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Ingredients

What kind of flour is used? The article mentions flour several times, but no mention of what kind. Is it typically wheat flour, lentil flour, or some other grain? --Showeropera (talk) 16:26, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Comment

Throughout its history, the Caucasus was usually incorporated into the Iranian world. Armenian cracker bread is something else...its a cracker not a soft bread.

No it isn't, Armenian cracker bread is lavash. Use Google. Hakob 22:09, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Dictionary.com

Reference the user supplied gives information about the etymology of lavash. What it reads is "Armenian, from Turkish", which means that the word entered English from Armenian, and it entered Armenian from Turkish.

So, the user wrote "it is of Armenian origin";

1. If the user wanted to imply that the word's etymology is of Armenian origin, this is not true. The reference he gave denies himself.

2. If the user wanted to imply that lavash bread itself is of Armenian origin, the reference he supplied doesn't give any information about this.

--85.102.189.236 11:27, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Origins of lavash

The references proving it is being of Middle East origin are being continuously reverted.

  Just examples: 

• Encyclopedia of Jewish Food |author=Gil Marks |publisher=John Wiley and Sons |year=2010 |page=355
• In a Persian Kitchen: Favorite Recipes from the Near East Paperback – December 15, 1989
• Big Green Egg Cookbook: Celebrating the World's Best Smoker and Grill
• Persian Cooking – January 1, 2000 by Nesta Ramazani

One of the users has modified the article citing that lavash is natively Armenian giving two references. I couldn't verify one of the references. and Throughout its history, the Caucasus was usually incorporated into the Iranian world I found the second reference in Google books. Here is the url:

Like Our Mountains: a history of Armenians in Canada

In the book the author doesn't give any information that it's natively or originally Armenian, only writes that it's an Armenian dish, but it can also be a Persian dish, Turkish dish etc...

In another book I have found in Google books it reads about the Iranian roots of lavash, although it's called Armenian flatbread. Here is the url:

Making Classic Breads with the Cutting-edge Techniques of a Bread Master

In another book, it reads that it's a Georgian bread. Here is the url:

The Soviet Jewish Americans By Annelise Orleck

So, if you can find serious sources, verifiable ones will be appreciated, I will be with you to revert the article. Thanks...

Chapultepec 22:16, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Lavash is not considered as Armenian bread in Iran, otherwise Iran would not oppose to UNESCO's decision to recognize lavash as Armenian bread. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.132.14.85 (talk) 16:38, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

Cuisine stubs

Chapultepec may I remind you the more stubs the better it makes the article more popular and more people will see it, please do not remove it because that is the whole purpose of the tag, so people will see it and possibly expand. Artaxiad 02:43, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

I have no objections for the tags. What I fear is, in multi-national cuisine stubs only, that all the other related cuisines will rightfully place their tags and soon the articles will be a mess of cuisine stub tags. Chapultepec 02:50, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Well the majority are Persians and Armenians judging from the article, plus the Turkish cuisine and the rest are going to be accepted so everyone is going to make it. We will judge by the majority so far Iranian, Armenian, Turkish seems fine for this article thats not bad. I doubt theres going to be any more. Artaxiad 02:54, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

That's ok, not a problem. Thanks. Chapultepec 02:58, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

The bread

This is a reprize of what I put on the talk under hummus. This bread, it sounds very much like the bread I knew in Lebanon, called ma-ouk This was a flat bread, would not make a pocket, and was made by throwing the dough on an inverted wok-like metal dish. Was not often seen in Beirut, was considered a peasant bread, found in the countryside. --Dumarest 19:14, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Dacy do you mind explaining your newest addition? --VartanM 22:59, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Eloghlu, the sources you added are not reliable for number of reasons. Economist source is a journalist diary, and there is no mention of Azerbaijan the article says its origin is in northern Iran. The second source is bogus it only mentions lavash once. Third one is not reliable because its not a refrence, its a recipe of how to make lavash, and nowhere in that source it says that lavash is has Azeri origin. The fourth one is also bogus, no mention of lavash whatsoever. Please don't disturb this article. VartanM 02:33, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

You don't own article so you can't say other people not to touch the article. Regarding sources. The article has three sources. Following your logic teh article has two other boguz refrences. Either we will leave Economist or should remove two others as well. Besides, these first two sources does not indicate from there it has taken. So, please provide full description of sources. Besides, I am adding the source about the origin of the word 'lavash'.--Dacy69 14:10, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

I edited and added two versions of the origin - Azeri and Armenian. I hope it will end the dispute. The source which I provided for the origin of the word lavash being Turkic also claims that it was emanated from Armenia. I believe it is fair enough.--Dacy69 14:22, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Indeed, both are bogus references. Nowhere to I find the words Lavash is Azerbaycanlar.Hetoum I 00:46, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Dacy, the Economist article is not reliable because, first and foremost it doesn't say lavash has Azerbaijani origins, secondly its a diary of a journalist. Eda-server.ru reference only mentions lavash once, here is what it says

Мясо заедают рисом (или рисом, завернутым в лаваш) и вслед за тем пряной травой. Translation to English Meat is served with rice (or rice rolled in lavash) followed by greens

Please show me where it says lavash has Azerbaijani origin. Lastly don't put words in my mouth, I never told anyone not to touch the article. I only politely asked not to disturb it, and adding bogus sources is certainly disturbing it. VartanM 01:58, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

The Economist article says lavash originated in Azerbaijan, so I added that info back. Also, how the word lavash is Armenian, if it is of Turkish origin? This line makes no sense. Grandmaster 09:38, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Economist says merely "north-western Iran." That's both Iranian Azerbaijan and historic Armenia. It doesn't contradict the "Armenian origin."--TigranTheGreat 22:28, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

So North-Western Iran is historic Armenia? Are you serious? Grandmaster 05:05, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Never mind the geography, please tell me where in Economist or Eda.ru articles it says Lavash has Azerbaijani origin. VartanM 05:30, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

It says it originated in North Western Iran, which is Azerbaijan. Grandmaster 05:42, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Thats WP:OR Northwestern Iran is Iran. VartanM 06:13, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Whos the author of the Economist article? VartanM 07:16, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Armenian

Below are sources that say that Lavash is Armenian and Armenian was pieces of Persia culture. Over two thousand years ago, the Achaemenid soldier in the war with Greece and the Greeks, on the shield of war, would make bread http://books.google.com/books?id=mfERf5iJYbMC&pg=PA280&dq=lavash+armenian&sig=fM2c84XxyxtWXt36o2RwhV_LwLY http://books.google.com/books?id=WhcZ2nr2aEoC&pg=PA91&dq=lavash+armenian&sig=a6hGjGtrAQZA9bA8ZSfD5G7IMfY http://books.google.com/books?id=JvsTJwvUbHkC&pg=PA36&dq=lavash+armenian&sig=HwZQ1tvJtZt0kcj46w9ua61oI20 http://books.google.com/books?id=H-WRU06X-4kC&pg=RA4-PA2&ots=0AVbXyFnXv&dq=lavash+armenian&sig=XH5gATRExiUn9iAyGDZKqhfwXiQ http://books.google.com/books?id=sLI5CdQbYU4C&pg=PA27&ots=rLRTaDDORI&dq=lavash+armenian&sig=cixEtuwExfQ6-6P8cbG7AB3q6CQ http://books.google.com/books?id=jst-nbnQ_ZUC&pg=RA1-PA59&ots=QwuwQlPHhp&dq=lavash+armenian&sig=1bLGDmU956w33mZ6qb6lCLGwgpA http://books.google.com/books?id=W-AvAAAAMAAJ&q=lavash+armenian&dq=lavash+armenian&pgis=1 http://books.google.com/books?id=3hARNVh4GDkC&pg=PA32&dq=lavash+armenian&sig=Y2E-tUL7exHhPEkaagY0sozlSHE http://books.google.com/books?id=nkA3pUvcWvoC&pg=PA107&dq=lavash+armenian&sig=dFi1So8W7DFV86ln3Dg_5j3fm4g

Below are sources that say that Armenian was pieces of Persia culture. you can see evidences in UN and all college of history in the world. Throughout its history, the Caucasus was usually incorporated into the Iranian world

Do you want more? VartanM 05:58, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

As you noticed perhaps, in my version I had two opinions saying about Armenian and Azerbaijani origin. Secondly this article has now two unclear references. Please provide full description of reference number 3,4. Plus, information about the origin of word in incorrect. The reference says about etymology of the word which is from Turkish.--Dacy69 14:58, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps you've noticed what I said about your so called references. VartanM 16:15, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, pls. provide full descirption of those references and see information below.--Dacy69 15:31, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

some sources don't say it clearly, other are penned by Armenian authors. Below are sources that say Lavash was Georgian, Damascus (Arab) or Iranian for example, there are that say Turkish, Arab, Hebrew, Greek. Best to say Middle Eastern, which is what reliable sources do.

http://books.google.com/books?id=iRjiPR-GnnoC&pg=PA107&ots=PWU1YSDcY8&dq=&sig=qykp__UHl7DdFOBH1n6bLdAu8UU http://books.google.com/books?id=ydmtk2HGrcAC&pg=PA102&ots=3u1z5P1J3-&dq=&sig=Gui8fCTvEo_OOi0DgbCx7igAbAM http://books.google.com/books?id=QfWii9yeYdQC&pg=PA65&ots=cCra010iRq&dq=&sig=hwhMdHdjzyJbeGOAVhvasRNio-w http://books.google.com/books?id=6sJhZYvzyn8C&pg=PA74&ots=DtDTlLWqQX&dq=&sig=g7e0IgCjocjPbu-GetRoLp7U3n8 http://books.google.com/books?id=BKwYAAAAIAAJ&q=lavash&pgis=1#search http://books.google.com/books?id=kjZdbchMF94C&pg=PA70&ots=C8iyuPljq3&dq=&sig=xFqMACQpXcp_yoDtt4-zsIfq2Qo#PPA20,M1

More can be listed. Eloghlu 15:08, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Your sources

• 1 http://books.google.com/books?id=iRjiPR-GnnoC&pg=PA107&ots=PWU1YSDcY8&dq=&sig=qykp__UHl7DdFOBH1n6bLdAu8UU lavash (a crusty round Georgian bread eaten hot and sliced like a pie) Lavash is not sliced like a pie
• http://books.google.com/books?id=ydmtk2HGrcAC&pg=PA102&ots=3u1z5P1J3-&dq=&sig=Gui8fCTvEo_OOi0DgbCx7igAbAM lavash (crusty round Georgian bread eaten hot and sliced like a pie) Exact copy of the previous source. Lavash is not sliced like a pie
• http://books.google.com/books?id=QfWii9yeYdQC&pg=PA65&ots=cCra010iRq&dq=&sig=hwhMdHdjzyJbeGOAVhvasRNio-w While Aleksei and Zviad stood at Yourii Isaakovich's desk scooping food onto paper plates, Shloimie, Berl and Moshe placed newspaper as a makeshift tablecloth on the table in the back of the room. The scene was electric. What kind of reference is this??
• http://books.google.com/books?id=6sJhZYvzyn8C&pg=PA74&ots=DtDTlLWqQX&dq=&sig=g7e0IgCjocjPbu-GetRoLp7U3n8 Lavash has more personality than your average flour tortilla, with a stronger grain flavor. Nothing about its origin
• http://books.google.com/books?id=kjZdbchMF94C&pg=PA70&ots=C8iyuPljq3&dq=&sig=xFqMACQpXcp_yoDtt4-zsIfq2Qo#PPA20,M1 nothing about its origin

Eloghlu, its nice to see you in the talkpage. We are yet to see any reliable sources. VartanM 00:29, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

• especially for VartanM:

wording on 1 and 2 about lavash is same, but pages are different, authors are different

3. "what kind of reference is this??" you ask - "oval loaves of lavash (Georgian bread)" (Jewish Russians: Upheavals in a Moscow Synagogue By Sascha L. Goluboff).

4. "soft lavash wraps (sometimes called Damascus wraps)." (A Year in a Vegetarian Kitchen: Easy Seasonal Dishes for Family and Friends By Jack Bishop) - I think "Damascus wraps" is a rather unambiguous reference to origin.

5. "nothing about its origin" you say - "For Iranian flat breads, that is, barbari, lavash, taftoon (tanoor), and sangak, flour of 78%, 82%, 84%," (Flat Bread Technology By Jalal Qarooni)

VartanM - you references are mostly written by Armenian authors, who are neiher chefs (cuisine specialists), experts on lavash or historians. From my references, one Mr. Pokhlebkin, a top Russian-Soviet authority on the subject of national cuisine, is enough to override your refs, plus all other cooking/cuisine books provided. It is clear that lavash, despite being Turkish, has become so widespread and popular in all of Middle East, with everyone making their variations and varieties, that now it cannot but be called "Middle Eastern bread". Eloghlu 07:28, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Eleghlu, calling my references mostly Armenian is absurd, only one was Armenian, which I removed. If we follow your logic then we should rename Turkish coffee to Middle Eastern coffee. As for Mr. Pokhlebkin can you please provide the link and a quote. VartanM 07:50, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Clearly armenian. WHere you in middle east find non armenian lavash. Throught foods like this exist around middle east, but they aren't lavash.

-Ok all of you look, as a turk, I need to tell one thing:

The American source that says Lavaş comes from Armenian but is originally Turkish is complete nonsense, as their etymological research is not thorough enough, they did not go to the penultimate root. The word "lavaş" is not even turkish etymologically while "yufka" is. To put THE END to all that discussion to "is it Armenian or Turkish or Âzerî", I'd say look at the Turkish-Armenian Linguist Sevan Nişanyan who says the word itself is of persian origin. "Lâven" is in Middle-Persian synonym to Turkish "Yoğurmak" (to knead - to open dough) and "Lâvâş is the derived noun. Now, where it is geographically from? I'd say south caucasus, including Turkey, Armenia, Northern Iran and Azerbaïjan. Again, food brings us together, while we use it to divide ourselves. Can we unite around a table for a while? Look at the article Döner Kebab, Armenians, Turks and Greeks, Look at that GERMANS say it is THEIRS basing themselves on some BBC newsreel... Now isn't that scandalous???? --85.99.39.91 (talk) 21:57, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

McLavash

In eastern Europe lavash is quite a populars, so McDonalds has made McLavash. Look here http://foto.inbox.lv/greg1w/20-06-2007/P1010130-1.jpg Just don't understand, what armenians do with parandjas? 159.148.71.250 09:57, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

It's in Latvian. It means "discover eastern secrets", and it has nothing to do with Armenians. Dr. Klim (talk) 17:11, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Hawaii

I can't find mention of it here or elsewhere on the internet, but the "lavosh" in Hawaii is often sweet, made with tropical fruit juices. See this site for some examples (there are 3 pages of different varieties). I don't know if anyone wants to include it in the article, but I thought it was interesting to see how much recipes can change as they travel around the world. Indeterminate (talk) 21:10, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Turkic etimology from the "Etymologic dictionary of Turkic languages" (Moscow, 2003)

Quotation from the "Etymologic dictionary of Turkic languages": Что касается второго элемента аш, то одним из старейших его значений признается 'еда, пища'. --Quantum666 (talk) 05:01, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Those who are interested can find the dictionary here. "Lavash" is the first word there. --Quantum666 (talk) 15:50, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Try here:

--Emir Ali Enç (talk) 17:45, 23 March 2011 (UTC)

Armenian "translation"

Aram van, stop adding unsourced information to the article. --Quantum666 (talk) 18:36, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Aram van, using non-etymologic non-neutral sources will not help you to prove Armenian etymology. --Quantum666 (talk) 14:42, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Requested quotation from "Словарь тюркизмов в русском языке"

Aram van requested the quotation from "Е.Н. Шипова. Словарь тюркизмов в русском языке. Алма-Ата, "Наука" КазССР. 1976. Ответственный редактор академик А.Н. Кононов. стр. 218"

It is here: лаваш, м. пресный пшеничный хлеб в виде тонких больших лепёшек (у татар, грузин и др.); лавашное тесто. Сл. Акад., 1915 лаваш; каше,лаваш (Сл. Акад., 1957, 6, 12). Радлов лаваш (тур., чаг., аз.) 1. тонкое пирожное из пшеницы; 2. (аз.) круглый тонкий хлеб вроде блинов,лепёшка, служащая также вместо скатерти; лаюаш (крым., тат.) род пирожного (3, 741). Ср. севр. аз. лаваш хлеб из тонко раскатанного теста,иногда в виде лепёшек разной величины (Аз.-рус. сл., 1941, 191). --Quantum666 (talk) 19:00, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

The word is listed in "Словарь тюркизмов в русском языке" (Dictionary of Turkic words in Russian language) so I see no reason to put the absurd quotation request. --Quantum666 (talk) 09:21, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

How should I know is the word lavash really listed in "Словарь тюркизмов в русском языке" (Dictionary of Turkic words in Russian language)? AV--Aram-van (talk) 11:31, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

See WP:VERIFY. --Quantum666 (talk) 13:01, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Armenian Source

Now an Armenian source is listing "lavaş" as of Persian origin, from the word "lāvuk" (kneading bucket)...

Now where are going? Can we stop all that nationalist absurdity? This is BREAD!Below are sources that say that Lavash is Persian and Armenian was pieces of Persia culture. Over two thousand years ago, the Achaemenid soldier in the war with Greece and the Greeks, on the shield of war, would make bread .And we see that the Armenian government with less than 25 years of independence, is looking for its identity, even with distorted history. However, the Armenian nation with nation is the greatest friendship and cultural proximity.--Emir Ali Enç (talk) 17:41, 23 March 2011 (UTC) , would make lavash — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.236.160.200 (talk) 18:23, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Lavash origin

There are anecdotal evidences proving lavash of Armenian origin. Therefore it is not correct to mention it as of Armenian origin. I changed it to Middle East. Another fact was added to wiki, UNESCO did not publish on its official webpage lavash as of Armenian origin. This fact also questions statement that lavash is armenian food. Please do not remove the amendments I did, since they shed light on origin of lavash. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fmelikov (talk • contribs) 19:24, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Those "anecdotal evidences" are published books which describe lavash is of Armenian origin. Regarding UNESCO, the organization has a list called the "Representative List of the Intangible Cultural Heritage of Humanity" and they have recently included Lavash and its preparation traditions to that list. You can see it online here: http://www.unesco.org/culture/ich/index.php?lg=en&pg=00011&RL=00985 Their website states that "Lavash is a traditional thin bread that forms an integral part of Armenian cuisine." The sentence that you added to the intro ("At the same time in spite of initial request by Armenia, UNESCO did not publish on its webpage lavash as of Armenian origin.") is WP:ORIGINALRESEARCH, because again, it's not their job to say where lavash was originated. They simply document intangible cultural heritage around the world and their statement says exactly what it says, you are not to comment on it the way you desire.

Also, you twice add countries to its place of origin ("Middle East - Turkey, Armenia, Azerbaijan region") which is simply not true. Just because lavash is popular in Turkey or Azerbaijan doesn't mean it was originated there. The intro already says that. --Երևանցի 22:57, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Yerevantsi,

This is a fact that UNESCO declined armenian request to publish lavash as armenian national bread. This fact must be included on this page. Secondly, there are other resources proving that lavash is Turkish bread and was borrowed by armenians along with other many dishes. This is not armenopedia this is wikipedia, therefore all view points should be taken into consideration. To respect all sides I am going to revert the origin of lavash to Middle East. Please do not ruin the page.

UNESCO on lavash

The decision of 9th session of UNESCO Intergovernmental Committee for the Safeguarding of the Intangible Cultural Heritage.

The Armenian provocation to present lavash as armenian national bread was prevented. Thus, the name of the UNESCO file was changed in accordance with the requirements of the UNESCO Convention revealing that lavash doesn’t belong to the Armenian nation, it only exists in Armenia too. According to the outcomes of the discussions held in the Committee, this attempt of Armenia is unacceptable and preparation of any food in Armenia doesn’t mean that it belongs to the Armenian nation.

The Committee’s accepting lavash as a bread existing in Armenia instead of belonging to the Armenian nation reconfirmed that Azerbaijanis lived in the territory of Armenia and Armenians learned these traditions from them.

post scriptum. I believe UNESCO it is the most valuable source on this matter contrary to sources on this page stating that lavash is armenian bread. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.132.14.85 (talk) 03:07, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

After the protest made by Azerbaijani and Turkish sites, the initial UNESCO statement "Lavash, the preparation, meaning and appearance of TRADITIONAL ARMENIAN BREAD (!) as an expression of culture" was changed to "Lavash, the preparation, meaning and appearance of traditional bread as an expression of culture IN ARMENIA". UNESCO rejected Armenia's appeal to present lavash as bread of armenian origin. In my opinion UNESCO is quiet reputable organization and makes its statements based on reliable sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fmelikov (talk • contribs) 17:49, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Are you sure about that? Étienne Dolet (talk) 08:23, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Positive, just search the web. I guess you know that anyway. Even some Russian sources laugh about this - due to absence of tangible heritage items, baking of lavash was proposed as a piece of intangible one, for example the countries like USA and Russia so far did not suggest any intangible items to include in UNESCO list. --Fmelikov (talk) 07:35, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

I'm not seeing anything that trumps the 4 sources stating Lavash is of Armenian origin. --Kansas Bear (talk) 03:48, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

There are other sources I published, which prove it is being of Middle East origin, you just continuously revert the edit.--Fmelikov (talk) 07:35, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Origin of The Word Iavash.

According to armenian linguists, Yervand Sevortyan and others the word lavash is made up of two turkic words: "lay" which means "layer" and "ash" which means food. For references see: 1. Этимологический словарь тюркских языков, Том 6, Эрванд Владимирович Севортян, ‎Анна Владимировна Дыбо, ‎Институт языкознания (Российская академия наук) - 2003; Etymological dictionary of Turkic languages, Volume 6, Ervand V. Sevortyan, Anna Vladimirovna Dybo, Institute of Linguistics (Russian Academy of Sciences) - 2003 2. Armenian Soviet Encyclopedia

I believe the reputation of Yervand Sevortyan is stronger, than mentioned Hrach Martirosyan, just search the web to compare.

What is the point to hide from the public the real origin of the word lavash!?--Fmelikov (talk) 07:25, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

That statement comes from an azeri website, which are known for lying to belittle Armenia and Armenians. Your sources do not mention anything similar to that statement. And the Armenian Soviet Encyclopedia makes no mention of such a statement as well. Tell me which page and volume of the Armenian Soviet encyclopedia does he supposedly make that claim? Also which page of the Etymological dictionary of Turkic languages does he make that statement? Is this like the Zori Balayan book where azeris invented a book to back up there claims except these books exist but those statements dont?

According to azeri linguists the word lavash is of Armenian origin.

For reference see:

1.) azerbaijani soviet encyclopedia Ninetoyadome (talk) 08:41, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Dear Ninetoyadome, Kansas Bear, Étienne Dolet, Squinge ,Yerevantsi

For reference proving turkic origin of the word lavash please see the link at the section Turkic etimology from the "Etymologic dictionary of Turkic languages" (Moscow, 2003)

I believe, you would not doubt the scientific work of the famous armenian scholar, Yervand Sevortyan published in well reputable Russian source.

Please do not revert my edit, which gives another opinion on origin of the word lavash!. --Fmelikov (talk) 09:35, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

No one is hiding anything. We go by what the sources say. Although there may be disagreements as to when and how the word "Lavash" came about, there's certainly an overwhelming amount of sources that state it was originated by Armenians or in Armenia. Étienne Dolet (talk) 11:39, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Again, tell me what page of the Etymological dictionary of Turkic languages volume 6 he said that and what page and volume of the Armenian Soviet Encyclopedia those statements are stated. You being unable to state these simple things proves that statement does not exist and is made up by the azeris. Also you have been banned from editing the Lavash page so stop. Ninetoyadome (talk) 18:17, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

There has been a consensus already that this food is of Armenian origin. Why are there tags being added constantly to this article? Please see what the points me and Ninetoyadome (talk · contribs) have made about sources. Étienne Dolet (talk) 18:44, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

The only source used here that mentions it explicitly being of Armenian origin is the American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language - adding balance to the discussion is necessary. --92slim (talk) 23:46, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Esc2003 (talk · contribs) has added that it is of Iranian origin without discussion. But this is entirely undue considering that UNESCO, American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, and many other RS sources that state that it's specifically Armenian. I shall remove the Iranian origin part due to that reason. Let me know if there are any objections. Étienne Dolet (talk) 01:14, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

If that is the case, then I would have no objections. I have just checked the information available on the American Heritage Dictionary, and it mentions an editor named Calvert Watkins as contributing his expertise on Indo-European languages to the first edition of the dictionary. Apparently the dictionary is famed for the inclusion of Indo-European etymologies, so I'd like to note that this source definitely has weight. It would be useful to add the Unesco reference too, if possible. --92slim (talk) 02:17, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Ethnic Regional Foodways United States: Performance of Group Identity mentions lavash in one sentence and never again, which means it's only a Misplaced Pages:Trivial mentions (The general notability guideline arguably states that sources that only mention a topic in "one sentence" are insufficient to establish that topic's notability, and clearly states that "trivial mentions" of a topic are insufficient). Considering this was the only basis of Iranian origin which is completely UNDUE, I removed it. --Steverci (talk) 18:20, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

1. http://www.nisanyansozluk.com/search.asp?w=Lava%FE&x=0&y=0

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