Misplaced Pages

Talk:March 2015 Sanaa mosque bombings: Difference between revisions

Article snapshot taken from Wikipedia with creative commons attribution-sharealike license. Give it a read and then ask your questions in the chat. We can research this topic together.
Browse history interactively← Previous editNext edit →Content deleted Content addedVisualWikitext
Revision as of 08:35, 29 March 2015 editMonochrome Monitor (talk | contribs)Extended confirmed users13,037 editsNo edit summary← Previous edit Revision as of 19:54, 29 March 2015 edit undoStrivingsoul (talk | contribs)Extended confirmed users841 edits →Info removed on charges of undue weight and unreliable sourceNext edit →
Line 23: Line 23:
::::: You are not telling us, @Monochrome Monitor, that we should censor the sources based on your personal preference, are you? ] (]) 05:00, 29 March 2015 (UTC) ::::: You are not telling us, @Monochrome Monitor, that we should censor the sources based on your personal preference, are you? ] (]) 05:00, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
:::::: It's not my personal preference, its wiki policy. Press Tv is a state-run propaganda organ of Iran (which regularly produces racist diatribes against Jews and other minorities I might add), therefore it is not a reliable source. --<small style="font: 13px Courier New>]<big>_</big>]</span></small> 08:34, 29 March 2015 (UTC) :::::: It's not my personal preference, its wiki policy. Press Tv is a state-run propaganda organ of Iran (which regularly produces racist diatribes against Jews and other minorities I might add), therefore it is not a reliable source. --<small style="font: 13px Courier New>]<big>_</big>]</span></small> 08:34, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
::::::: Media are meant to be for propaganda! Don't make any mistake! There's no objective, free media in the entire planet! All media sources are influenced by political or financial interests/prejudices/preferences of the owners. So there's no reason to single out one out of many. But as for ], I think it provides a vital and unique perspective of the events for Islamic Republic of Iran is pretty much the only government in the world that is more or less independent from tyrannical corporate world order -- and that's exactly the reason why it is target of vehement Western/Saudi propaganda which you also seem to be blindly parroting here. Press TV giving voice to critics of Jewish power elite or the Zionist state has nothing to do with racism, unless you believe in Zionist political narrative for which your Zionist cliche claim of "Jews being a minority" is such a dead give-away. True, jews are ''demographically'' a minority but they are virtually ''half of the power structure!'' Read by to know why! But hold your horses! You don't have to remind that the author has been a Klansman three decades ago! ] (]) 19:53, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Revision as of 19:54, 29 March 2015

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the March 2015 Sanaa mosque bombings article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.
Article policies
Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL
This article has not yet been rated on Misplaced Pages's content assessment scale.
It is of interest to the following WikiProjects:
WikiProject iconCrime and Criminal Biography: Terrorism
WikiProject iconThis article is within the scope of WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Crime and Criminal Biography articles on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Crime and Criminal BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject Crime and Criminal BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Crime and Criminal BiographyCrime-related
???This article has not yet received a rating on the project's importance scale.
Taskforce icon
This article is supported by the Terrorism task force (assessed as Low-importance).
Please add the quality rating to the {{WikiProject banner shell}} template instead of this project banner. See WP:PIQA for details.
WikiProject iconYemen Low‑importance
WikiProject iconThis article is within the scope of WikiProject Yemen, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Yemen on Misplaced Pages. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.YemenWikipedia:WikiProject YemenTemplate:WikiProject YemenYemen
LowThis article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
In the newsA news item involving March 2015 Sanaa mosque bombings was featured on Misplaced Pages's Main Page in the In the news section on 21 March 2015.
Misplaced Pages
Misplaced Pages

Info removed on charges of undue weight and unreliable source

An info I had added about a Houthi official's claim of evidence about US involvement in the Sana'a mosque bombing was removed. Reasons cited was giving "undue weight" and using "unreliable source." But I think the charge of undue weight is completely irrelevant and nonsense for how can citing a Houthi official about bombings against Houthi supporters bear undue weight in an article about exactly that incident? Though, as for the charge that the source used was unreliable I'm looking forward to see why Fars News Agency is deemed unreliable. What is certain is that the agency is a respected and popular news source at least in Iran. Strivingsoul (talk) 22:19, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Iran does not have press freedom, and Fars is a government mouthpiece that shouldn't be considered a reliable news source. The contention that the U.S. is somehow in league with al Qaeda is WP:FRINGE and such a claim should absolutely not be presented with such thin sourcing. Furthermore, the addition smacks of WP:COATRACKing, which is discouraged. And beyond that, your edit wasn't even remotely WP:NPOV: "the popular Ansarullah movement"? "Spy agencies"? Please take some time to review Misplaced Pages's policy guidelines, including WP:COI. -Kudzu1 (talk) 22:46, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
"Iran does not have press freedom" According to whom? I'd argue Iran has the most press freedom in the world! That there are a few journalists convicted for breach of law or working for foreign intelligence services every some time does not undermine press freedom.
As for the allegation being "fringe" that's at least a definite indisputable fact that Al-Qaeda has been originally a CIA creation. Even Hilary Clinton, former US Secretary of State has admitted that on record! This has been a subject of controversy among critiques. Also have a look at United States and state-sponsored terrorism. So the idea is not fringe. Plus even if so, the very fact that it's been raised by an official directly affected by and responsible for this case makes it a significant minority POV about this particular case.
As for Houthis being "popular," that's supported by the fact the they literally control half of Yemen and have managed to mobilize massive rallies in the past and present. Example! Strivingsoul (talk) 00:25, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
Yikes. I'm not sure where to start with this, so I'm not going to start at all. Suffice to say you do not have consensus for the paragraph for the reasons I have articulated above, and I suggest you branch out from Iranian media to get your information about the world. -Kudzu1 (talk) 00:42, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
Yikes. I'm pretty sure where you're coming from! Another instance of dodging a reasonable argument by a typical western with the prevalent Eurocentric prejudice! I also advise you to branch out from Corporate media to get your information form the world for they are dominated by a few dozen mega-corporations and their narrow profit interests. An instance of how disastrous that pattern could be for the world was well manifested in the Media coverage of the Iraq War Strivingsoul (talk) 00:53, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
He keeps adding Press TV quotes to the article on Houthis too. I gave up on deleting them. --Monochrome_Monitor 21:46, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
You are not telling us, @Monochrome Monitor, that we should censor the sources based on your personal preference, are you? Strivingsoul (talk) 05:00, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
It's not my personal preference, its wiki policy. Press Tv is a state-run propaganda organ of Iran (which regularly produces racist diatribes against Jews and other minorities I might add), therefore it is not a reliable source. --Monochrome_Monitor 08:34, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
Media are meant to be for propaganda! Don't make any mistake! There's no objective, free media in the entire planet! All media sources are influenced by political or financial interests/prejudices/preferences of the owners. So there's no reason to single out one out of many. But as for Press TV, I think it provides a vital and unique perspective of the events for Islamic Republic of Iran is pretty much the only government in the world that is more or less independent from tyrannical corporate world order -- and that's exactly the reason why it is target of vehement Western/Saudi propaganda which you also seem to be blindly parroting here. Press TV giving voice to critics of Jewish power elite or the Zionist state has nothing to do with racism, unless you believe in Zionist political narrative for which your Zionist cliche claim of "Jews being a minority" is such a dead give-away. True, jews are demographically a minority but they are virtually half of the power structure! Read Jewish Supremacism by David Duke to know why! But hold your horses! You don't have to remind that the author has been a Klansman three decades ago! Strivingsoul (talk) 19:53, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
Categories: