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User:C-Liberal at Capitalism

S/he's back to inserting this stuff into the lead that even Ultramarine has agreed is incorrect. Specifically, it puts in language defining capitalism by complete absence of government regulation. It's perfectly fine for a Libertarian, or whoever, to think that's an ideal, but turning the definition of capitalism into that (thereby excluding every society that has ever existed) is extremely misleading. It's not 3RR yet (twice three times in the last few minutes, with some not-quite-identical versions another 3-4 times; I think that last try was more than 24 hours ago); but it's really not something that is fit to stay. I wonder if you think this is worth short-term page protection again? LotLE×talk 01:32, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

I was wondering the same, and posted a request for semi-protection, given the strong possibility of sockpuppet editing. 172 | Talk 06:49, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Okay, but who is using a sock possibly?--MONGO 06:51, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

There's nothing more than circumstantial evidence. Still, I suspect RJII. RJII made nearly 1,200 edits to the article. With that level of activity, it is probably hard to let go. (RJII was banned indefinately around a week ago after he/she/they admitted the account was shared. RJII had been on verge of a one year ban by the arbcom anyway.) 172 | Talk 06:58, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

C-Liberal (talk · contribs) has almost 50 postings, so semiprotection won't keep him/her from editing. I'll continue to monitor. Did Lulu get C-Liberal's edits cleaned up?--MONGO 07:02, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Lulu cleaned them up... I know C-Liberal's passing the threshold. Still, semi-protection may at least discourage future potnetial socks. 172 | Talk 07:04, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I see you put in a request...I'll semi-protect it then, since you guys have been doing the editing and know what's going on.--MONGO 07:07, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

"Vandalism" warning from suspected sockpuppet

Take a look at User talk:DejahThoris, there is a vandalism warning from User:Nancetlv who is apparently a suspected sock puppet of banned user User:Israelbeach. Since this is the case, and since there has already been an objection by another user on the talk page that the "vandalism" warning is not warranted can you as an administrator take off the warning from the user's talk page?--Jersey Devil 03:11, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

An odd edit

See here. :) -Zero 08:19, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Fidel Castro and Teemu Ruskeepä

User:Teemu Ruskeepää has ignored many, many requests that he cease promoting an extremely unpopular "talk page restructuring" on various Cuba related pages, notably Fidel Castro. Despite warnings from myself, other users and admins that his behaviour is potentially disruptive and may lead to a block, he has continued unabashed, adding confusing lengthy polls to each talkpage addition. He is materially obstructing much needed work on the page, which is a view held by all, and I believe the patience of the many has just worn out. May I suggest an editing embargo on Teemu, or even an exploding cigar?--Zleitzen 09:04, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

• No, just deport him to Cuba. Wahkeenah 12:57, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Ping

I like once in while to remind you that even tedious wiki-gnomes like myself do article work. ^_^
brenneman 02:08, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Happy Independence Day

Hi MONGO, I know we haven't always seen eye to eye in the past but I wanted to say I enjoyed your special user page very much. Maybe one day my country (Scotland) can declare its own independence from England! I know, don't hold your breath... Enjoy the holiday, --Guinnog 05:48, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you...will do my best. Happy editing!--MONGO 06:19, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

RFA question

I've been away from my computer, so couldn't respond sooner. I'm glad to see that the matter seems to have sorted itself out, and I'm sure it is happy to rest in peace. Best regards, Samsara (talk • contribs) 19:00, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Rfa

I'm sorry if I overreacted. I understand the frustration you have with such sites, my reaction was influenced by how upset that content makes me, as I think was yours. No hard feelings. pschemp | talk 04:39, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Mongo, I need your help

Mongo, I need help from an administrator. I realize that you don't know me. I am a retired engineer who has been active in Misplaced Pages for the last 6 months as you can verify on my User:Mbeychok page. This will take quite a lot of explanatory background, so please bear with me.

First, the help I need concerns the Legionellosis and Legionella articles. About a week or so ago, I spent quite a bit of time re-arranging, re-writing and expanding parts of those articles ... to make them more coherent and more Wikified without changing the substance of their content at all (because I am no expert in that field). The expansion that I contributed was all related to how to maintain and control cooling towers to prevent their contamination with the Legionella bacteria that causes Legionnaires' disease.

Then a newcomer to Misplaced Pages, User:Noigel2000, started making revisions. He is the owner of a number of websites and Yahoo Group forums, most notable of which are and . They are a strange mixture of newspaper reports, excerpts from reference sources, personal opinions of User:Noigel2000, and images (some of which are quite weird). This is a direct quote of his from his own User talk:Noigel2000 page: "Some call me a Legioneela Advocate, Others a Legionella Nut or Legionella Fan some stronger than that".

If you will read items 5 and 6 on the Talk:Legionellosis page, entitled "Minor alterations" and "Minor alterations (more)", you will see that I and User:Pzavon disagreed quite strongly with some of his changes. As part of that dialogue, here is another quote from Noigel: "Same as this place its all click click click, no point really, spend a couple of hours on my pages and you will learn everything about LD", which in effect says that he doesn't value Misplaced Pages much and that his web pages are better than Misplaced Pages.

As another result of his revisions, the two articles ended up with more than ten links to various pages on his website ... so I deleted a number of them although the two articles still include multiple references to his website. Some are in the External links sections, some in the Images sections, some in the References sections, and some are imbedded in the texts of the two articles. In effect, the two articles are being used as a billboard to direct traffic to his websites.

In retaliation for my having removed some of multiple links to his site, Zoigel then deleted whole sections of the Legionella article which I had to subsequently revert.

You lie on this point, I never deleted your parts of your article in retallition of you deleting my links. I just cant see why you want a page on legionella and legionellosis when its the same, its you that admitts its not your field, so go bye byes its better that way, and me thinks your here under several other names as well, go back to your own field of work mongo take a look at both pages ..do you really need both

--Noigel2000 14:09, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't want to get involved in a revert war with Noigel, and therefore I am asking for your help to get him to modify his behavior. But before you do anything, please take the time to:

• Scan his websites at links and above.
• Read all of his User Talk:Noigel2000 page to get a flavor of how he behaves.
• Read items 5 and 6 on Talk:Legionellosis and also readTalk:Legionella.

Thanks in advance. - mbeychok 18:33, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Mongo, thanks for your help and I'll be sure to let you know if he keeps acting up. - mbeychok 20:26, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Well I thought I would comment on this, you are nuts mbeychok, seems you can delete things but I cant, go cry in your soup, and as for my pages every search engine brings them up in the first 10. I dont need this place to direct people to my sites, I just need the truth told here, something you fight shy of, and i will act up, what a stuffing little cry baby you are , you put wrong information on a page and then cry when its taken off. take a pill better that way - Noigel2000 13:52, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Ah shucks is he that greedy, but still theres plenty left for everyone. A whats your name again, how came your outbreaks go from 1976 then the next is 1999, you missed a few go to my sites

http://www.q-net.net.au/~legion/Legionnaires_Disease_Position_Statement.htm or http://www.q-net.net.au/~legion/Legionnaire`s_Disease_CONTENTS.htm

would put them in myself but you would have a cry as you did not do it yourself, as for only newspaper articles and alike seethis page, The whole french governments official article on the outbrak at Norox, translated into english by me so as uninformed folks like you can read about it http://members.dodo.net.au/~jamgreen/legionellose_france.index.htm

or pop along to this place on spain, fill yourself in on the outbreaks http://www.q-net.net.au/~legion/legionella.legionela.spain.htm

have a good read, and shucks rubbish my pages thats a no no, I'm a Advocate, my mouth has to be big, oh well ban me then who cares, just hate little mummies boys that have to shout for help Mbeychok opps visit this one the official report on the outbreak in 1996 in Alcala De Henares http://home.iprimus.com.au/matgreen/Legionnaires_Disease_Alcala_De_Henares_English.htm. Translated to english by me or see this one http://www.q-net.net.au/~legion/Legionnaires.Disease,Spain.alcala.htm

I even went to Alcala De Henares in 2000 to help the folks in the fight with the local council on the number one tower which caused the outbreak, I always try to visit outbreaks sites There is an exception to every rule links back to my sites should be allowed, its not a commercial site

oh well back to what i do best

--Noigel2000 15:36, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Hey, if someone is handing out nuts, watch MONGO closely: He'll hog all the cashews. - brenneman 13:58, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Goethean (talk · contribs)

Now he is going to different articles I have contributed to and reverting my contributions (dostoevsky). I had to get a phd'ed editor and member of the neoplatonic community to correct his revert war on my content for plotinus (aka zeusnoos). Now he is going to other articles I have contributed to and either reverting or doing "edits". He is also complaining that I am reporting his conduct. This along side insulting other editors AKA personal attacks, this is a pattern of disruptive behavior. LoveMonkey 21:10, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Plotinus edit is on the talk page he compares me to nazis. Also he just committee one edit on the Vladimir Lossky article I contributed. He removed information THAT DIRECTLY CAUSES DISTORTIONS TO THE MESSAGE OF THE AUTHORS OWN WORKS.I am worried about contributing other article because they will be revert war or put up for deletion. Here are other edits Essence-Energies distinction . As for Dostoevsky I literially put the references in the edit. His books Diary of a writer and The demons. LoveMonkey 21:28, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

If you will not help me to stop him from reverting out almost every contribution I have made, then please refer me to someone that will. I don't have time to contribute and then fight this person over every word. LoveMonkey 21:47, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Why is this person allowed to use profanity insult multiple editors and revert war multiple editors, engage in distruptive conduct (by deleting peoples contibution and putting their articles up for deletion) STALKING editors and engaging in deragatory and inflaming conduct and you can DO NOTHING? He just showed again in the derogatory comments he left on my talkpage that there is no working out a resolve either be a doormat or leave is his message. When will something be done? LoveMonkey 22:11, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. LoveMonkey 22:13, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Semi-protect Political philosophy

Wanna? There's an addition of this weird irrelevant name over there, always by an anon, but different addresses. It had been happening for months, but infrequently (every week or two), in the last day the vandal has increased volume quite a bit. I actually just wrote 172 about the issue: User talk:172#Advice on Political philosophy; not sure if the acceleration is connected in any way. I'm pretty sure semi-protection solves it, since no named editor is so silly. LotLE×talk 02:25, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi

Hi MONGO! MONGO, if you are having a bad day, or think that i am troling, then don't read the rest of this message and just erase it. Otherwise, i have a honest question. Considering that you belive 100% on the government version, how do you explain news like this? peace. --Striver 08:37, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

I looked over your link and the sublink from that to World Trade Center United Family Group, and nowhere on their website do they have one mention of a government coverup. Do you pay money to Alex Jones to be able to listen to his programming...just curious.--MONGO 09:19, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

No, actualy not. So in short, you belive his making stuff up? --Striver 19:48, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

WP:NOT a political forum and/or a soapbox.--Jersey Devil 20:42, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Striver, when people experience great trauma in their lives, they may be angry and the U.S. Government is an easy target. To be honest, I think it's awful this guy lost his son, but to think the U.S. Government would be behind it is insanity. You do realize that Alex Jones, Steven Jones and a lot of others that have websites and publish books are looking to make a profit, don't you? In all liklihood, this fellow that was on Alex Jones show did the United Family Group a disservice monetarily with such wild speculations...they should think about replacing him with someone that is in better control of their faculties.--MONGO 06:59, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Image gallery

I noticed that the images in your gallery don't display properly. I have a version using the same coding at User:Guinnog/gallery and wonder if we can figure out why neither of these galleries works properly, with a view to fixing them. Thanks if you can come up with any ideas. --Guinnog 11:49, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

They seem to be fine on my browser..(IE)...but as far as understanding the way it's coded, I wouldn't have the foggiest...my userpage design is due to the excellent work of Phaedriel, so she may have an idea on what to do. I have zero formating skills when it comes to this kind of thing.--MONGO 11:54, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I will ask her. I am using Firefox and maybe that is the problem. --Guinnog 11:57, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Could be a bug also...see if you can find anyone else with a similar setup that isn't using IE.--MONGO 12:12, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm currently in the middle of annoying all my friends by asking them to look at it and see if it works out, and what setup they're working with... Thanks for taking the time to help. I stuck a few more pics up if you're interested.

What's this about the cashews? --Guinnog 01:42, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Free iran

See my response. --CBD 12:06, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

A new userbox you might like

Hi MONGO,

I couldn't resist making the following userbox after reading the attached link. After being insulted on numerous occasions by trolls I decided to fight back the best way I know how -- with a witty userbox! Feel free to remove this from your talk page if you don't appreciate the humour. = )

Cheers,

 Netsnipe    06:08, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

I can appreciate that. I really don't care about their website, since they are obviously trolls. What I don't like is the fact that they aren't even funny! It is such adolescent childishness, I decided really quickly that I wasn't going to bother with them. What they don't understand is that prior legalities aside...anyone can be sued...all you need is the financial resources, a lawyer and a court that will hear the case...litigation is expensive and I doubt any of them have more than a few bucks to rub together...it doesn't matter what prior laws were decided...if a good enough lawyer decided to he could shut them down and sue the crap out of those that knowingly allow libellous misrepresentations to perpetuate...rights to privacy are other issues as well. Worse yet, some really easy digging and the major players there are easily exposed...I was amazed at how stupid they are about their own personal information in some cases.--MONGO 06:17, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

My RFA

MONGO,

Can you please cross out any comments that have been addressed as they are causing me grief to the point that I might withdraw from the nomination. - Samsara (talk • contribs) 13:10, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

ED links

I don't know why they made a whole article about you and it's not my fault. I think you're just upset because there's an article about you.

Also somebody else made a link to it on Jimbo's Talk page, which you've left up (it's the user box one). DyslexicEditor 13:49, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

It's already gone...I was going to delete myself later. I don't care if the website exists, I do care about us using key pages to mention them and Jimbo Wales page is key.--MONGO 18:31, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

If you guys are referring to my userbox, I've already removed any reference to it from Jimbo's talk page. However I'm requesting a deletion review of the Userbox but I am willing to address some outstanding concerns which I've noted here. --  Netsnipe    19:18, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Rabbit Green

Hi Mongo, I couldn't help noticing that you deleted my article on "Rabbit Green" considering that it sort of disappeared. You stated that it was "Patent Nonsense", can I ask why. All the information in it is perfectly valid and, as far as I can see, a detailed explanation of a concept which is becoming increasingly popular in Sydney, similar to "emo". I admit that some of it may appear that it was written by a two year old however it is merely stating the facts, nobody has actually seen a Rabbit Green and the article attempts to describe what one would look like based on what others have described it to be. Remember, just because you haven't been exposed to something doesn't make it nonsense.

Cheers

Mr Facts 01:15, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

You've obviously been back to this page and haven't replied to my comment. I'm assuming that your deletion was a mistake and am reposting the article

Cheerio

Mr Facts 05:53, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

No, it wasn't a mistake and wikipedia is not the place to have articles that are hoaxes, or at the very least, so completely nonnotable that they cannot even be referenced.--MONGO 11:04, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Please please please give me some time to respond before you delete something just because you haven't been exposed to it. There is no reason to doubt this article, and if you do walk into any Norwest School and ask what Rabbit Green is, I'm certain you'll find at least 3 people who know what it is in each school.

I'm going to post the article again, and I would ask that you at least go over this with me before callously deleting it.

Mr Facts 06:17, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

User:Netscott

I believe an admin would have to make an adjustment to an editor's User Page, not an editor, particularly one that is embroiled in a debate at Category:Anti-Semitic people with the same editor. Thank you Porky Pig 13:56, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

I can appreciate that...it may have been retalitory...did he ask you first on your talk page, before removing it? I mean, that's not mandatory, but it's the polite way to do it. On the other hand, when you blanked part of his userpage, and then posted a false vandal report, that was definitely retalitory. Just try to not put fair use images up on your userpage and you two stay away from each other for a bit.--MONGO 14:00, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

The editor User:Nescott did not suggest on my user talk page and I deemed it as an attack. The more mature way to have handled it would have been to contact an administrator, then I would not have objected. Thank you for your input. Porky Pig 14:58, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

No retaliation on my part... I just happened to become aware of this user's Fair use image violation after clicking on their user page from a discussion surrounding the propriety of adding a disclaimer to Category:Anti-Semitic people. See this talk. (→Netscott) 14:06, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I figured as much...no worries.--MONGO 14:07, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

MONGO, please be advised that User:Porky Pig is likely a sockpuppet of permanently blocked editor User:SirIsaacBrock based upon editing topics/style, editorial summary comments, etc. Please note usage of the word "Cordially" relative to a discussion involving this category here on User:Zoe's talk page as compared to here on User:TexasAndroid's talk page. Unless I can convince admins of this, I'll be opening a WP:RFCU case shortly as I build my evidence. Thanks. (→Netscott) 16:50, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

This is now on WP:ANI. Thanks. (→Netscott) 17:33, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

I am not the editor User:Netscott is accusing me of being, would you please stop this person from attacking me thank you. He has posted a bunch of stuff at a webpage on wiki. You can understand the mentality of the person I am dealing with now. Thank you Porky Pig 18:02, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Discussing articles at +cat

Would you please provide me with the wiki page that has guidelines for the discussion of articles within a +cat. I believe the policy is to discuss the matter at the articles talk page, rather than the +cat talk page, but I am unable to find a reference at wiki. If there isn't one, would you consider adding one? Thank you Porky Pig 17:28, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Editing

Thanks for the reminder re: the changes I made while not logged in. I was remiss in not doing so ( I use many different computers because of my work, and sometimes forget, or don't take the time, to do so). Anyway, thanks again and I'll keep your reminder in mind. Levi P. 02:38, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Btw, I did not include an edit summary at the time I made the edit (I'm new, sorry) and attempted to correct that but was unable to. How would you recommend I do so? Or is it alright since I addressed the matter on the talk page? I guess I'm just wondering what would be the proper way to correct my mistake. Thanks for your help. Levi P. 02:59, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Need a couple of favors.

Please do the following for me: Semi protect my userpage. delete the image Image:Karrmannaustinhealey.jpg Thanks! Karrmann 07:23, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

• Done abakharev 08:44, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Polar Bear-baiting

This article was recently deleted. It should not have been deleted, as it was factually correct including citations. Is there a way to recover the deleted article ? I did not save it to my hard drive. Thank you SirIsaacBrock 14:25, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

I can recover it, but it was brought to a vote and the vote was to delete the article, so I won't restore it. See:Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Polar Bear-baiting--MONGO 14:38, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for looking into the matter. I do agree with some of the comments, but none of them warrant the deletion of the article. Cordially SirIsaacBrock 14:42, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, you are very helpful :) SirIsaacBrock 14:48, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Template:Baiting

Hello Mongo,

It seems User:Hipocrite has tagged the following baiting articles Lion-baiting Monkey-baiting Human-baiting and Rat-baiting with a delete tag out of spite. It there a way to remedy this type of poor behaviour ? SirIsaacBrock 17:40, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

You could cite reliable sources for the articles, refrain from removing cleanup tags and instead clean up articles, and focus on the encyclopedic tone required for an encyclopedia. Hipocrite - «Talk» 17:49, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment - With respect, the quoted information has citiations with sources and dates provided; the sources are over 100 years old. I don't believe they would be copyvio. Cordially SirIsaacBrock 18:05, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Tone which has made the articles seem less descriptive of the acts and more an exciting group of anecdotes of questionable relevence, and secondary sources. Primary sources are not generally acceptable for encyclopedias. Please see WP:RS. Thanks. Hipocrite - «Talk» 18:14, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

RfA thanks

Well, I'm glad you were able to convince yourself of my innocence.

Samsara (talk • contribs) 22:35, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

"Climate Change"

Fight the alarmist media! Global Warming Hoaxers and Alarmists are lying to YOU!Hoask 04:01, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

You seem kind -- can you help?

Being a new Wikipedian (May 2006}, I nominated a stub high school article for deletion on July 11: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Kent-Meridian High School. Posts are still being made as of today, some attacking my motives and integrety, even though I have retracted the nomination for deletion twice.

An excerpt from the comments on the page tells be why:

Comment User:RJHall just posted a notice on at least 20 different user pages (including mine User_talk:Metros232 - " rel="nofollow"> alerting people of this discussion using the member list at WP:SCH. - Metros232 16:50, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

• Yup I did. The delete High School discussion is a recurring theme in AfD, and I was hoping to use the latest rallying cry of the deletists (the "failed" WP:SCHOOL policy) to prompt a new discussion specifically about High School notability. Thanks. — RJHall 22:21, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

I can't reproduce the code of exerpt (above) here very well (the links work though), but if you could call a halt to this I would really appreciate it. The people posting continue to attack me and obviously have not read the preceding comments as the Meridian High School article has been improved considerbly since the nomimation and merged with Meridian School District according to the comments on the page.

Isn't this against WP:SPAM - Article 3? Please take a look at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Kent-Meridian High School.

It's very intimidating, violates the policies that Misplaced Pages states it has, and gives me dread. I had no idea that schools were a hot-button issue. I feel this whole posting is increasingly showing bad faith. What more can I do? Is there a place I can appeal to? KarenAnn 13:56, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

P.S. If I am being oversensitive and too wimpy, let me know. I'm trying to get tougher -- I just didn't know people could be so openly mean. KarenAnn 13:56, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I can post a reminder to those that have been spamming if you wish

I wish you would, as I think such experiences drive well-motivated novices away from Misplaced Pages. And I promised on the Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Kent-Meridian High School that I will never touch a school page again, and I mean it. I just was clueless, else I never would have stepped into that minefield. KarenAnn 14:41, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

P.S. I'm not going to nominate any articles for deletion again. I have withdrawn from many articles and activities that I used to enjoy (like Cuban-related articles after the Teemu episode and all the subsequent arguing that is still going on at the expense of any progress on the article). I'm too academic and over-educated, and not the right kind of person to be involved with Misplaced Pages, I think. KarenAnn 14:41, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

School spam

Thanks and duly noted. I'll see if I can work in the context of the Schools project talk page to work this out. — RJH (talk) 15:12, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks MONGO!

I'm a forensic psychologist -- something in common!

My profession entails having a high profile and getting the same kind of unprovoked attacks as here. Now it has happened twice in a month on Misplaced Pages -- just what I want to avoid! So thanks for your reassuring words and suggestions. (There should be a Misplaced Pages crisis intervention page for new people in shock.) KarenAnn 15:38, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

silencing dissent?

What the hell is with you removing all my comments from Talk:September 11, 2001 attacks? Is only one side of the argument allowed to be presented there?

I was only trying to suggest a little neutrality, so by removing what I said without reason you've shown that you are willing to abuse your position to push a POV. Damburger 16:08, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I understand how someone as ignorant as yourself is desperate to silence those with contrary opinions, but now you are being fucking pathetic. Every time I post something to that page you remove it and are now threatening me with a block merely for voicing my opinion. Congratulations on being a Fascist. Damburger 16:22, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

I have experienced this same problem with this same Misplaced Pages user. The tags on the 9/11 page says its partially protected and that additions should be made first to the comments page rather than the main article. There's a lengthy, sophomoric analysis of American journalism that appears on the comments page, which is way off topic, but it has remained. Even though I had some my additions vandalized, I still respect that others have their viewpoints.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.255.0.91 (talk • contribs)

The zogby poll has been discussed elsewhere and is a misleading poll...Zogby should be ashamed of itself for even conducting it and the bias they demonstrated with the types of qeustioning they asked is appaling...as far as I am concerned, I'll never trust another Zogby poll again. It's you POV that makes you blind to this very fact.--MONGO 15:53, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Administrator took mercy and closed Kent-Meridian School early

He did it because (according to my Watchlist) "(being WP:BOLD and closing as keep, nothing productive will come of this, so I'm ending the sarcasm and personal attacks".

The attacks on me were just getting worse. That spamming unleashes vicious people. I mulled over changing my name permanently through the administrative process but it sounded too complicated.

To think that I became invoved in Misplaced Pages when I realized all I knew were criminals and I needed to get a life, since I am retiring. But now I know I prefer murderers to Wikipedians -- murderers are up front and more civil! KarenAnn 22:02, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Apology to you for being such a jerk!

A spell of desperate cynicism but I am over it. Thank you for being kind and tactful. All my prior AFD's have been for blatant advertising and I obviously was insensitive about the school issue.

I looked at your articles and wonder if you are from Montana or that generl area. If you are, it is lovely country. I like the space and the visible horizon, although I have been frightened driving at night and caught in empty land between distant towns. I worked on some park articles for a while, not on the scale you have. Lately I've have been helping little places in other countries get their village or temple or tribe web page cleaned up. That's been remarkably interesting since sometimes when I start I can't even figure out what continent they are on. There still are little geology-related articles I come across to work on, or a short explanation of something scientific that needs to be clean up and attached.

Regarding anthropology, the school I went to was very much into Kroeber and I took many cultural anthology courses, not even thinking about physical anthropology and the satisfaction of putting clues together.

So I'll take your advice, work on low key areas of interest, and be more astute. (I think it is something about my name that draws fire. Maybe I should change it.)

Anyway, thank you for all your help. KarenAnn 19:49, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

I was in the middle of nominating another AFD when you bannered me.

Can't resist. Not a school though but an obvious promo. And when I was checking it upon completion, someone had already agreed. The school thing was a fluke. Almost every one I have nominated has been deleted, except for "petal pumping" which I thought was a hoax but turns out to be a bonofide foot fetish, as was explained to me -- but politely. No one got upset! KarenAnn 22:46, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

P.S. I didn't mean to be flippant. I have learned never to nominate schools, bands or musical performers, generalized last names, and probably a few other catagories. I usually stick to adverts and try to get them on a copy vio first -- so I am taking in information and becoming more adept, I hope. KarenAnn 00:20, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

You blocked my vandal

Thanks for standing up for the little guy! ^.^ --Pifactorial 09:52, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

ED article

Just to clarify this, I reverted the Encyclopædia Dramatica article to the version with the old main page picture, then the image was overwritten with the new version you then deleted. I don't see a problem with keeping the old main page picture, and I'm sure enough eyes will revert any attempts to add any personal attacks in any way. --Conti|✉ 14:33, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

We're pretty confused at the talk page at the article right now as to why the image was deleted outright instead of reverted, and why we're protected now. Care to hit up the talk page for us? --badlydrawnjeff talk 15:27, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Because others have reinserted the new version with the current mainpage status which constitutes a personal attack on me. I don't have to put up with it here and I'm not going to. I don't give a good godamn damn what a bunch of trash do on that website, but they are not going to import their shit into wikipedia, do you now understand?--MONGO 19:02, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

MONGO, as someone who is 100% totally standing up for you - your back is gotten. You should take a step back and have a cup of tea. I know how stressful thing kind of thing can be. I'm certain that Tony S. will do what needs to get done. Walk away for a few.Hipocrite - «Talk» 19:08, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh, thanks...all I ahve asked is that the image of their current mainpage not be reinserted. I don't care if protection is lifted...but the warning stands that if I see that image of the current mainpage put back in, the repercussions will be immediate and permanent.--MONGO 19:13, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

The only way that image will be in the article will be over the dead bodies of many many people here. Hipocrite - «Talk» 19:15, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

None of us want the "current mainpage" image reinstated, so it's not an issue. You don't have to get so snippy about it, read the talk page comments. --badlydrawnjeff talk 19:29, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

I can see little reason to use this website to do anything more than mention that ED exists. I'll be making sure that the ED article and those that edit it, complies completely with our policies and if it can't, then it will be long bumpy road for those who are trying to use this medium to promote that website.--MONGO 19:39, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

That's all we've been trying to do, don't worry. Don't let one moronic troll get his way. --badlydrawnjeff talk 21:23, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't think that person had hoped for page protection, but that was the end result. I delted the image twice and it was then recreated over the older version. I don't think that having a screen shot of any page from that website helps wikipedia have an encyclopedic entry on the website. This isn't about mnaking ED editors happy, it's about ensuring we don't allow our medium to promote theirs.--MONGO 21:26, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree that it's not a vehicle for promotion, but I do suggest reading over the archives to see where we've gotten from. If anything, a number of editors have been extremely careful to keep things on the up and up given the subject matter. --badlydrawnjeff talk 21:55, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Protection policy, under "How," number one:

"Do not edit or revert a temporarily protected page, except to add a protected page notice, a link to Misplaced Pages:Accuracy dispute or Misplaced Pages:NPOV dispute, or a similar disclaimer about the current state of an article, unless there is widespread agreement that the page was protected in violation of these policies."

I understand you're upset, and I don't disagree. You are, however, now crossing lines that need not be crossed. Please revert yourself. --badlydrawnjeff talk 22:55, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: Banff

I was in Banff National Park once, but it was a long time ago as part of a family trip. (We also visited Calgary and Vancouver on that trip, and I think we might even have seen Mount St. Helens as well. Also, I think we spent a lot of time driving.) I don't think I'd have much to add to the article without having to study up on it.

Actually, these days I'm rather busy working on Minnesota, trying to get it to FA status with some other people from WP:WPMN. (The history section didn't even say anything major about happenings after 1861.) After that, I plan to work on History of Minnesota, which needs some serious help. It seems like the work on Misplaced Pages is never done. --Elkman - (Elkspeak) 22:21, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar

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You might want to look at this

You have a stalker: -- Fan-1967 04:40, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Re:your reversions

You are abusing your tools. I suggest you go offline for a while and calm down. You are a good guy but you have a tendency to play on borderline of acceptable behaviour. Don't do that. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 06:20, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Replied on my talk. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 06:27, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

I blocked and reverted someone who was mass spamming and trolling some stuff about you just to let you know. Thanks Jaranda 06:40, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Talk: Encyclopedia Dramatica

With due respect, I think you’re taking this whole Encyclopaedia Dramatica thing too far. Is four edits to a talk page in under a minute the norm? Take a breather, rather than hammer recent changes. ~ IICATSII 07:26, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

I was correcting my own typos...now you engage in personal attacks elsewhere, no surprise.--MONGO 07:51, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

I did it!!!! I did it!! Hallelujah! This is almost as good as my liberal cabal membership. --kizzle 07:57, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

I haven't insulted you, I stated that you could handle this case with a little more decorum and that several wikipedians have articles there (yes I have one too). I admire your merits, however I still believe you need to take a breather from this until it blows over. ~ IICATSII 08:03, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Check User

Hi, can you maybe do a check user for me? I suspect that User:Zapatancas is using the name User:Hagiographer to avoid his ban on editting José Luis Rodríguez Zapatero.--Jersey Devil 11:01, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Your revert at Monad

There will be no "hashing it out on the talk page", as you put it, so you may or may not want to re-consider your edit to Monad. I have very little interest in that article, and only cleaned it up in passing as I have cleaned up dozens of disambiguation pages. I have pointed LoveMonkey at WP:D, but he obviously has a POV to grind, and I'm not going to follow up further, since there are literally thousands of poorly constructed disambiguation pages on Misplaced Pages that I can work on when I'm not RC patroling. -Harmil 13:54, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Background

What's the deal with Hardwick? You archived, why is he all hot and bothered about it, and what's up with his allergy to the word "troll" as an inexcusable personal attack? Apologies for not doing the digging through histories thing. Thanks much - KillerChihuahua 19:55, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

The Whole Encylopedia Dramatica Thing

Sir, I mean no offense when I say this, but I implore you to please take a breather, evaluate the situation, and realize that you are not a neutral party, and should not be proposing the article for deletion. Please, keep an NPOV, and do not harass users, as per Misplaced Pages Policy. --Jmax- 23:04, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Oops... I mis-read the deletion page. I apologize for not getting my facts straight. But either way, my point stands; you are not a neutral party and should not be discussing or contributing. --Jmax- 23:08, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

I disagree. MONGO's voice should be heard, along with the others. --rogerd 23:20, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Why ....

Why are you so fascinating to people that they take all their time and energy to harass you and such? I don't get it.

By the way, I'm being heavily encouraged to do a rfc on the school spam guy. But I don't think I would achieve anything useful by doing so. I would like to bring up for discussion that turning a genuine discussion into a political issue by labeling my nomination as " the latest rallying cry of the deletists" and internal spamming for votes is innately wrong -- but I would probably end up having a page written on me on that Dramatica site that you are having a problem with.

How does a guy from Montana warrant all that attention? KarenAnn 23:59, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Have a cold one

Hi there MONGO, I see all this ED rubbish is causing you stress, which you certainly do not deserve. I hope things improve, best not to worry about that lot (not that you are). Anyway drop me a line, hope things improve for you. Stay cool. All the best -- Banes 01:55, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

It isn't worth the stress. It should be past your bed time anyway (aren't you on Eastern time zone?), I know it's past mine and I'm in Central. Guettarda 07:05, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

BTW, I realise that's easier said than done... Guettarda 07:05, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I see, yeah, I probably got your localities scrambled (Ryan's page is on my watchlist so I see bits of your conversation with her). In that case, you're probably anything but sleepy. I sat down to work on a manuscript around midenight - I've now wasted two hours on WP. But yeah, you sounded stressed about the debate. It makes sense to ensure that the article adhere's to policy, but right now I am mostly amused by the drama being generated by the ED affair. Maybe it's intentional ;) Guettarda 07:17, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I do

have an email address as you describe. KarenAnn 10:20, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

P.S. I just tried it and it doesn't seem to show up, even though it did a few days ago and I have received email through it. And it is entered on my preferences. Hum . . . one of those technical things over my head. ~~

O.K. I works now. A box got unchecked accidently, apparently. KarenAnn 10:24, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Accusations

Hi Mongo, thanks for your work on Misplaced Pages! A few months back, I accused someone of sockpuppetry, and later found out I was wrong. I was fairly embarrassed, and felt pretty bad about it, too (the user was really insulted). May I suggest you give yourself a very long cooling-off period before you post such accusations? Perhaps you are fairly sure about User:Bouquet, but weren't you also fairly sure about User:Samsara? My experience has been that it's best to never make the accusation unless you are fully prepared to do so in the proper forum, and with the requisite proof. Like invoking Godwin's Law, it's one of the nastiest available tactics you can level against someone around here; and like a loaded weapon, you shouldn't present it unless you're prepared to use it. Vague allusion to sockpuppetry is a lot like waving a gun in the air to scare someone, I think... Just my $0.02, because you seem a very reasonable editor to me. Eaglizard 12:11, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Huh? What did I post? Interesting that you have suddenly appeared on my talk page, accusing me of posting any evidence anywhere. You trying to cover up for someone?--MONGO 12:23, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Me

Yep, most years the GOP sweeps in Merrimack, but hopefully this year will be different, the town election saw every single incumbent of any significance lose. Then again, it was a conservative backlash against the "RINOs", but I think I can spin it ;)

I voted to delete the ED article, those people have been jerks to me too, so don't feel alone there, albeit nowhere near what i've heard you've been through.

I'm going to try and slowly dip my toes into the water of Misplaced Pages again, it's just too cold right now for most article space, but I might start swimming again depending on the circumstances. Either way, thanks for all your friendship and please let me know if I can help you with anything that's in my capability to do. Karmafist 13:18, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Hello

I was passing by, and just dropped in to say a hello. --Bhadani 13:20, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I need your help again with User:Noigel2000

Mongo, please read the latest diatribe by User:Noigel2000 at Talk:Legionellosis. Please help. I think he needs to be banned. - mbeychok 15:19, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

User:Rptng03509345

I just got a rather long email from this user stating (in several pages) that you have abused your position. Since I don't know who this person 'really' is, why they are emailing me, and what they want me to do, would you care to shead some light on the matter? Thanks! Ian¹³/t 16:32, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

A lot of people have been getting emails about me...it is being done by trolls creating sockpuppet accounts and temporary email addresses to spam admins and others around wikipedia. Examine the links and you'll see if you examine around a few of them that I have not broken 3RR, not done anything aside from tried to ensure the encyclopedia drama article follows our polices regarding reliable sources and isn't a vanity page. The AN/I is strewn with debris from this nonsense, and a number of other editors have been reported already to 3RR. A total of about 5 acknowledged admins from the encyclopedia dramatica website have voted keep on the Afd about their website, along with numerous editors with less than 50 edits total, a few that only recently returned to wikipedia to wikistalk me and vote keep there...it is a mess.--MONGO 16:40, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, I for one am shocked!

That's all very well, but how about the first group of five links in the e-mail? Your vandalous reversions? Yes, you may well look sheepish, MONGO, how could you? I see you have reverted an edit to my very own page by community-banned User:Thewolfstar, how do you know I didn't need to read that? And you reverted Jimbo's page twice--not only removing a link to ED, but actually reverting one of our most trusted users, User:ComplainingAboutAdminsGetsYouBannedAndYourTalkPageFrozen. . Don't you know that kind of behavior is vandalism according to WP:VAND? Yours disapprovingly, Bishonen | talk 19:52, 19 July 2006 (UTC).

Yep, it's raining Shumuckythecats, Bluaarvarks and spineless moronic trolls from the sky....it's the end of the world as we know it!--MONGO 21:19, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Uh, I would hardly call Bishonen a spineless moronic troll. Esteffect 21:33, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I didn't of course...I was agreeing with her...she is being facetious...(kidding, in case you misunderstand me again) and I was joking back with her. Bish and I know each other here, so I know she is kidding, and I'm sure she knows I am as well.--MONGO 21:45, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

You didn't get one? That does leave you in an exclusive club. Even I got it; it is the first peice of Misplaced Pages spam I have ever received. I treasured it for about six or seven seconds this morning before I deleted it. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 22:36, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Be bold

Please continue to do what you feel is right.

I, for one, find the conduct of the trolls laughable and more than a little pathetic... mostly because I'm not a target. When you're the target, it's a lot less funny. In any case, please keep on being bold and 'doing what's right'. It's appreciated by many, many editors who are not in fact socks. -- User:RyanFreisling @ 21:25, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you...I've stepped back a bit...we'll see what nonsense they do next. But it is laugable to me too to be honest...I'm amazed that they think that my immediate and perhaps bold decisions to protect myself and this enterprise are somehow egregious misuses of "power"...I consider it conteracting the actions of trolls. None of those...not a single one...that is actively and hostily engaging in attempts to keep the ED article have produced any substantive works of accomplishment as far as wikipedia is concerned. Though some are far worse than others, their continued insistence that the article be kept means they endorse the trash that is posted there on wikipedians, and I can see no reason to trust a single one of them. My actions were not just about me...I always try to defend all editors here from harassment.--MONGO 21:39, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Heya, just dropping a line to let you know I got one of those emails too, detailing the scandalous behaviour of yourself and sundry other ROUGE ADMINS. All I can say is, stay cool, keep up the good work, and don't let the bastards grind you down. --Stormie 22:44, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Saddam and al-Qaeda

Hey MONGO, can I ask you to return to the Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda page? I realize you have suggested that neither side will be happy with your proposed changes, but my sense is that both sides would be happier with that than with an endless back-and-forth on the talk page. I think your input there was both useful and level-headed, regardless of when I agree or disagree with you, so I hope you haven't abandoned it. Thanks!--csloat 02:04, 20 July 2006 (UTC)