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changing user name

hi - thanks for the tip - i had no idea - i chose it when i wrote an article on that company for uni and then just kept using it - that's what you get for doing stupid plays on words - i've put in a request to just change it to my name Bella.me.organic (talk) 03:05, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

great :) seems like you are knowledgeable about organic stuff - looking forward to seeing you around. Jytdog (talk) 03:06, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Somatics peer-review invitation

I recently rewrote the Somatics article, which used to be narrowly focused on an alt-med therapeutic technique but now has a much broader scope. You seem to be an expert on the application of MEDRS, so I wanted to invite you to give it a look and see what needs fixing. FourViolas (talk) 14:02, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

thanks for asking! I will have a look. Jytdog (talk)

Censorship on GMO Controversies TALK page

I don't think it is right for you to censor my comments ( hereand here) on the talk page about a real problem with the article. It only adds to the NPOV problem by silencing reasonable dissent. I received your comment about why you think such censorship was justified on my talk page here. You say this comment is about "editors" not content. My comment is about content, about how the content is slanted because of editor behavior, as exhibited by your response to my pointing out that fact by censoring it! If there is any place to talk about the problem that pervades the slanted editing of the page by a number of editors who all share the same slanted POV, I would think it would be talk page of the article, not having to go to every single editor of the article past and future to talk about that behavior--which I am sure you would accuse me of canvassing about as well anyway as you suggested you would do here. This authoritarian kind of silencing of dissent and speaking about the very real problem on of the GMO articles seems very un-Wikipedian.David Tornheim (talk) 19:55, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

I cited WP:NPA and WP:TPG with regard to removing your comments. You don't mention either of those in your response. I suggest you base your discussion on policy and guidelines; they are what govern Misplaced Pages.

With regard to your concerns about content: it is one thing to say on an article Talk page: "The article doesn't cite Source A and it I believe it should because policy blah says blahblah" vs "The editors working on this article are biased and censoring content" The first is completely fine article Talk page discussion; the second is completely not fine.

with regard to your concerns about behavior, this is the last time I will say this. Please bring up the issues you have politely with the editors with whom you have a concern, on their Talk page. If you do not see a change in behavior, bring it to the notice board relevant to the policy you believe is being violated. That's how it works here. here

Finally, you have canvassed in that you went to several other editors - ones whom you thought would be sympathetic - to discuss your concerns about article content and the behavior of yet other editors. You were doing very straight up "community organizing" which is absolutely not allowed in WP. here. That is different from actually raising a concern about specific behavior, with the editor whose behavior you are concerned about. Very different. Jytdog (talk) 20:32, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

FYI, I mentioned the censorship issue here. I explained there why there was no "personal attack". David Tornheim (talk) 11:37, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

I have read that, and the discussion at Dielectric's Talk page too. Everyone is telling you the same thing, and you are not listening. It is sad to see. Jytdog (talk) 13:46, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

Re:COI

Hello Jytdog - Just wanted you to know that I responded to you on Jim Webb's talk page. (Webbfooter (talk) 06:56, 1 March 2015 (UTC))

Hi Jytdog - I responded to your comments on my talk page and the COI noticeboard re the Ontario Ombudsman issues. Thanks so much for the advice and assistance. Eljaydubya (talk) 16:21, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

thanks, both of you, I have responded in each place. Jytdog (talk) 16:35, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Napoleon says

"N'interrompez jamais un ennemi qui est en train de faire une erreur." Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 01:42, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

:) but i am no such great general. i do hear you. Jytdog (talk) 01:43, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

/* Ontario Ombudsman/Andre Marin/David Paciocco */ COI

I was fine with where everything was, including the note you left with FriendlyBillingsgate, until I read InedibleHulk's latest accusation on the COI Notice Board. There is absolutely no logic that finds FriendlyBillingsgate's message of COI concern as a personal Attack, but nothing that 'Hulk has said, including this latest. You really have to be kidding. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thissilladia (talk • contribs) 02:46, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

please let it go. big side show. Jytdog (talk) 02:59, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

ok Thissilladia (talk) 03:01, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi Jytdog, I placed this on the Marin talk page last night, in regards to asking for source submissions:

Are you referring to sources not in the article as it currently appears? (ie: stub), or do you mean before it was stubbed. Do you need me to resubmit the articles I had used in the controversies section? Thissilladia (talk) 05:30, 6 March 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thissilladia (talk • contribs)

no. and i just answered on the talk page. thanks for following up. i plan on working on this over the weekend. Jytdog (talk) 17:27, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

H Jytdog, I just rad the note that said you were handing over guidance of the Andre Marin and the Ontario Ombudsman pages to another editor. You had said in another note that you would stay on and ensure balance and I think you have done a very good job of diffusing the situation. The language of the new editor (on the Marin Talk page)who has taken over from you does not inspire confidence in achieving balance. She has made it quite clear that she has no knowledge of the twitter/controversies surrounding Marin, their weight nor is she interested; she has only made light of these: "Marin is outside my house right now tweeting" etc. Is it possible for you to stay on until they achieve some measure of stability? It now feels like the whole thing is just going to start all over again. Thissilladia (talk) 17:24, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

COI

Wow indeed. Capitalismojo (talk) 04:14, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

copyedit

Thanks for catching my incredibly sloppy typing too late in the night on National Practitioner Data Bank; I rewrote it. DGG ( talk ) 04:40, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

my pleasure! Jytdog (talk) 04:41, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

I knew I should have clarified better

(Taking this here because it's starting to veer off topic for the AfD.)

Thing is, I (A) wasn't sure whether genital mutilation qualified as gendered violence (and was using the other article as a reference - my faulty assumption was that you took it down because you thought it didn't), and (B) had somehow mixed up castration (which is generally voluntary) with circumcision (which usually isn't). In retrospect, both were rather ridiculous errors - I should probably stop with the late-night editing. Again, sorry for the trouble. Cheers, Random 07:16, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

It's OK. You've been quite decent about apologizing/explaining - thanks for that. Thinking about the motivations of other editors is never a good idea; things go better when we all focus on content/sources (what is actually written) as much as possible, and only start to think about behavior (not motivation) of other editors - what they write, where they write, how they use "undo (concrete, verifiable behaviors) if behavior is problematic. Try to stay concrete. Good luck. Jytdog (talk) 12:49, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Fair enough, and thanks. In any case, I agree with you about the gender parity thing (I even pointed it out myself earlier), though still not that that warrants article deletion. But hey, to each their own, and if it's kept, I'd definitely support some form of protection - until 8chan leaves this place alone, at the very least. Random 13:39, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Violence against men (4th nomination) Question on process

Hello Jytdog, I am rather new to wikipedia editing, you seem experienced, so I have a question to you. Would it be possible to limit editing rights on the violence against men article? I absolutly see your point that it attracts a lot of rubbish. But I do think that it is relevant and a good article could be written. So would it be possible that a few people, who show the goodwill to do this properly, create a good article and afterwards it is blocked from further editing? Kind Regards, Lucentcalendar (talk) 08:36, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

There are very levels of page protection - broadly: anybody; registered users only; auto-confirmed only: reviewers only ("pending changes"), administrators only. The policy I just linked to there explains them and how they are used. There is a very strong emphasis in the policy to toward keeping articles as unprotected as possible, per our mission to be an encyclopedia that anyone can edit. There needs to be a demonstrated history of abuse on the article to protect it. I imagine this article would get some level of protection eventually. Jytdog (talk) 12:45, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your anwer, I think this level "Pending changes protection" would look like the right thing. I will suggest that on the comment page of the article.Lucentcalendar (talk) 13:14, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

it can't be imposed until there is a demonstrated problem... you are free to try, of course. Jytdog (talk) 13:15, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Try is the best one can do ;-), I am really frustrated about all these articles around gender topics. My personal believe is that it would be possible to create, short, concise, and non-controversial articles. However, as long as both male and female related articles are nothing but a collage of hatred one group supposedly shows towards the other, we are going nowhere. But again, who am I to judge, I can only try.Lucentcalendar (talk) 13:41, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

edit war warning

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Genetic engineering. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Please be particularly aware that Misplaced Pages's policy on edit warring states:

1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made.
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

In particular, editors should be aware of the three-revert rule, which says that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. While edit warring on Misplaced Pages is not acceptable in any amount and can lead to a block, breaking the three-revert rule is very likely to lead to a block. If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. David Tornheim (talk) 19:31, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Copyvio

In these edits you removed content as a copyvio

It is actually liveleaks.com that copied from use. We had the content first per . Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:50, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Oh thanks for telling me!! I will-self revert. Jytdog (talk) 19:56, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

There of course might be other reasons to remove it. DeDe4Truth does not really get how thing work. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 20:07, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

that is clear! i don't like to make invalid edits though... am not done working that over and will re-look at that and other content. thanks again! Jytdog (talk) 20:08, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Logging

Don't forget the log the DS sanction notifications. Guettarda (talk) 16:59, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Guettarda (pinging, as i don't know if you are watching) - Thank you! Template:Ds/alert says that the alerts are automatically logged, and that is what i assumed happened.... is that wrong? Happy to do whatever is appropriate. Thanks again Jytdog (talk) 17:06, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

You're right, I was out of date. My first reaction to your notification was "surely he was notified before", and I checked the log on the AC page, and found none, but didn't see your notification either. Had I paid attention, I would have noticed that the log ended in 2014 (probably with the implementation of the new DS system). Guettarda (talk) 18:47, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying. I am only starting to learn about the complexities of arbcom/DS (I always have just stayed as far away from all that as i could) and appreciate your intention to help me do things right. Jytdog (talk) 18:51, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Talkback

Rahat (Message) 17:51, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Nuklear

I was wandering how do you know this is Nuklear , and why these synthesis-adding edits are disruptive? Materialscientist (talk) 12:23, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

just left a message on your talk page! :) Jytdog (talk) 12:24, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes it is Nuklear. This user has been attempting to add copyrighted information for a long time. His socks pop up on our copy and paste detection system fairly frequently. Always the same. Synthesize information from some 1970s textbook. Sigh Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 20:01, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

thanks! he was on a roll today. Jytdog (talk) 20:02, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

He's back today on at least two IPs. LeadSongDog come howl! 17:44, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

can you point me? i caught a bunch this AM. thanks! 17:54, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

See contributions contributions. LeadSongDog come howl! 18:31, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

thanks! Jytdog (talk) 18:52, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Stop the mean edits!!! --207.241.247.150 (talk)

Jytdog, you are clearly making edits that break WP:NPOV.--207.241.247.150 (talk) 20:13, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Please keep the discussion on the Naturopathy talk page. Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 20:19, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for your efforts restoring the copyvio tags. In the future, I'll use it instead of speedy delete when I have any doubt that not all the article is copyvio. 67.131.235.220 (talk) 01:12, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

RfC on exception to OUTING policy for editors advertising Misplaced Pages editing services for pay

Speaking purely as an editor, not with any hats,, I think that anything relating to outing needs to be publicised at the WP:Village pump (policy) and WP:CENT. I see that the policy has already been changed with comparatively little input at an earlier RfC. Because of my hats, I'm not doing this myself. Dougweller (talk) 16:14, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you! Will do that now. Really thanks. Jytdog (talk) 16:51, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Username change requested

Sorry about the name violation...not intentional at all! I set up the new user name Mustangsdtpa, but how do I delete this user name? --Playbookpr (talk) 19:43, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

When the request is processed, the name will be changed, so the old name will be gone.

WP:UNDUE actually applies to your revert, not my contribution

The idea that the DSM-5 is an authoritative source for information regarding the etiology of dementia is a minority opinion and the sources I cited were in fact mainstream. The NIMH is certainly representative of mainstream opinion and not of a minority, let alone a "very tiny minority", as is necessary to satisfy requirement for something to be a violation of WP:UNDUE.

Please do not revert it again. It is a sourced contribution. If you don't like it, try improving it instead of erasing it. Misplaced Pages is about contributions, not destruction. 24.236.138.19 (talk) 21:21, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Please discuss on the article Talk page, thanks. Jytdog (talk) 22:20, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Threatening new users on GMO articles who try to create balance

You are continuing to threaten new users who try to balance the GMO articles. This is a problem which I explained to you before and needs to stop. It has a similar affect as the canvassing you accused me of. Please work constructively to find consensus ON THE TALK PAGE of the article rather than threaten them with allegations of "edit warring", etc. This is the latest incident. David Tornheim (talk) 23:02, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

I disagree, that this was in any way out of line. I invite you to bring me to ANI over this. Jytdog (talk) 23:04, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussion

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Misplaced Pages's policy on edit warring. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spearmind (talk • contribs) 19:27, 9 March 2015‎

Trigger happy with edit war notices?

I am surprised how quick you are to issue edit war notices , on an edit which directly addressed the question raised by another editor. Edit wars are usually characterised as removals and reversions, not the simple addition of a reference! Cpsoper (talk) 20:33, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

the point of the edit war notice, is to prevent edit wars from continuing to the point where editors get into blockable territory, and urge editors to discuss things on the article Talk page. That is all they are. I am glad you did so! and by the way, it is "BRD", not "BRD+EW"; opening a discussion is not license to edit war the content back in Jytdog (talk) 20:50, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, however there has been discussion, you had not replied, and another editor was engaged, and then BANG an edit war note for adding in greatly revised and shortened material - doesn't it seem just a little precipitous in retrospect? Nevertheless, I appreciate it would be better to gain more consensus before adding in more material, will observe this and I've added an rfc. Best wishes. Cpsoper (talk) 21:46, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

March 2015

Hi, I wondered what you were doing here. You should definitely not archive a discussion you have taken part in. --John (talk) 21:54, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi John (pinging, not sure if you are watching) - if you are telling me to undo that, I will. If you are really asking what I am thinking, I will tell you. The section starts with an action I brought against another editor for his canvassing and personal attacks (1). In his response, the other user makes an argument that my behavior is a problem (2). I responded to that and really set up an RfC/U on myself (since ANI is now the place for that, and the problem editor doesn't know how to use this place) (3). That is three, too-long postings right there. But the table is set. Then Sandy replied to (3) with an off-topic comment in which she attacked a fourth editor, Viriditas, who replied, attacking her back, setting up a subsection to do so. The Sandy-Viriditas interaction is completely off topic.

On top of that, someone actually gave thoughtful replies to (1) and (3), but the response to (3) fell in the subsection set up by Viriditas to reply to Sandy. Again, the whole Sandy-Virtidas thing is off-topic, no one is going to act on that, and messes up an already diffcilt to follow thread. So in a series of steps, I hatted the whole Sandy-Viriditas interaction.

There you go.

But do let me know what you would like me to do - my judgement sometimes sucks. Jytdog (talk) 23:12, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

I would like you to stop commenting on that discussion. You can either be neutral (like a clerk) or you can take part in the discussion. You have clearly taken part in the discussion so if you think any parts of it need hatted or archived you need to ask someone else to do it, not do it yourself. Commenting on the majority of !votes which you disagree with can be off-putting and may be counter-productive. Please stop doing it. --John (talk) 20:25, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. I will stop. Shall I strike? Jytdog (talk) 20:27, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Wiki ed walks into a pub, and says, "What's the difference between hatting and archiving? Also bear in mind that John is WP:INVOLVED with QG, imho, meaning that he shouldn't be ivoting to support a ban as he did. IMHO. -Roxy the dog™ (resonate) 10:05, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	For knowing thyself and knowing when to WP:DISENGAGE and step back. We all need to do it sometimes, but it's a quality few possess. Your voice is very helpful on violence against men if you ever feel like returning, but only you know what is best for yourself. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 04:04, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

dyslexia

thank you for your comment, you are correct--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 17:04, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Naturopathy

Hi Jytdog
Please be advised that when I commented at Talk:Naturopathy#NPOV problem fixed, I have also added 3 indents to your comment to maintain the 'flow' of the discussion with Young Naturopath 01. (Diff here). I have also noted on the page where added. Regards, 220 of 04:09, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

response to Petrarchan at ANI

Response to this question.

Above I mentioned you in the following context: "I've attracted some haters. For the most part these are folks really committed to an anti-GMO POV.".

Diffs supporting that you are a "hater" of me (which I note that you didn't question, so i guess we agree on that), just two difs: most recently (which is really mind-blowing to me in the depth of your conspiratorial thinking about me) and of course your "case study'

Diffs of your opposition to GMOs:

First. We have content throughout WP on scientific consensus, that eating currently approved foods from GM plants is as safe as eating food from conventional sources (which does not say, and never has said, that "GMOs are completely safe and no one worth their salt has any doubt" (as you described it in your "case study" linked above.) You have been fighting against this statement for a long time now, and have characterized that statement as an "ad", and have stated that "You want truth about GMO's (or natural healing, big oil, etc.)? Misplaced Pages is NOT the place to find it". (in the more recent thing I linked to above

in this dif (middle edit) where you summoned groupuscule to a discussion at the March against Monsanto article that you created, calling groupuscule "The editor who knows about this subject" (for readers, groupuscule created a long document deconstructing (and i mean that in the lit crit sense) the content and sources supporting the scientific consensus statement, which was considered and rejected in the RfC that upheld that content and sources on the scientific consensus.

probably the best single dif of your POV is this one, where you make your "GMOs are dangerous" POV clear.

this one too].

there you go Jytdog (talk) 14:24, 14 March 2015 (UTC)