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{{talkquote|Emerson has been criticized for some of his views, characterizing him as a discredited terrorism expert and an Islamophobe in ''The Cambridge Companion to American Islam'',<ref name=CambridgeCompanion>{{cite book|author1=Hammer, Julie|author2=Safi, Amid|title=The Cambridge Companion to American Islam|date=2013|publisher=Cambridge University Press|isbn=9781107002418|page=8|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=OBPKKFUyZaUC&pg=PA8&lpg=PA8#v=onepage&q&f=false|accessdate=22 January 2015|quote=Islamophobe Steven Emerson (the discredited "terrorism expert" who falsely identified Muslims as being behind the Oklahoma city bombings committed by Timothy McVeigh)}}</ref> while ], the Kenan Distinguished Professor of ] at the Department of Religious Studies at the ], described him as a prominent producer of Islamophobic discourse.<ref name=Palgrave.Macmillan>{{cite book|last1=Ernst|first1=Carl W.|title=Islamophobia in America: The Anatomy of Intolerance|date=2013|publisher=Palgrave Macmillan|isbn=9781137290083|page=86|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=K-0VFNIfZyIC&pg=PT86#v=onepage&q&f=false|quote=Robert Spencer, Daniel Pipes, New Ginrich, Steven Emerson, Glenn Beck, Frank Gaffney&nbsp;— many of the most prominent producers of Islamophobic discourse }}</ref> Emerson responded to these and similar characterizations<ref name=WaPo.FoxNews>{{cite web|title=9 questions about Birmingham that Fox News was too embarrassed to ask|url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2015/01/12/9-questions-about-birmingham-that-fox-news-was-too-embarrassed-to-ask/|publisher=Washington Post|accessdate=22 January 2015|quote=Emerson has been accused of Islamophobia in the past.}}</ref><ref>{{cite book|last1=Hafez|first1=Kai|title=Islam in Liberal Europe: Freedom, Equality, and Intolerance|date=2014|publisher=]|isbn=9781442229525|page=288|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=wSXbAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA288|accessdate=23 January 2015|quote=This is not different among Islamophobic opinion leaders in the United States such as Steven Emerson or Daniel Pipes, whose notions of Islamic jihadism as the new communism, and so on, have gained wide currency.}}</ref><ref name="law as movement">{{cite journal|last=Yazdiha|first=Haj|date=2014|title=Law as movement strategy: How the Islamophobia movement institutionalizes fear through legislation|journal=]|volume=13|issue=2|publisher=]|format=PDF|doi= 10.1080/14742837.2013.807730|accessdate= 23 January 2015|quote="funding flows to the Islamophobia movement's 'misinformation experts' including...Steven Emerson of the Investigative Project on Terrorism|url=http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/14742837.2013.807730}}</ref> in an op-ed for ''Fox News'', stating that criticism of Islam labeled as Islamphophia, and the labeling of "Islamic terrorism" as a racist generalization of Muslims, is "one of the biggest and most dangerous national security frauds of the past 30 years."<ref>{{cite web|last1=Emerson|first1=Steven|title=Will we ever learn? Obama White House can't admit Paris attacks 'Islamic terrorism'|url=http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/01/07/will-ever-learn-obama-white-house-cant-admit-paris-attacks-islamic-terrorism/|publisher=Fox News|accessdate=5 March 2015}}</ref>}} {{talkquote|Emerson has been criticized for some of his views, characterizing him as a discredited terrorism expert and an Islamophobe in ''The Cambridge Companion to American Islam'',<ref name=CambridgeCompanion>{{cite book|author1=Hammer, Julie|author2=Safi, Amid|title=The Cambridge Companion to American Islam|date=2013|publisher=Cambridge University Press|isbn=9781107002418|page=8|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=OBPKKFUyZaUC&pg=PA8&lpg=PA8#v=onepage&q&f=false|accessdate=22 January 2015|quote=Islamophobe Steven Emerson (the discredited "terrorism expert" who falsely identified Muslims as being behind the Oklahoma city bombings committed by Timothy McVeigh)}}</ref> while ], the Kenan Distinguished Professor of ] at the Department of Religious Studies at the ], described him as a prominent producer of Islamophobic discourse.<ref name=Palgrave.Macmillan>{{cite book|last1=Ernst|first1=Carl W.|title=Islamophobia in America: The Anatomy of Intolerance|date=2013|publisher=Palgrave Macmillan|isbn=9781137290083|page=86|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=K-0VFNIfZyIC&pg=PT86#v=onepage&q&f=false|quote=Robert Spencer, Daniel Pipes, New Ginrich, Steven Emerson, Glenn Beck, Frank Gaffney&nbsp;— many of the most prominent producers of Islamophobic discourse }}</ref> Emerson responded to these and similar characterizations<ref name=WaPo.FoxNews>{{cite web|title=9 questions about Birmingham that Fox News was too embarrassed to ask|url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2015/01/12/9-questions-about-birmingham-that-fox-news-was-too-embarrassed-to-ask/|publisher=Washington Post|accessdate=22 January 2015|quote=Emerson has been accused of Islamophobia in the past.}}</ref><ref>{{cite book|last1=Hafez|first1=Kai|title=Islam in Liberal Europe: Freedom, Equality, and Intolerance|date=2014|publisher=]|isbn=9781442229525|page=288|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=wSXbAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA288|accessdate=23 January 2015|quote=This is not different among Islamophobic opinion leaders in the United States such as Steven Emerson or Daniel Pipes, whose notions of Islamic jihadism as the new communism, and so on, have gained wide currency.}}</ref><ref name="law as movement">{{cite journal|last=Yazdiha|first=Haj|date=2014|title=Law as movement strategy: How the Islamophobia movement institutionalizes fear through legislation|journal=]|volume=13|issue=2|publisher=]|format=PDF|doi= 10.1080/14742837.2013.807730|accessdate= 23 January 2015|quote="funding flows to the Islamophobia movement's 'misinformation experts' including...Steven Emerson of the Investigative Project on Terrorism|url=http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/14742837.2013.807730}}</ref> in an op-ed for ''Fox News'', stating that criticism of Islam labeled as Islamphophia, and the labeling of "Islamic terrorism" as a racist generalization of Muslims, is "one of the biggest and most dangerous national security frauds of the past 30 years."<ref>{{cite web|last1=Emerson|first1=Steven|title=Will we ever learn? Obama White House can't admit Paris attacks 'Islamic terrorism'|url=http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/01/07/will-ever-learn-obama-white-house-cant-admit-paris-attacks-islamic-terrorism/|publisher=Fox News|accessdate=5 March 2015}}</ref>}}
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These term is not well recognized or widely used. It has not gained the traction some have desired. It seems to be fan cruft of a term. 172.56.11.229 (talk)

Edit on African Immigration To the United States

I deleted the photo because it depicts a person of European descent as an African immigrant which is ridiculous. That person is genetically 100% European and is not viewed as or treated as an African in the United States or any other country.

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What do you think about adding Josh Clark (host) to the AfD for Chuck Bryant? His cohost doesn't appear any more notable than he. —C.Fred (talk) 18:34, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

For that you will need a separate AFD. - Cwobeel (talk) 18:39, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

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Hi! I just saw your reply to my topic on the Pregnancy from Rape talk page. I was concerned if I wasn't respecting the Misplaced Pages Pillars or not following correct protocol. If I was wrong, would be please be able to assist me? Thanks! 24.114.38.111 (talk) 23:38, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

No problems. Maybe register an account to get started? It will make it easier. - Cwobeel (talk) 23:41, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks! That is such a relief! I'll definitely look into creating an account. Thanks again! 24.114.38.111 (talk) 23:42, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
This seems to have been resolved, so I've replaced {{helpme}} with {{help me-helped}}; besides, it was a request to a specific editor, so {{helpme}} wasn't really needed anyway. If you disagree, you're welcome to reopen the request. ekips39 (talk) 23:59, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

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Why use a needlessly-long title for Attorney General nominee?

In the article on Loretta Lynch, President Obama's nominee for U.S. Attorney General, you spell out the entire name of the country. As there is a link for Lynch's prospective title earlier in that same opening paragraph, it seems a little silly to me. I shortened it simply to "Attorney General," since it is clear in context which A.G. post (not for a state, or some other country) is under discussion. You undid my change and restored the full title AND the full name of the U.S.A. Why?

Why? Because our readers are not just in the US. We have a global audience, and unless you clearly describe it as Attorney General of the United States, it will not be clear. - Cwobeel (talk) 19:46, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

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I didn't mean to edit war you there, I didn't see that you had replaced it, I thought I had just neglected to move it correctly. We can discuss further on article talk. Gaijin42 (talk) 14:56, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

No problems. I think that passage is highly relevant for the lede. - Cwobeel (talk) 15:54, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
We are both at/over 3rr I believe. I'm willing to keep going forward collaboratively, but we should probably start moving more to talk page to avoid getting into trouble. (Note, this is not a threat, I have no intent of taking you to 3rr over this stuff) Gaijin42 (talk) 22:54, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
You are right we should stop and collaborate. Thanks for the reminder. - Cwobeel (talk) 00:00, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Robbery in Michael Brown Case

The use of the word "allegedly" is justified, as Brown was never convicted of the convenience store robbery. Whatever 'consensus' drew the conclusion that he was the perpetrator is irrelevant, and to suggest otherwise is journalistically unsound. JoyGrenade (talk) 19:59, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

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Please copy my appeal to the arbitration enforcement noticeboard or administrators' noticeboard. There is no BLP violation here, see discussion in which consensus was achieved at Misplaced Pages:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Steven_Emerson_-_Part_3. Also note the edit by Binksternet ( restoring my edit with an edit summary of Revert... this is not BLP-violating material. So, this is not a BLP violation; more likely it is an attempt by ChrisGualtieri with which I have had a series of content disputes to get the upper hand on this content dispute. Note that I started the BLP/N thread, to gauge consensus which was achieved. The only person opposing the proposal to include was ChrisGualtieri. - Cwobeel (talk) 14:53, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

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For the benefit of HJ Mitchell regarding this block, there is no BLP violation as discussed in BLP/N, given that the sources are reliable and unimpeachable, see below. The claims made by ChrisGualtieri are false and misleading. Filing an AE report is a serious matter, but he chose to mislead by omitting information, as a way to have the uper hand in a content dispute (this is not the first time). - Cwobeel (talk) 15:03, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Emerson has been criticized for some of his views, characterizing him as a discredited terrorism expert and an Islamophobe in The Cambridge Companion to American Islam, while Carl Enrst, the Kenan Distinguished Professor of Islamic studies at the Department of Religious Studies at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, described him as a prominent producer of Islamophobic discourse. Emerson responded to these and similar characterizations in an op-ed for Fox News, stating that criticism of Islam labeled as Islamphophia, and the labeling of "Islamic terrorism" as a racist generalization of Muslims, is "one of the biggest and most dangerous national security frauds of the past 30 years."

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The supposed BLP-violating material is instead very well-sourced negative criticism from scholarly sources. I don't think we should rewrite policy to remove the ability from Misplaced Pages users to tell the reader that scholars have said negative things about Steven Emerson. The scholars are German media expert Kai Hafez, distinguished American theologian Carl Enrst, and the editorial board of the book The Cambridge Companion to American Islam, which is American theologian Juliane Hammer and Islamic studies professor Omid Safi of Duke University. Scholars are our highest sources, so this negative material is of the highest quality. Binksternet (talk) 15:33, 7 March 2015 (UTC)
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