

Good luck! -- Orduin 21:26, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Message

What's citation? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dayla12354 (talk • contribs) 20:12, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

@Dayla12354: For an in depth guide see here. -- Orduin 20:16, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

thank you for letting me know my page about myself has been tagged for speedy deletion but I would like to know why it was tagged for speedy deletion — Preceding unsigned comment added by Buppy10

speedy deletion request

Hi Orduin, The APS articles are designed to provide some detailed context on the development of a technology category that is attaining a fair amount of interest in the energy efficiency sector.

There are currently a large number of utility companies requesting a wide range of information on this technology and these wiki pages were designed to provide the background to these key questions which have been asked on numerous occasions.

I have referenced all independent sources on this category so as to provide the beginning of a central repository for information on Tier 2 APS centred around: - its origins - market development - evaluation status - etc.

As this is a new category with not a lot of independent development from many sources it may seem promotional at this stage simply because there is one company at the forefront of its development. That does not make the article any less relevant and will provide greater interest and participation from other entities.

Happy to discuss this further. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Italiano Tifoso (talk • contribs) 20:24, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

@Italiano Tifoso: Those articles are copy-pastes of articles that currently promote the companies, especially with all of the external links. If you would like you could use your sandbox to create a draft. -- Orduin 20:29, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

finding orphaned talk pages of deleted articles

Hey Orduin. I just took care of those G8s you posted, and I noticed they weren't on article/project pages you had tagged for deletion, so I was wondering how you found them – whether there is an easy method or tool to find these in one go that I'm unaware of. Thanks--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:21, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

@Fuhghettaboutit: Oh, I had just checked the contributions of the user who had made those pages (that were deleted), and found that the talk pages were still there. So I decided it should be cleaned up. -- Orduin 16:29, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Ah, thanks for responding. Oh well. It would be great if there was some kind of tool to just find all of these, so they could be dealt with systematically.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:33, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Invitation

	You've been invited to be part of WikiProject Cosmology
	Hello. Your contributions to Misplaced Pages have been analyzed carefully and you're among the few chosen to have a first access to a new project. I hope you can contribute to it by expanding the main page and later start editing the articles in its scope. Make sure to check out the Talk page for more information! Cheers Tetra quark (talk) 19:51, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

@Tetra quark: Thanks for the invitation! I may not be an expert, but I can learn quickly! -- Orduin 22:49, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Hans van Heijningen

Hi Orduin,

Would you please re-evaluate my page on Hans van Heijningen? https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Hans_van_Heijningen&action=history

Greetz, Mokker — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mokker (talk • contribs) 13:23, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Gillie and Marc

Why unreview it? Also, why change it to single source, when that source is not reliable? It is simply the website of the sculptors mentioned in the article, to me this should be considered no references. War wizard90 (talk) 00:21, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

@War wizard90: Good point about un-reviewing, but perhaps it would be better to tag it with Template:Third-party -- Orduin 00:24, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Agreed, and done. I didn't know of the existence of that template. War wizard90 (talk) 00:27, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

@War wizard90: No problem. (I use Twinkle, but manually added the tag, so I missed that option myself.) -- Orduin 00:29, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Toitures K Gougeon

There is no phone number or address just a definition of what the company is like you would find on coke, thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by KevinGougeon (talk • contribs) 01:40, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

@KevinGougeon: The trouble is that it seems to promote your accomplishments/services. I will leave an administrator for the final decision. If you would like, you could use your sandbox to create a draft for review by experienced editors. -- Orduin 01:44, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Gillie and Marc

Hi, thank you for pointing out the issues with the article 'Gillie and Marc' I reviewed. I have tried to add more diverse references and link to other Misplaced Pages articles. Is there anything else I should do to make sure the article meets guidelines? (Apologies if this is a silly question) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Emca91 (talk • contribs) 02:57, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

@Emca91: As far as I am concerned, I have helped all I can. I believe it should be fine, but you should check with another editor about the notability tag. It may now be removable. Good work! -- Orduin 03:02, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

@Orduin: Thank you! Appreciate the response. Emca91 (talk) 03:10, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject Cosmology - task

I decided to drop you a message to make sure you check out the first task of the cosmology project: Help improve the Universe. Please feel free to remove this message after you read it :) Tetra quark (talk) 03:30, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Michael Napier

Hi Orduin,

Thanks for the speedy review - is it possible I change the title to:

Michael Napier QC

Thank you in advance.

Andy

Andyht (talk) 20:30, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

@Andyht: no problem, I will move it now. -- Orduin 20:33, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for seeing the GoldKey page! Really exciting tech, hu? I'm REALLY new to wiki, so I am thankful for all the help I can get. Go ahead and format and stuff. Thanks again!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Force4good (talk • contribs) 03:19, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Editor is continuing to edit war and has engaged on my talk page. I'm proud to be part of the "internet media Intelligence community." as at least they recognize my intelligence :) and seeking admin action Legacypac (talk) 00:46, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

@Legacypac: I noticed the AN/I report (using it as support for full page protection request until this is resolved), and I agree that this could be serious. -- Orduin 00:58, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Speedy nominations

Thanks for the speedy deletion nomination of Invitobox, however you tagged it as advertising (G11), no context (A1), and Lack of importance asserted (A7). The only criterion that applied to that article was A7, you may want to tone down the multiple criteria tagging, really only one reason is necessary, and in this case, only one applied. Cheers, --kelapstick 21:37, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

sue wong bio

Hello Orduin

I just updated Sue Wong's Misplaced Pages page.

I work for Sue Wong and the new summary I posted with her actual website as references is what Sue would like to have on Misplaced Pages.

If you have any questions please email me at Allen@suewong.com

Please keep the new summary onto the Misplaced Pages page.

Thank you

Allen — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.127.126.2 (talk) 22:48, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Eldevin entry

Could you please inform me as to what the various problems are? I can begin fixing them asap. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rmccord17 (talk • contribs) 00:04, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Please Do Not, My Dear Sir

I have noticed that you are removing things from my talk page. I would very much appreciate it if you would not do this, as I consider it vandalism. Thanks, --MatthewDaigneau (talk) 22:30, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

@MatthewDaigneau: Sorry about that. If you wish, you may place the humor template on your page to prevent future incidents. -- Orduin 22:52, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

for the Robyn Webb page

all references can be found at

http://www.diabetes.org 0 just search for ROBYN WEBB for all of my recipes and articles with ADA

also

http://www.diabetes.org/mfa-recipes/log-in/recipes-for-healthy-living.html?loc=bb

I am the food editor

and http://www.diabetesforecast.org/

and my site - http://www.robynwebb.com/ blog, http://www.robynwebb.com/fabulousfoodfinds/

and my books on amazon.com http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=robyn+webb

thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by RobynWebbMS (talk • contribs) 21:45, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

User:Engineeringfridge

Hi Orduin,

Thanks for your help. I had a consulting job that has take priority, I want to get this page finished as I can. Unfortunately, the holiday break was the time I scheduled for this project. Is there a way we can communicate so that I can expedite this process? It is my intention to produce a very useful Wiki page on the RV Fridge subject that is of great interest to a lot of folks.

Thank you very much for you valuable time! Engineeringfridge (talk) 15:40, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

@Engineeringfridge: Sorry its taken so long to respond! I have been a bit busy outside of Misplaced Pages, and missed your note. I'm not sure if there is a way for better communication, but, unless the matter is urgent, I think posting a message here works well. I will see what I can do to help, but, other editors may be better suited to the task. (I spend my time on reverting vandalism, and minor fixes). However, it looks good right now. -- Orduin 17:24, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Zia Haider Rahman

Hi Orduin Thank you for your message. I wasn't experimenting ! I am quite new at this as you can see ! I have been trying to stick to the guidelines but perhaps not learning fast enough as I am working on pages. I would very much appreciate if you could help me with some advise. The page I was working on - Zia Haider Rahman - has changed a lot over the last month or so, some other contributors seem to have edited the page quite a lot. I feel it is now more in accordance with biographies of living persons as specified in wiki guidelines. Since the warning tags on the page have still not been removed, I was wondering if you can help me out a bit here by advising me what else can be done to improve the page and qualify for these tags to be removed? I would really appreciate some advice here. Thanks in advance.

Literary2015 (talk) 00:44, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

@Literary2015: I'm quite surprised that the tags were not removed by another editor. I have replaced them with blp sources since some info is not cited. -- Orduin 17:24, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

@Orduin: Hi There seems to be no further material requiring citation in the article? is it possible to take the tag off now? I was wondering if you can do it. And thanks! for your help.

Literary2015 (talk) 15:29, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

@Literary2015: Done! -- Orduin 17:11, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you! Literary2015 (talk) 23:31, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Rollbacker

I have granted rollback rights to your account. After a review of some of your contributions, I believe you can be trusted to use rollback for its intended usage of reverting vandalism, and that you will not abuse it by reverting good-faith edits or to revert-war. For information on rollback, see Misplaced Pages:New admin school/Rollback and Misplaced Pages:Rollback feature. If you do not want rollback, contact me and I will remove it. Good luck and thanks. 01:28, 23 January 2015 (UTC)– Gilliam (talk)

@Gilliam: Thank you! I had been considering making a request for some time, but never got around to it. -- Orduin 01:36, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Ok enough

I have four twinkle generated warnings on my page, all from you. Yet you talk about me harassing people with a jokey, totally unserious message on one persons page. Carry on, and I WILL report you for harassment, misuse of automated tools - which will bring your use of rollback to an end, assumption of bad faith, and what I perceive to be a misuse of your user space. Please, leave me alone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.20.78.155 (talk) 18:47, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

I agree it is enough. I have blocked this IP for vandalism and disruption other users with pointless warnings. Chillum 18:51, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to STíki

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Megan Leigh

Responding to your message about my edit of Megan or Michelle's page, I'm New to this and appreciate your input on style and citations needed. My info is first hand from having lived with her for several years. I will read up on wiki protocol and do my best to support the changes, I may have been premature in my edit, but what was there was inaccurate to the max. I welcome any suggestions you deem pertinent. Marcbenveniste @gmail — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23curlyquasar59 (talk • contribs) 22:22, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

@23curlyquasar59: Thank you for your response, however, please note that it is better to respond on a user's talk page rather than his userpage. I have moved your comment here, so don't worry.

All you need to add this information back to the article, is to find a reliable source that supports the changes to be made. Please see this guideline on information on how to cite the source. -- Orduin 17:08, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

He wrote this

I wrote that because of this https://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk%3ADoRD&diff=644435511&oldid=644435214--Frost The World (talk) 18:20, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

@Frost The World: That is still no reason to be uncivil back to him. -- Orduin 18:22, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Ronan the genius

I am sorry to hear that you are unsure about how about how much Ronan in the genius is really a genius. This is not a factual statement however it is humorous so it has been left there in for the sake of comedy. I see that on your own page you have some humorous jokes which I laughed to my hearts content. I understand that you are unsure. I ask you in the sake of humour, in the sake of Misplaced Pages, in the sake of Ronan the genius to BELIEVE in him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maryo flatery (talk • contribs) 21:39, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

@Maryo flatery: I am most certain of one thing, the information does not belong to the article. For one, there is, in response to your above comment, an improper use of humor in an article. Also, it is a point of view statement, especially promotional As well as a non-notable list entry, since the topic has no supporting article.

What makes the unencyclopedic information even more dubious is the fact that it has been implemented by many accounts with similar history.

All in all, I think it should be removed. -- Orduin 23:04, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Clarification

Orduin,

I speak to clarify a certain matter that has come to my immediate attention. Recently I received a notice from you informing me of an alteration on a certain page known as Ferdinand (The Tempest), allegedly perpetrated by myself. I merely speak to elucidate that the wrongful edit is not of my doing, nor of my concern, as of this date. Thank you for reading and considering.

Cordially, Oberon' nutshell — Preceding unsigned comment added by Oberon's nutshell (talk • contribs) 06:07, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

Messages

Dear ordain,

I cited a book li don't know what the problem is. Did you want page numbers? It didn't need it for the first one since the whole book dealt with that subject. Please put back and I'll dig out page for second reference.

SW — Preceding unsigned comment added by InvisibleSecretWriting (talk • contribs) 22:26, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

@InvisibleSecretWriting: When citing books, it is best to use the template for citing books. The template can be found here. To use it, simply add back the information to the article, but in the reference tag, paste the template, and fill out the parameters with information from the book. -- Orduin 18:06, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Richie bedfellows

Hi Orduin, I left you a message this morning on my talk page as requested, though I'm unsure as to whether you will receive it there. Just to say I will gladly adhere to your request at some point this afternoon. If you could just let me know how we go about this, would you like me to give the full picture for clarification or just the specific reasons leading to the allegation, would be much appreciated. thanks. Richie bedfellows (talk) 09:41, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

@Richie bedfellows: Generally, sockpuppet accusations are filed at Sockpuppet investigations, however, since there is an open ANI discussion open about this, I think it is better to post your evidence there. However, even if you post it to ANI, you should still handle it as if you are filing an SPI (Sockpuppet investigation). It is my suggestion then, that no matter where you put your evidence, you first read the sock puppetry policy, and Help:Diff on how to properly support your claims. Also, if you need help identifying evidence, this essay should help.

If you post your evidence to ANI, and it is:

• sufficient, I will take the evidence and put it in the SPI.
• not sufficient, no actions but a harassment, or personal attack, warning (against you) are likely to be taken.

If you post the evidence to SPI, please leave a notice at the ANI discussion, and follow other actions necessary from SPI, and your claims will be handled as any other SPI. If you need any other help, please feel free to ask! -- Orduin 18:58, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi Orduin, thank you for the response. I have just had a quick look through the SPI page as well as the DIFFS page as advised. I have no problems submitting the behavioural evidence but the conversations with Ghmyrtle were between edits and coming through 'Msg left in template', with intermittent msgs coming through the Chaheel Riens page at around the same time. The edits shown from the Chaheel Riens page are the only edits evident on the DIFFS page, while the conversations (but not the edits) are only evident on the Article's 'view history' page. Could you advise,please? Cheers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Richie bedfellows (talk • contribs) 21:39, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

@Richie bedfellows: Can you give me the timestamp of the comments and their locations, and I will see what I can do with that. -- Orduin 00:16, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Okay Orduin, will do and thanks. I will be busy from this afternoon for the next couple of days so I'll gather together what i can in-between then construct the whole thing as i see it in the week if that's okay. Cheers. Richie bedfellows (talk) 08:12, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

It's not really ok at all is it? If you're so het up about a sock puppetry charge, you should surely be able to make time for it? To paraphrase - "Don't wait for the weekend to end, my friend".

I tell you what - seeing as this is such a stupid accusation, I'll do all the work for you, which shouldn't take long as there's nothing to pull out of the ether in the first place...

Firstly, assess the similarity between editors:

Here are the last 5,000 edits made by GHMyrtle

Here are the last 5,000 edits made by yours truly - Chaheel Riens

Is there any similarity in pages edited, and edit summaries made in either case? In fact, with the sole esception of the contested page - Casual (subculture) - are there in fact any shared pages?

No, there aren't. "Ah ha!" you say, "That's evidence of sock-puppetry - obviously this criminal mastermind has an alias he uses for each area of interest - and never the twain shall meet!" Well, ok - tenuous - but possible. Let's look at other areas then. How about userpages and talkpages?

Chaheel's userpage:

Chaheel's talkpage:

GHMyrtle's userpage:

GHMyrtle's talkpage:

(While we're looking at talkpages, let's not forget to point out that the accuser has no concept of grammar - insisting that "they wasn't poor" is correct and acceptable use of English. However, I'm sure that bears no reflection on their competency in any way, shape, or form.)

Hm, also note that Chaheel has a habit of blanking his talkpage every new year, rather than archiving, which is a bit unusual - nothing like GHMyrtle, who makes extensive use of archives.

Not much similarity there, is there? Oh - the same argument applies?

Right! Now we're really got the rogue(s) on the ropes. Let's look at the actual article in question, and blow that ruffian out of the water!

So, here's the history page of Casual (subculture) right here.

Now, let's look for the apaprent minute-by-minute changes? According to the accusation here there is "the strange 'coincidence' of two contributors seemingly making the exact same irrelevant, nonsensical argument about something that made perfect sense" - ah, suddenly the above comment that the editor in question knows little of grammar comes into play. Let's discount the rather more obvious possibility that two different editors recognised that a change to an article made no sense.

What else? Ah - " just 'coincidentally' responding under this username within moments of me responding in the the second username's talk page" (My emphasis to aid understanding of context.)

Well, there are five edits to my (Chaheel's) talkpage, and all but the very first can be instantly discounted, as they took place after the timestamp of the accusatory edit - 16:43, 29 January 2015.

So that must be this edit then - with a timestamp of 14:43, 29 January 2015? Except the only edit GHMyrtle made around then is this one with a timestamp of 15:01, 29 January 2015 - and that's hardly "within moments". In fact, in this edit range here you and GHMyrtle between you made 5 edits within 20 minutes - by your argument that makes you a potential sock puppet of the two of us as well.

Look, Richie, just accept the fact that you're wrong, and have made a grave error by accusing two editors 5 times of being sock puppets. You're wrong, you're wrong, you're wrong. I gave you the chance to redact your comments, and you not only refused, but chose to make the accusation again. I apologise to Orduin for hijacking his talkpage like this, but you've pissed me off with your baseless accusations, and not providing any kind of evidence to back them up.

You asked me to do my worst. I'm not there yet, but if you carry on, this will only get worse for you - at the very least humiliation, at the worst, a block. Admit your error. Chaheel Riens (talk) 19:20, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi Orduin, you cant take the evidence from what Chaheel has kindly submitted above if you wish. I do genuinely appreciate his efforts, if I'm honest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Richie bedfellows (talk • contribs) 09:43, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

No personal attacks please - they can also get you blocked. And could you clarify your grammar and typing - when you say "you cant take the evidence", do you really mean "you can take the evidence"? The context is quite important. Chaheel Riens (talk) 13:48, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Oh - and with regard to "do your worst"-type threats, seeing as you're the one who invited me to do so, it seems somewhat duplicitous of you to then knock any response regarding them. Still, you did ask, after all. And you've yet to respond over at the ANI noticeboard - it would probably help your case if you did so. Chaheel Riens (talk) 13:52, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Well Orduin gave me the choice of either responding on the ANI noticeboard or this talk page. I would've gladly responded on the ANI noticeboard once the whole thing had been submitted by myself, but to be honest, once you decide to come a long and hijack Orduin's response with a lot of semi-relevant self posturing, I'm afraid i understandably, become pretty nonplussed when it comes to following any quasi official guidelines. Yes, I can confirm Orduin can take the evidence from your submission. I can also confirm I will gladly retract any allegation and will edit any post mentioning the allegation appropriately. I can even confirm I'll be doing it with a big smile on my face If and when Orduin deems it necessary after reviewing the evidence. Now, regarding YOUR reference to MY "do your worst" type threats. I think you will find 'do your worst' isn't a threat, it's a statement. The actual threat is documented as "If you carry on, this "will" only get worse for you"... Now i think you'll find this threat was actually was made by yourself. Hence the reason why apparently, I'm still waiting. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Richie bedfellows (talk • contribs) 09:02, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

I think you'll find that ""If you carry on, this "will" only get worse for you"" is also just a statement, pretty much the same as yours, based around your baseless and incorrect accusations. Things generally get worse for those who are not only in the wrong, but fly in the face of admitting it, all the while telling the other party to stick their head up their bum. Chaheel Riens (talk) 09:10, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

Well the statement reads "this "will" only get worse" and clearly I'm still waiting, aren't i? I'm sitting here waiting for you to 'make things worse' yet all you seem to have is the tangential last bastion of the big mouth when failing to make their point, more commonly known as the 'grammatical error'. Bearing in mind your laughable attempts at hijacking a seemingly legitimate investigation into a legitimate accusation in favour of some embarrassingly bizarre self-posturing, some equally risible threat to humiliate me and a perception that myself laughing at you doing it would then be deemed 'uncivil' ...Surely you can see the 'seriousness' of the allegation disappeared along with any credibility you seemingly like to think Misplaced Pages ever had. So again, what is it you could possible do to either humiliate or even make things worse??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.120.41.24 (talk) 08:29, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

I can prove you wrong. Chaheel Riens (talk) 10:07, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

@Richie bedfellows:

You must:

Make clear how multiple accounts are being abused, explaining how the users are a) the same and b) disruptive.

Avoid all other discussion that is not evidence of sockpuppetry or other multiple account abuse.

You must use diffs, page histories, log entries or other information to support your position; patrolling admins, clerks and CheckUsers are not expected to establish your argument for you.

Basically, until you open your argument, I cannot do anything to support your case, if I support your case. You must open your case using your thinking, not mine. Requesting that I open a SPI about incidents that I was not involved in is close to WP:CANVASSING.

Also, @Chaheel Riens and 2.120.41.24: please take this discussion off of my page. -- Orduin 21:00, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Kit Carson

Please take your comments and suggestions to the Kit Carson Talk page where they can be reviewed sequentially. Please refrain from littering the text with "editorials" that cannot be found within the text with ease. Please note section and possibly line for your comments and suggestions. SeeSpot Run (talk) 19:59, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

@SeeSpot Run: you are missing the whole point of WP:Tagging. Someone who goes thorough the article hoping to improve it may not look over the talk page, but will notice the tags. -- Orduin 20:03, 1 February 2015 (UTC)