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I saw your comments at the DRN discussion above. This comment isn't going to be much (if any) help, and I regret that. But particularly for a lot of topics of this nature, relating to current events and/or people that are subjects of contentious discussion in the few reliable sources we can find which do discuss them, sometimes the best thing to do at least in the short term might be to try to establish as much as possible what potential articles have the established notability to exist and see what encyclopedic content might be relevant enough for inclusion in them. This will still unfortunately lead to some questions regarding the amount of weight to give the potential subtopics in the main article, but where spinout can be achieved it tends to reduce the contentiousness of the discussion. Sometimes, anyway. And, particularly for topics like this which tend to be covered primarily in foreign language (in this case Japanese) sources, seeing if there is any way to find people who are comparatively expert in what are and are not so much reliable sources in those languages to take part in the discussion would probably help. I, of course, don't know a damn thing about Japan or Japanese culture, and I wish that weren't the case.
Anyway, like I said, it probably isn't much help, if any, but maybe it might be of some. ] (]) 00:25, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
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Gathering Day
Hi. Just to let you know that I've asked the copyright team to check that the "Customs and rituals" section of Gathering Day, which you copy edited today, to ask them to ensure that the article complies with the copyright terms of Hilaire Wood's page. However, I've also proposed deletion of Gathering Day as it appears to muddle two different things. Calan Awst takes place in August and Gathering Day in June (Midsummer's Day). --Stfg (talk) 10:28, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
Stfg, thanks for keeping me posted about the copyvio but I am not sure who is Hilaire Wood. I added info from the book of Ellaine Mc Coy. I did not check for copyright issues though. ----
It was just to notify you of what I did, because you contributed to the article recently and I've prodded it. I believe the reference to McCoy's book that you added is correct for Gathering Day. Hilaire Wood is the author of the reference listed as FN1, which was added by the article creator long ago, not by you. I think it has nothing to do with Gathering Day, and that the article creator confused two things. Since Gathering Day might be a decent topic for an article, if you wanted to take charge of it, I'd be happy for the prod to go -- and the copyvio notice if we can get rid of the Calan Awst aspects. Regards, --Stfg (talk) 08:19, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
Actually, I've realised I could solve the problem. I've deprodded and stubbed Gathering Day using the source you provided, but paraphrasing a little less closely. I've deleted everything to do with Calan Awst from it, removing that bit of copyvio. Calan Awst was a redirect to Gathering Day; I've pointed it instead to Lammas. I'm done, it's all yours now. --Stfg (talk) 12:50, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
You've found more than I thought there would be about it, and it's beginning to look like a nice article now. I've just popped in to position punctuation before the ref tags, which is the Misplaced Pages style. Hope that's OK. --Stfg (talk) 09:06, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
Mausala Parva
Hi again. That was quite a brave undertaking! I'm impressed that you managed to reduce the article by selecting material from what was already there rather than starting from scratch. I hope this will make it more likely that your approach will be accepted. The fact that two other editors have started to take it from there is encouraging. Your notes on the talk page and the Indian project page were a good idea too.
What I would recommend now is to leave the article alone for a while and see what comes up. After a week or two it should become clear whether the interested editors are happy to let the article develop from its current state. If you like, you can now put the article in your section of the GOCE drive page and mark it as "completed". The word count is 2958, I think. This doesn't stop you doing more on the article if you like, but I think you are already entitled to credit for it. If you do that, I will add a "checked" mark for it.
I hope you won't mind, but I'm going to go in there and fix some typos, tweak some sentence structures and remove the copyedit tag. The tag needs to go now, so that others don't take it on. Hope that's OK. --Stfg (talk) 10:48, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for that. I have added this article to the backlog elimination drive list, but I am not seriously interested in the drive because of a slow internet connection and my exams coming up next month. I edit more as a distraction between studies. I will leave this article alone for now and see how other editors work on it. Bye! -Wikishagnik 04:21, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
Fair enough. The {{GOCEreviewed}} template is for when we remove a {{copyedit}} tag without doing any copy editing, because the article is unsuitable for some reason. As you and I both did work on it, it didn't need to be {{GOCEreviewed}} too. Good luck with your upcoming exams. Best, --Stfg (talk) 08:32, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
University of St. La Salle]
I see a note on the talk page of University of St. La Salle that you copied some material into the article with this edit. I haven't checked to see that you have proper permission to do so, that isn't my current question, I am merely informing you that because much of the article appeared to be a copyright violation, it has been restored to an earlier version with removes your edit. If you have proper authorization to use the material you added, feel free to add it again.--SPhilbrick(Talk)14:12, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
Because I revdel'd the intervening versions to hide the copyvio, your original edit may not be easy for you to see. I can recover it for you (I think) if you want to try again, just let me know.--SPhilbrick(Talk)14:17, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
I can't believe I copied stuff insted of adding references. This seems to be a mistake from my end so thanks. -Wikishagnik 23:36, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
September 2012 copy edit backlog elimination drive barnstar!
Moved the Barnstar to my page -Wikishagnik 00:16, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
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Please take care not to add {{stub}} to an article like Old Channal which already has an appropriate specific stub template - it just wastes other editors' time. Thanks. PamD08:53, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
I think I see where your confusion is coming from at the Help Desk. I've tried to answer it. If you care to read my answer, and see if it makes sense, that'd be great. If you have any further questions, I'd be glad to answer them. --Jayron3204:52, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
As Rise of the Zombies has aired and is the recipient of commentary and analysis in reliable sources, I have expanded it and returned the article to mainspace. More work can be done certainly, but WP:NF is met. Schmidt,22:13, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
Schmidt, thanks for keeping me posted, yes, I can see that work is required and I will try my best to add content as much as possible. Regards -Wikishagnik (talk) 22:26, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
I actually watched the thing last evening.. which inspired my bringing it back to life. Not too bad. It did have some decent moments and was definitely gorier than its predecessors. Not at all surprised, specially considering the Season, that it is now receiving commentary by such as The New York Times. Schmidt,22:46, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
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as regards mediation/discussion on Dr. Proctor, seems very simple to solve expeditiously through an official &/or unofficial Wiki invitation to appropriate schools said to employ and grant alleged qualifications(that disagree with State Medical Board file btw) Here is all the contact info.
Investigation of Masters Degree, PhD, Thesis adviser, M.D. Residency, Specialization Degree(s) in Pathology, Dermatology,Neuroscience, BioPsychiatry contacthttp://registrar.uth.tmc.edu/reg_contact.html
Investigation of Faculty and/or Staff position at Baylor. http://www.bcm.edu/hr/contact
Investigation of Faculty and/or Staff position at UTMB http://hr.utmb.edu/Inhouse expert (talk) 03:03, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
seems they should have input in discussion & be concerned if or (if not) someone is going around claiming employment at their school.Inhouse expert (talk) 03:03, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
P.S. I just wanted to say that I think you don't get credit and take to much criticism for your efforts to move discussions forward, keep your chin up.Inhouse expert (talk) 15:28, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
Hi. I am not an admin, but I saw the thread at ANI and thought I would take a look at it. I left you and the other editor a note at the article's talk page. I personally feel that shows like that are a total waste of space and time, and by extension, so are the Misplaced Pages articles on them. But the fact remains that waaaay too many people like that stuff and trying to get rid of the articles on here would be about as productive as trying to get rid of the Pokemon articles. Please don't be offended, but I really do agree that you PROD'd that article in error. Take a look at my note on the article talk page for details. Did the other editor make way too big a deal out of it? Heck, ya he did. But, he appears to be pretty much a WP:SPA editor on TV reality shows, and as I mentioned at the talk page, doesn't seem to grasp WP:N all that well. SPA editors are not always a problem. I edit a lot on high school articles and many of them are maintained almost completely by SPA's. Who else is going to care about a school in BF nowhere that graduates 15 kids a year except one of those 15 kids, ya know? I know I don't want to spend any time working on reality tv articles, and I doubt you do, so given that they are not going to go away, why don't you just do like I do and ignore them completely? You will run into many editors like the one you are in conflict with if you don't, IMHO. Anyway, I hope tomorrow is better for you and I wish you happy editing! Take care. Gtwfan52 (talk) 08:17, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
Long version: Remember the section in The Seagull where Chekhov satires the pretentiousness of Shamrayev, who somehow manages to mangle the Latin maxim De gustibus non est disputandum into "de gustibus aut bene, aut nihil"?
As you can see from see from my contributions, I'm interested in supposedly "high-brow" things and also completely sports mad.
My sports-mad friends simply accept that, while it is not their taste, I am also interested The Yartz
My high-brow culture friends simply accept that, while it is not their taste, I am also mad about sport, particularly about State of Origin series, arguably the greatest sports rivalry in the universe and most Bogan sports series in Australia
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Hello. I am just letting you know that I've made a proposal to create a rotating DRN organiser-style role that would help with the day-to-day running of DRN. As you are a listed volunteer at DRN, I'd appreciate your thoughts on this, and the other open proposals at DRN. You can read more about it here. Thanks! StevenZhang00:19, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
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Hi there. I've noticed it's been a while since you've been active at DRN, and we could really use your help! DRN is going to undergo some changes soon, so it'd really be great if our backlog is cleared before the start of August and we have as many people on board to help with the changes (they include a move to subpages and the creation of a rotating "co-ordinator" role to help manage things day-to-day. Hope to see you soon! StevenZhang11:43, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
Hi there, I noticed that you haven't been as active at DRN as you was before. DRN has been a bit backlogged lately and we could use some extra hands. We have updated our volunteer list to a new format, Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution noticeboard/Volunteers (your name is still there under the old format if you haven't updated it) and are looking into ways to make DRN more effective and more rewarding for volunteers (your input is appreciated!). If you don't have much time to volunteer at the moment, that's fine too, just move your name to the inactive list (you're free to add yourself back to active at any time). Hope to see you again soon :) Steven Zhang (talk) 13:41, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
Hi Wikishagnik, Thanks for your apology on my talk page after receiving an email from User:TransporterMan. I've left you a more complete message there if you care to read it. However, your continued presence and interference in the case in question, makes your apology a bit hollow. There are two cases awaiting moderation. Why don't you leave the case I am moderating, and which you are undermining and disrupting, and take a case that needs a moderator? I don't get this. User:Steven Zhang (DRN volunteer coordinator) any comments on this issue? -- — Keithbob • Talk • 01:31, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
Have to agree with Keithbob here. Sometimes more than one volunteer is needed when a dispute gets a bit out of hand, but I think Keithbob has this one down pat. I'd really encourage you to take on a case that needs another volunteer - drop me or one of the other DRN guys a line if you need some tips :). StevenZhang11:12, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
Wow! I really like the way User:Keithbob was all polite and diplomatic on his own talk page and chose to go caustic on mine. And User:Steven Zhang, you may feel that Keithbob has it down pat! but that really does not explain why the DRN about this song says Needs Attention for so long? --Wikishagnik (talk) 19:41, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
"Needs attention" is a case status that happens by default when the case has been opened for longer than a pre-detemined time. It doesn't necessarily mean that it needs more volunteers, but it is a guide for volunteers to see if it has been abandoned. In this case, Keith is still working on it, and it might be a situation where he can manage on his own, as he has indicated. There are other cases that do need assistance, perhaps you could look at one of those? StevenZhang23:49, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
Wikishagnik, I have to disagree with your comment that Kiethbob was being "caustic". The volunteer was being frank and honest. But I am very sure it was not meant to be mean spirited in any way. Sometimes too many cooks can spoil the broth.--Mark Miller (talk) 23:56, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
Steven Zhang (talk·contribs), from my own R&D I feel this is an issue with Earwig Bot and its settings need to be tweaked, so that it does not red-flag a discussion in progress (even ones that threaten to go stale). Mark Miller (talk·contribs), in view of your opinion it would help me a lot personally if you can explain why Keithbob (talk·contribs) on his own talk page says Thanks for coming by and I sincerely appreciate your apology and hopefully we have both learned something from this while his comments on my talk page are not so friendly.--Wikishagnik (talk) 08:37, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
Yes, as Steven explained this false status of Needs Attention is an issue that is currently being discussed on the DRN talk page. Meanwhile, If I sounded caustic, I apologize. Let me try again. What I am asking is if you could please leave the Hava Nagilla case and take up another case that has no moderator. That would diffuse this whole situation. Thanks, -- — Keithbob • Talk • 03:06, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
I really like your opening statement on Oscar López Rivera.
I'd been thinking about that case overnight, considering taking it, so let me pass on a couple of ideas that you've probably thought of them already. So FWIW:
They're throwing court cases and sentencing documents back and forth at one another. They need to be aware that those sources are not usable as reliable sources under BLPPRIMARY, which says in pertinent part:
Do not use trial transcripts and other court records, or other public documents, to support assertions about a living person. ... Where primary-source material has been discussed by a reliable secondary source, it may be acceptable to rely on it to augment the secondary source, subject to the restrictions of this policy, no original research, and the other sourcing policies.
(Emphasis added.)
Just because a crime is officially classified under the law as a "violent crime" does not mean that all possible acts that can constitute the crime are necessarily physically violent, any more than the fact that Florida is officially referred to as the Sunshine State means that there is 100% sunshine there. When used that way, the term is a classification, not a definition.
I was going to point them to the very specific language from SYN that:
Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources. If one reliable source says A, and another reliable source says B, do not join A and B together to imply a conclusion C that is not mentioned by either of the sources. This would be a synthesis of published material to advance a new position, which is original research. "A and B, therefore C" is acceptable only if a reliable source has published the same argument in relation to the topic of the article.
Thanks for your ideas and yes, I will keep them, they are good. I will wait for the Wikiproject Criminal Biography to respond, as I will need some consensus about this. --Wikishagnik (talk) 14:21, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
A beer for you!
Nice work on the God's Not Dead (film) case! I think it was probably a typo but just in case.......... I wanted to point out that a WP:RFC is for content only, however a WP:RfC/U is a community review of a users conduct. I bring it up because this post was a bit misleading (likely it was unintentional) "if you feel that issue is more about Anupam's conduct then please consider discussing your points in a RFC and not here. While we at this DRN try to resolve differences, some things are beyond our scope and cannot be addressed here to your complete satisfaction. The volunteers at WP:RFC are more experienced at handling conduct issues" You are an excellent moderator and I hope you come by DRN more often. Best, — Keithbob • Talk • 19:56, 10 April 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for the notice re the dispute resolution regarding Oscar Lopez Rivera. I have been researching the issue, and will be able to comment later tonight. Thanks again, Sarason (talk) 23:52, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
PLEASE NOTE: I have just provided my comment in the dispute resolution for Oscar Lopez Rivera.
I understand that they maybe can't agree, but one possible solution could be that they all agree about not editing each others articles... that would be something, no? Before closing down... Hafspajen (talk) 19:17, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
I'm actually fine with that. Let me know if that includes the Talk page. I still think some of the statements within the article are poorly worded, unsupported, or questionably supported, but I'll leave the editing of those sections to others.Ss 051 (talk) 13:10, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
Lets not go down the road to blaming individuals for the failure or success of a DRN. There is no rule or law that says all Misplaced Pages editors have to agree with consensus, and have to start editing the way others want them to edit. Remember, consensus does not mean a solution that makes everyone happy, it is simply something that everyone can live with. So, if editors stop themselves from making changes that go against the consensus, it's enough. Also understand that not agreeing to what is being said in a discussion, does not imply disruptive editing. All Misplaced Pages editors are entitled to their own opinions and I personally respect that. Admin blocks and such work best when there is a strong presence of disruptive editing such as 3RR, plagiarism etc. and simply sticking to your point of view in a discussion is not on that list. I hope I have been able to address all your concerns. For now, lets assume good faith and I wish happy editing to all Misplaced Pages editors (even those who don't agree with me).--Wikishagnik (talk) 09:58, 16 April 2014 (UTC)
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Best regards, TransporterMan 15:52, 8 January 2015 (UTC) (current DRN coordinator)
I saw your comments at the DRN discussion above. This comment isn't going to be much (if any) help, and I regret that. But particularly for a lot of topics of this nature, relating to current events and/or people that are subjects of contentious discussion in the few reliable sources we can find which do discuss them, sometimes the best thing to do at least in the short term might be to try to establish as much as possible what potential articles have the established notability to exist and see what encyclopedic content might be relevant enough for inclusion in them. This will still unfortunately lead to some questions regarding the amount of weight to give the potential subtopics in the main article, but where spinout can be achieved it tends to reduce the contentiousness of the discussion. Sometimes, anyway. And, particularly for topics like this which tend to be covered primarily in foreign language (in this case Japanese) sources, seeing if there is any way to find people who are comparatively expert in what are and are not so much reliable sources in those languages to take part in the discussion would probably help. I, of course, don't know a damn thing about Japan or Japanese culture, and I wish that weren't the case.
Hello. You have a new message at Talk:Kashmir conflict's talk page. Mr T 10:18, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
You are invited to join the discussion at WP:ANI#Content manipulation on 2012 Italian Navy Marines shooting incident in the Laccadive Sea because we need fresh set of eyes with a view to resolve content related editorial differences. Onlyfactsnofiction (talk) 10:01, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
-- — Keithbob • Talk • 12:19, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
