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| Absurd. If various theories exist, then it's need to write its basis: Do Xiongnu and Mongolic peoples have any similar things? What cultural elements join them? etc. It is need to clarify similarity and difference between these ethnic groups, isn't it? Some users are dissatisfied | Absurd. If various theories exist, then it's need to write its basis: Do Xiongnu and Mongolic peoples have any similar things? What cultural elements join them? etc. It is need to clarify similarity and difference between these ethnic groups, isn't it? Some users are dissatisfied | ||
| because there are many similarities between Xiongnu and Mongolic people. ] (]) 02:07, 18 February 2015 (UTC) | because there are many similarities between Xiongnu and Mongolic people. ] (]) 02:07, 18 February 2015 (UTC) | ||
| ::::The continuities mentioned are mostly those common to all Eurasian steppe cultures, plus some retrospectively adopted by the modern Mongolian state. They do not make a useful point here, and they are ill-referenced. Your reversion of my other changes was also unhelpful. ] (]) 07:36, 18 February 2015 (UTC) | |||
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Huns
In Hohhot there is a museum dedicated to the Xiongnu, and the info panels use the term Hun interchangeably with Xiongnu in English pointing out the meaning Hun in Mongolian today is 'Human', thus acknowledging the Xiongnu as proto-Mongolians.
- I wonder if that's because every man and his dog wants to claim that the Xiongnu were their ancestors? The truth is that no one actually knows. Philg88 09:04, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
Wrong statements
No greco-roman author has called Magyars "Scythians". Magyars came in europe arround 8th century and there was no Roman empire, nor Greece. There was only Byzantine empire . The byzantine authors called Magyars not "Scythians" but turks, and "black turks"."Scythians" were called the Bulgars. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nix1129 (talk • contribs) 11:50, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
Mongolic theories
What is problem with this contents? If users don't add information then how people know about the Xiongnu? Or you going to say that "users didn't add any content"? Or all Mongolian sources are unreliable? Where did live Xiongnu people? In Mongolia. Where did centered Xiongnu state? On Mongolia. Mongolian scholars work together with foreign scholars so world scholars know about their works. Xiongnu#Archaeology: "Political center of the Xiongnu state was in Mongolia and almost all of the Xiongnu kings buried in Mongolia". Turkic vandalism on 25 June 2014, Turkic vandalism on 25 June 2014 (78.184.78.204 IP from Istanbul, Turkey), Version on 3 Semtember 2014, Version on 12 January 2014). The last vandalism did by User:Edward321. Khartakhan (talk) 02:18, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
Irrelevant or misrepresented info in Mongolic section
First, there is nothing in the cited sources that makes a connection between Mongol songs and those of the Xiongnu - that is simple and blatant misrepresentation of the sources and needs to be deleted. As for the sun and moon symbol, again none of the sources say anything connecting the Xiongnu symbols to those of any Mongol people. Using modern day flags with sun and moon symbols to make a connection is not only original research, but OR based on absurd logic - as if the fact that some public architecture in the UK and US is based on Greek forms meant that the ancient Greeks spoke a Germanic language. Adding this material despite its clear problems with OR and verifiability is also arguably tendentious. Ergative rlt (talk) 16:30, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
- It's an official position of Mongolia. There is no similar symbol among other peoples of the world, isn't it? Coat of arms is not building. Coat of arms: "A coat of arms is a unique heraldic design". It's very strong cultural element. Khorichar (talk) 17:05, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
- This does not in any way deal with the objections above. And to choose another example, the Great Seal of the United States features Latin language and Egyptian motifs, but does not make those peoples Germanic speakers. Ergative rlt (talk) 18:02, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
- Indeed. The modern Mongolian population may reasonably claim some degree of continuity with the previous inhabitants of their territory, but the specific points mentioned are not useful for an encyclopedia. At this edit I have removed the obvious irrelevancies that Ergative rlt mentions, and taken the opportunity to do a little rearrangement. I have also used Hyun Jun Kim's recent book to make his point about multiethnicity. I have left in the moon and sun symbol, a nice picture which the source does identify as an example of a widespread Xiongnu symbol. Richard Keatinge (talk) 21:42, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
Absurd. If various theories exist, then it's need to write its basis: Do Xiongnu and Mongolic peoples have any similar things? What cultural elements join them? etc. It is need to clarify similarity and difference between these ethnic groups, isn't it? Some users are dissatisfied because there are many similarities between Xiongnu and Mongolic people. Khorichar (talk) 02:07, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
- The continuities mentioned are mostly those common to all Eurasian steppe cultures, plus some retrospectively adopted by the modern Mongolian state. They do not make a useful point here, and they are ill-referenced. Your reversion of my other changes was also unhelpful. Richard Keatinge (talk) 07:36, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
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