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Thanks for stopping by!

Here in Misplaced Pages, I go by "Winkelvi". I enjoy patrolling the "Recent changes" page, looking for vandalism by IP addresses. As a reviewer, I'm also often reviewing and then either accepting or rejecting pending changes. While I try to be accurate with the reverts I make and the subsequent warnings I leave on talk pages, I am only human and will make mistakes from time to time. If you're here because of an editing issue or a revert I've made to one or more of your edits and you feel I've made an error, please leave me a civil message on my talk page If you want to talk about article edits, it's really best to do so at the article's talk page. If you do so, and your comments regard changes I've made there, please ping me.

When you leave a message on my talk page and a response from me is appropriate, I will reply to you here, not on your talk page. Having half a conversation on a talk page and going back and forth between pages is unnecessarily confusing and a pain in the ass.

If you're here to whine, complain, or express anger, please go elsewhere. Any whining, complaining, angry or trolling posts are subject to immediate deletion. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 18:15, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Difference between categories, sections, and headings

These edit summaries were initially confusing. A section begins with a heading. A subsection begins with a subheading, but calling it a heading will be fully understood. Categories are used to help organize the vast collection of articles in Misplaced Pages and are something else entirely, but are hierarchical, so there is such a thing as a subcategory, but it has very little to do with the content of an article. I usually expect edit summaries that mention "categories" to be for edits that add/remove/change one or more ] links on the page. This is intended as friendly advice to help with future editing; please don't take it wrongly if I've worded it poorly. I'm trying to keep the overall amount of confusion around the Donna Douglas article to a minimum. (I'll watch this page for a while for a reply.) Pathore (talk) 23:39, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Edit summaries are never perfect, they often are confusing - that's why we have diffs to look at what actually happened. I never go solely on an edit summary. That's said, I'll try to be more precise in the areas you've pointed out, but honestly, I'm not going to take great pains to get an edit summary perfect. I figure that as long as someone isn't using an edit summary for the wrong reasons and is at least using the edit summary to begoin with, perfection in edit summary nomenclature is at the bottom of the priority list. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 23:57, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

That's fine. Several of my edit summaries have various errors, including one where I fixed a typo in the article and made a new typo in the edit summary. It's not like Misplaced Pages has a deadline or anything. ☺ Pathore (talk) 00:11, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

One more thing, Pathore: Recognizing that I cleaned up a totally screwed up article would have been a better thing, a nicer thing to come here with before pointing out that you think I made your editing there more difficult. Again, priorities. No matter if I didn't produce edit summaries up to your standards, the article is in much better shape now than it was 24 hours ago because I took the time and effort to get it that way. In my opinion, there's a plethora of negative criticism in Misplaced Pages when there should be a plethora of thanks given to the volunteer editors who make te 'pedia a better online resource. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 00:02, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

No, you didn't make my editing more difficult and thanks for cleaning up the article. I had thought that thanks for your contributions went without saying. I intended for this to be entirely constructive criticism and advice for the future, on an assumption that you may have been unaware of that distinction. I apologize if I have caused offense. Pathore (talk) 00:11, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Only minimally offensive, and not enough for me to want to you think that I'm unhappy with your commets here, Pathore. I think you hit me at a bad moment when I was contemplating how I've never seen another organzation depending on volunteer workers that is in general less appreciative of those volunteers on a day-to-day, and sometimes moment-to-moment basis. So, all that in mind, please don't take my comments personal or to mean that I'm not interested in working with you cooperatively. Like I said: your message came at a bad moment. Thanks, and Happy New Year. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 00:17, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

That's OK. I've had my bad moments too. Happy New Year to you too. Pathore (talk) 00:23, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you so much

You are very kind. --talk→ WPPilot  20:44, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

So are you, WPPilot. Keep moving forward, keep contributing, and try not to look back at bad editor behavior. It will eat you up if you do. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 20:46, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

DONE - thanks again! --talk→ WPPilot  20:49, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

revert

That was an accidental rollback from my watchlist. I've requested rollback removal so I don't misclick again.Cube lurker (talk) 17:53, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 17:57, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

albert jacob page

regarding http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=User_talk:202.89.168.229&redirect=no

what was it I wrote that constituted vandalism? I know this person personally and I did not mean any harm or ill-intent. I wouldnt even dream of writing negativity I only wish this person well. 202.89.168.229 (talk) 17:22, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

IP 202.89.168.229, if you note the comments from me on your talk page, the wording states your edits looked like vandalism, not that they were definitely being classified as vandalism. Taking a look at what you did way back in May, your edits did look suspicious because there were some obvious errors made and not corrected. After making the errors you blanked a section without putting back in what you removed. As well, you did not use the edit summary indicating why you were making the edits you did. Further, when you blanked the section, a warning tag appeared noting "Section blanking". All of that together combined with these edits being done by someone who hasn't created a user account says "possible vandalism" to editors who have been here a while. I hope your edits were truly made in good faith and that you truly didn't mean harm. Coming here and asking what the deal was is a good faith effort on your part and it's appreciated. If you'd like to edit articles in Misplaced Pages in a productive manner, you're welcome to do that. I'd advise creating an account first. If you choose not to do that, please be sure to use edit summaries to explain your edits, that will help other editors to know better your intentions. I will put a welcome message on your talk page that has helpful information and advice about editing Misplaced Pages - please read it for better understanding of how Misplaced Pages works. Good luck! -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 17:45, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi winkelvi

I remeber now that your reminded me. I did delete info and didn't know how to get it back. It was the first time I attempted to edit Misplaced Pages and I bit off more than I could chew. I'm learning now and just made an edit on the VW polo sections his week without breaking anything (I hope) :-). I'll consider an account. 202.89.168.229 (talk) 16:15, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. I hope things go better for you editing-wise and you enjoy what you do here. Take care. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 16:27, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Daniel Bryan edits

The edits made were to highlight the fact that him joining and then leaving the Wyatt Family changed him to villain and hero, respectively. Also, he is a former member of that group. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.33.28.107 (talk) 06:21, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

The edits had no sources to support them, you didn't use the edit summary to explain the edits, they didn't seem encyclopedic in tone, and the wording really didn't make sense. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 06:29, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Canvas warning

Winkelvi, please see Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Canvassing. I have no doubt you will take it in the spirit in which it was given: as a warning, sure, but more as a bit of advice. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 16:23, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

I will. I really didn't believe what I was doing was canvassing. Thanks, -- WV ● ✉ ✓

YGM

I sent you an email when you get a second. -- Calidum 08:23, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

I will have to wait until morning to take a look, but will get back to you. Thanks, -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 08:27, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

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A cupcake for you!

Just sending a bit of Wikilove your way through cupcakes! livelikemusic 20:37, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, livelikemusic, you made my day brighter. Take care,-- WV ● ✉ ✓ 20:40, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

So glad I could do that for you! Keep your head up and keep on keepin' on! (: livelikemusic 20:47, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

I'm sorry about all the crap going on at ANI right now. I'm not completely aware of what's going on at all the articles being discussed, but I know that the Meghan Trainor editors are completely out of line with their harassment, baiting, and bringing up irrelevant personal details. Keep your head up! :)

–Chase (talk / contribs) 14:57, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Very nice of you, Chase. Thanks so much and have a great Sunday! -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 15:59, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) You definitely got too much shit there, Winkelvi. I really hope that doesn't happen again. Snuggums (talk / edits) 05:17, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Snuggums. I appreciate the kindness. And look forward to working with you, as always. :-) -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 05:29, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

From NE Ent

• First of all, EdJohnston made a mistake here in engaging in counting exercises with Winkelvi. WP:3RR is an upper limit, not a good idea (see WP:AVOIDEDITWAR). Winkelvi, you want do no more than one revert on a single topic issue; if it doesn't stick you go to the article talk page, and as soon as that becomes a one on one back and forth you request help from exactly one of the the "Articles and content" boards in the list below.
• Secondly, the number and length of time an editor's name appears on noticeboards is not a reliable metric for disruption; the consensus closing statement, if present, or the actual content of the allegations needs at least be skimmed. NE Ent 14:09, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Noticeboard links, for reference

Dear Winkelvi,

To follow one convention for three item names in a list, and then give an arbitrary name to the fourth, despite it being exactly the same in nature, is not uniformity and convention. It's POV. It's not a question of research, but of having standards and a system. You're supporting the use of one naming system for all previous colonial occupiers, and a separate and special naming system for the current period of occupation by the United States.

Please advise: is it wikipedia convention to name colonial periods for any given territory after the occupying force (e.g., Spanish Colonial Period, German Colonial Period, etc.)? Yes or No. User:42.3.103.126 — Preceding undated comment added 14:24, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages does not have an overall convention on how to name colonial periods. Instead, we use the names that are used by experts in the field. We follow the conventions that are used by Reliable Sources. If people outside of Misplaced Pages call it the Spanish colonial period, so will we. If people outside of Misplaced Pages call it the US Colonial Period, so would we. You may have better luck having this conversation on Talk:Saipan, where more editors interested in the article are likely to see it. Best, meamemg (talk) 16:55, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

IP user 42.3.103.126, what meamemg said. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 02:57, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Requesting your input

I am requesting your input at Max A. George and its talk page, where there has been incivility, personality attacks, and owning of a page by its creator is going on, without any kind of mediation or discussion able to take place, and I feel as if an experienced editor, whom I respect as yourself, to come in and comment. I've attempted to apologise if said-user felt attacked in any way by my actions (which were in good-faith, however, they are not being seen as such. livelikemusic 20:42, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

I will take a look now, livelikemusic. Thanks for your confidence in me. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 22:31, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diplomacy
	Thanks for helping keep Misplaced Pages free of tabloid junk and remaining civil through it all! Keep it up EoRdE6 05:50, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

I like it, thank you, EoRdE6! -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 05:54, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Swanson14

A review (my cursory review) of the infobox edits of Swanson14 shows largely edits on college degrees of famous persons, but never with an explanation. Most (but not all) of (all but the most recent of) those 'edits' were reversed, with explanations for the reversal or correction. I would thank you for doing that. Is a more comprehensive review of Swanson14's edits in order? In my opinion, some of infobox edits were or are defensible, even if they may have been stylistically less preferable to other editors. MaynardClark (talk) 10:37, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Could be they are a special kind of 'vandal', or they could have just been seeing what would happen if they intentionally introduced errors into an article. I would leave it alone for now, keep an eye on whether they continue and then take whatever action reporting-wise as necessary. Thanks for your note, MaynardClark. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 15:29, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Robin Williams Page Correction

You recently removed a correction I made to the Robin Williams page since you thought it did not appear constructive. However, I differ since I think removing false information and replacing it with correct information is not only constructive but mandatory and an obligation!

I thought I would explain in detail here why and how I made the change and perhaps you will see that all I did was make an ACCURATE correction since what was there prior was WRONG.

Namely, the prior page (and I guess the page now that you removed my edit), says that Robin Williams has 5 Grammys. I did not know RW had even *any* Grammys so I then looked up the Misplaced Pages page for Grammy Award for Best Comedy Album and I found the EXACT and presumably accurate and definitive list of Grammy Winners there.

First of all RW had exactly 4 not 5 Grammys and second of all the 1987 listed one (Night at the Met) is the WRONG YEAR since that album won in 1988 not 1987.

SO all I did was to report consistent facts on the RW page as already were approved by Misplaced Pages and appear on the Misplaced Pages approved Grammy Award for Best Comedy Album page.

Considering that I did not insert any of my own OPINIONS but only reported facts which are verified by an APPROVED Misplaced Pages page, I did not see any rationale for using Sandbox and considered a completely valid and authoritative correction to erroneous information (that RW has 5 Grammys one of which is in the wrong year) and replaced it with factually correct information (that RW has 4 Grammys in exactly correct years)

If you agree with this rationale for reinstating my changes (and maybe resorting the entries since the year correction does suggest a resort or replacement in the list) then please let me know on my talk page

Thank you very much for bringing up the point— Preceding unsigned comment added by Dukon (talk • contribs) 22:28, 13 February 2015 Sig added as a courtesy by 220 of 03:22, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

No idea who you are, because you didn't remember to sign you comments with four tildes (~). I reverted your changes because you didn't give any reason for the changes in the edit summary, nor did you add any references to support the changes. It looked like vandalism to me. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 22:28, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Response by Dukon: Thank you very much for responding to my response :) Yes I forgot the Four-Tilde self identification (I asked that question somewhere else after my forgetting it to you. I was reminded by someone somewhere along the line, so now I will certainly use the 4-tilde suffix. Next, to my point about RW and number of Grammys and your first response, and now this your latest response. Thank you for responding again! Ok this time I will identify myself so now you'll know who I am. Next, in the first response above I give you ALL of my reasons and my citations (other Misplaced Pages pages). I hope these satisfy your wishes for me to give a) reasons in the edit summary, and b) references (other Misplaced Pages pages noted above) to support my original changes. Do these now satisfy your wishes? If yes, are you able to retrieve my original modifications and then you re-install them? If yes and you cannot find them saved anywhere, please let me know. If no, please explain why the Grammy list Misplaced Pages page fails as a reference to support the changes. Thank you again for your time giving me feedback. Dukon (talk) 05:30, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Dan Bilzerian

Hi Winkelvi, I'm just curious as to why you interpreted my message to LoverofArt as bickering? The User made a contentious and potentially damaging claim in an edit summary. I also notified Admin Bbb23 about it who not only removed the Talk page posting, but also deleted the Edit summaries . --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 17:55, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Scalhotrod. I didn't mean to seem overly harsh, nor was I trying to butt in, but it really did look like pointless bickering and was really unnecessary on the article's talk page. And now that the comments have been removed, it appears there was more to it than what I knew when I commented. Further evidence, it would seem, that the discussion was inappropriate for the article talk page. No big deal - I wasn't seeing you as a "bad guy". It's all good. :-) -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 18:13, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Ah, no worries. Honestly I'm getting sick of the Bilzerian fans and haters duking it out on his article, but there are far worse things that happen on WP... :) --Scalhotrod (Talk) ☮ღ☺ 18:53, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Re: User:Samsamcat

Much obliged. —ATinySliver/ 11:02, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Leonard Nimoy adds

I made a revision (without having logged in) that added information to the Leonary Nimoy page about popular tributes to the actor, and I see that you took it down because it was "trivial." I'm a PhD student in Folklore, and feel that popular cultural movements are just as significant for demonstrating the impact a particular figure has had on a society as are official statements from well-known individuals. In my mind, the "spocking" of five-dollar bills speaks significantl to the importance of the actor in Western culture, and I'd like to suggest that this piece of information (and its appropriate citation) be kept on the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Azsymkamen (talk • contribs) 16:55, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

It's trivia and doesn't belong in an encyclopedia article. And please sign your posts with four tildes (~). Thanks, -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 16:57, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

What makes it "trivia"? Azsymkamen (talk) 16:58, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Surely you're familiar with what trivial things in the course of someone's life (or happenings after their death) are. You're welcome to bring up your thoughts on this at the article's talk page. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 17:03, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

No, I feel like you didn't address my original statement: that broad, popular phenomena surrounding an individual's death are strong indicators of that person's impact on society. This is just as meaningful as anything Barack Obama or other major figures might say. Azsymkamen (talk) 17:10, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Okay, since you're pressing the issue, here's my straight up answer: it's stupid, trivial garbage that isn't encyclopedic and doesn't belong in the article. And, seriously, if you think it's along the same lines as something a world leader might say, you're delusional. Now, does that sufficiently answer your question? Hope so, because I'm done entertaining you here. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 17:22, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

I have made it a point to be civil, and I get the sense the tone of this discussion has shifted... I am not as experienced a Wikipedian as you, and I genuinely don't know what makes something "trivial." Is there an explication of this label somewhere? Many elements of modern folklore are described on Misplaced Pages, both as their own articles and as points within articles. I don't understand what objective criteria exist that allow you, as apparent arbiter of the article, to decide that this point is "trivial." But certainly other documented phenomena (e.g. memorials following traumatic events, circulation of new phrases derived from a particular event, etc) are treated as significant forms of expression on here. You have not made it clear why this is any different. Azsymkamen (talk) 17:30, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Bobbi Kristina Article Edit

Hi, I see you reverted my edit about the upcoming interview of Nick Gordon as per Misplaced Pages:CRYSTAL. I don't think this is appropriate. WP:Crystal does not state that upcoming events may not be discussed. It states "Misplaced Pages is not a collection of unverifiable speculation"..."Individual scheduled or expected future events should be included only if the event is notable and almost certain to take place." I don't want to get into an edit war with you by re-reverting my work, but it does not violate WP:CRYSTAL. First, the upcoming interview is not unverifiable (I provided a reference), nor is it speculation (the interview has already been filmed, and there are pictures from it online, it just hasn't aired yet). There is absolutely no reason to believe that it will not air. The interview is notable, as it will give Gordon's side of the story of what may very well may end up being the cause of death of Ms. Brown, and again, it will almost without question air.

WP:CRYSTAL does not simply state we cannot discuss things that haven't happened yet. It states that we cannot make predictions about things that cannot be verified. If I stated in an article that the Red Sox will win the next World Series, that would be a violation of WP:CRYSTAL - no-one can know that, so it is pure speculation. Discussing an already filmed interview segment is totally acceptable - Misplaced Pages is not a Crystal Ball, but it does not require one to know that this interview, which has already been filmed, will air.

I am undoing your reversion with respect. I hope this settles the matter. I have no ill will and wish you the best; I hope the matter can be left at this. Cheers. "Yes...It's Raining" 04:47, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

You say you don't want to get into an edit war, yet you are reverting content on something that may or may not air and saying it will is speculatory. Until it does air, it's only speculation that we will ever see it, that makes its existence trivial - to be determined. WP:CRYSTAL does apply and I will remove the content again based on that. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 04:51, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Ayayay. First of all, trivial means "of little or no importance." This interview, the first given by any family member or friend of BKB's since the incident, is hugely important to the story, as it will be the first time she is discussed, to the press, by anyone involved. Secondly, unless someone drops a bomb on CBS headquarters, this show will be airing. They have already recorded and announced it, scheduled it, and there are pictures of the interview (which took place already) on CBS's website. And yes, you are correct - I said I didn't want to go into an edit war, but I didn't say that I was unwilling to do so if necessary. This is so minor, but it's a matter of concern to me that we have such an overzealous editor who seems to understand WP:CRYSTAL so poorly. "Misplaced Pages is not a crystal ball" means "we can't make predictions about what's going to happen." Predictions are guesses. This is not a guess, it's a scheduled television special. You don't need a crystal ball to know this is happening, you need a television set. I won't change the edit back again - but, for the record, I continue to think you're dead wrong, and suggest you reread WP:CRYSTAL - in particular, read point 1, which makes it very clear that it in no way corresponds to my edit. However, I'm too tired and it's too late for me to do battle. You are incorrect, but you win. Have a nice day. "Yes...It's Raining" 05:17, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Deletion

Hi-I have some concerns about some deletions you are proposing: State and territorial legislators of the United States are considered notable;

• Robert Hastings Hunkins served in the Vermont House of Representatives.
• Benjamin Hunkins served in the Wisconsin Territorial Legislature and the Wisconsin State Assembly.

Both men would be considered notable since they served in their state legislatures. Please make any comments, etc. Thank youRFD (talk) 15:53, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your note, RFD. Here's what I know: The individual who created the articles has been creating articles all over Misplaced Pages with his family members and ancestors as article subjects, practically all of which have no notability whatsoever. A number of editors over time have raised their eyebrows over the articles created by Kbabej (who is indeffed right now and has been using socks since his indef to create more articles that fail WP:GNG, by the way). He carefully puffed up the articles to make the individuals look notable, when in fact, the individuals had little to no notability at all. A careful look at the references he added in these articles show the references to either be bogus or have very little mention of the article subject and no real notability established through those references. Many of the other articles he created which were not about family members and ancestors proved to be more of the same: no real notability, and failing GNG. A perusal on my own of the articles I nominated for deletion didn't seem to meet notability guidelines. If, however, the article subjects prove to meet guidelines after all, fine. They will likely receive support in the "Keep" department. Of course, in the meantime, it would be acceptable for anyone thinking the article should not be deleted to do more research and find content and references that would lend to better establishing notability - if that's possible. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 16:19, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Benjamin Keough

I've checked that you have PRODed this article. There are a few passing mentions in a few reliable sources. How about redirecting the article to Lisa Marie Presley#Personal life ? OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 06:24, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

I think that's a good solution, OccultZone. On its own, the article will unlikely develop into more than what it is now. The notability really isn't there for a stand-alone article. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 06:26, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Redirected for now. Thanks. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 06:35, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

correcting Port Gamble entry

Hi Winkelvi,

I just tried to correct the frequently-cited fallacy that the Battle of Port Gamble's lone Sailor death was the first in the Pacific, and correct the name of the ship's captain to "Swartwout" rather than "Swartout."

J. — Preceding unsigned comment added by J. Overton (talk • contribs) 17:57, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments here, J. Overton. The name is spelled variously as Swartout, Swarthout, and Swartwout in history books. I imagine it's a case of the one was chosen because it was used the most at the time the article was written. In regard to the other issue, you removed content that was supported by references, replacing it with content that was not supported by references. The threshold for inclusion in Misplaced Pages is verifiability. If content is verifiable and referenced by reliable, secondary, and non-biased sources, that's what we strive to include and keep in Misplaced Pages articles. What you did was take out that type of content and added something that appeared to be of your own knowledge (what we call original research). Hope you understand why the content you added was immediately removed. If you are unfamiliar with Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines regarding editing, references, and the like, I recommend you take a look at the various Misplaced Pages articles available to help you better contribute and edit Misplaced Pages. A start would be here: Intro to editing Misplaced Pages. Cheers,-- WV ● ✉ ✓ 18:14, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi Winklevi,

The name is spelled "Swartwout" in the ship's log ... I can send you a copy if it helps. The Naval History and Heritage Command's casualty list, which I referenced to refute the "first casualty" reference, is usually considered verifiable (although it gets the date of death wrong, it shows many, many other U.S. sailors died in Pacific long before November, 1856. — Preceding unsigned comment added by J. Overton (talk • contribs) 18:20, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Ship's log would be primary referencing as well as fall under original research, J. Overton. Further, just because you or I can look at the log that doesn't make the name spelling verifiable according to Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines. If the various sources spell the name Swartout (or Swarthout or Swartwout), then that is the spelling to be used. I understand your frustration, but do encourage you to read WP:VERIFY for a better understanding. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 18:28, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Just trying to make this entry actually factual. Do you consider the Naval History and Heritage Command's web site to also be original research> — Preceding unsigned comment added by J. Overton (talk • contribs) 19:01, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

The website appears to be fine as a reliable source. One more thing: could you please sign your posts on talk pages with four tildes (~)? So far, it's been done for you by a Misplaced Pages bot, but it would be better if you do it yourself. Thanks! -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 19:05, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Getsic

I agree about possible COI, but there is likely some claim to notability. Quis separabit? 03:07, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

I removed the fact tag because I noticed when I was leaving you the previous reply that you had a reference error and the only thing I could see in the diff was the fact tag, so ...

As far as her father goes, you're right. I noticed that he had a link to his own article but I never got around to checking it out. I doubt he would pass notability, but anything of note could be added to daughter's article provided validly sourced. I am going to check out the Ed Getsic AFD now. Yours, Quis separabit? 03:26, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Consensus majority voting?

I saw this phrase in an edit summary you recently did on the article for Taylor Swift, and frankly, it doesn't make any sense to me.

Misplaced Pages is not a democracy. We don't reach consensus by "majority vote." We reach consensus by discussion and building agreement, not by taking a headcount of who already agrees. That's the idea, anyway. Jsharpminor (talk) 05:35, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

I have no idea what edit summary you are referring to, Jsharpminor. Please be specific. And, I know Misplaced Pages isn't a democracy. Whatever I said, it was probably just not well thought out. Edit summaries can't be edited, after all. Do you have anything positive or helpful to add or just negative criticism? Because, frankly, I'm sick of seeing negative bullshit on Misplaced Pages tonight. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 05:37, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

Sorry that you're having a rough night. We all have them from time to time. I have seen your name enough that I know this place wouldn't be the same without you. Perhaps it's time to call it quits for the night and play Minecraft or something?

Also, I did specify the page, and that edit is the 4th edit fromr the top on a administrator-protected page, but here's the diff for you. But if you are aware that we're not taking a vote but discussing options, then there's nothing to see here.

I hope your night gets better. Jsharpminor (talk) 05:47, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

I see now what you were referring to. Yes, just a bad choice of wording and I would have edited it if it were not an edit summary. Thanks for the good wishes. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 05:51, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	California Star
	For having the gumption to create a solution talked about at an AfD, by creating a sub-article for the Golden Gate Bridge about suicides which occur there. Doing so is bold and creates a new consensus which retains verified content that would have otherwise been deleted. RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 02:17, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Wow - thank you SO much, RightCowLeftCoast. I am deeply grateful and touched by this gesture. And, I think the new article is looking pretty good so far. Thank you again,-- WV ● ✉ ✓ 02:19, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

ANI

Although it is usually best to avoid ANI, I think in this case, presenting a neutral POV about the current situation in less than four short sentences would help others to see the problem. If you can keep it brief and on point, I think it might help. You may also want to limit yourself to that one comment and ignore the replies. Viriditas (talk) 03:03, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Viriditas: I don't know how neutral it is, but I posted my comments regarding the AN/I and MF in general. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 03:43, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Taylor Swift

Hello, Winklevi. I think that the versions you have reverted at Taylor Swift should not be labelled as "unsourced", but instead as "vandalism". The user said that Taylor is dating someone called Anthony Camino, and bare in mind that the user is also called Camino3600, and therefore it should be vandalism, as he is just trying to say Taylor is dating the user. (I'd love that if Taylor really dates me though <3) and the Instagram account s/he mentioned is available, @camino36, but it is private, so obviously this user is just making a fuss. At the talk page, you should warn him of vandalism but nt adding unsourced material. Thank, Nahnah4 (talk | contribs | guestbook) 03:57, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Nahnah4, In the interest of not biting new editors, I chose to assume good faith and believe s/he was just unaware of what's acceptable content- and reference-wise. That's why the warnings regarding unsourced content rather than vandalism. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 04:00, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

It's a good thing that you assumed good faith, but being too nice won't help sometimes. Nahnah4 (talk | contribs | guestbook) 04:28, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

AFD

Hi Winkelvi,
Hope you're okay,
Just to make you aware - when you nominate articles for deletion you're not supposed to also !vote Delete as your nomination is your delete !vote,
Technically I'm supposed to strike your !vote and tell you not to !vote twice but I see you've had enough to deal with here let alone me making life more unhelpful so I won't strike the recent lot,
Anyway Happy Editing :) –Davey2010 19:03, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

I was not aware of it, Davey2010. Thanks for the notification and your kind approach. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 19:47, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

You're welcome :), Happy editing, –Davey2010 20:11, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Ed Giecek

Please stop undoing my addition of publication details to references and formatting them with the cite template. You are blind reverting, not caring what other work you undo. That's uncool. Skyerise (talk) 16:36, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

And you've been asked by Bbb23 (talk · contribs) to stop removing material and allow editors at AfD to come to their own conclusions. Skyerise (talk) 16:38, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

No, he asked we both stop reverting. Which I shouldn't have done, and now regret (not because of the reasons you stated), and regretted right after I did it. Bbb23, if I could undo my reversion, I would but realized my error too late. Now that the other editor has reverted again, a revert to earlier version would do nothing. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 16:42, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

You are both correct, but the initial revert was committed by Skyerise who restored his version after being warned at the AfD page. I have therefore blocked him for 24 hours. @Winkelvi, you are correct that you shouldn't have reverted and that you couldn't self-revert. For that reason, I am not blocking you. Next time - hopefully there won't be a next time - come to me and request assistance rather than reverting. If I'm not around, you might be able to get another admin to assist you. Please understand, though, that whichever version is in place is not terribly important as I stated in my comments at the AfD.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:03, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

James Monroe

Dear Winkelvi, I’m sorry for intruding and correcting the James Monroe entry. However, it is a fact that the image shown to be Minister Monroe in Paris in 1794 it is not the likeness of Mr. James Monroe, but rather a relative of his. The foremost experts in the country today will testify to that effect. On your request I would gladly provide you with the names and contact information so you can clarify the this issue. I don’t think it correct to perpetuate a mistake like this inducing others to reproduce the same image which by the way its original is in possession of the Ash Lawn Highland curators. They know of the origin of this miniature and have clearly stated to me personally that this is not James Monroe . Please, reconsider. Thank you very much, Wikimench100 (talk) 00:57, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Wikimench100, I didn't feel your edit was "intruding", however, if you're going to remove an image that's been in an article for a while, it would be better to bring it up on the article talk page first. Additionally, having a reliable reference that gives real evidence in addition to supporting coverage of same from several reliable sources would be preferable. At that point, a real discussion with reliable sources to support your contention could take place. But, just saying the image isn't Monroe because so-and-so says so, is an unsourced claim stemming from original research and is not acceptable evidence. Having reliable sources supporting that the image isn't of Monroe is acceptable evidence. Please feel free to discuss your concerns on the article talk page. Thanks,-- WV ● ✉ ✓ 01:05, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you!Wikimench100 (talk) 01:09, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Zachary Taylor

It may not be formatted sufficiently for a GA, but most of this edit seems to be factually correct. The archived 1893 primary source doesn't mention Taylor on the original list or on the expanded list. IMHO, this is one case in which the primary source (an official document of the society) can be used correctly. The ip editor's explanatory sentence which uses the word "probably" is unsourced and likely OR by the editor. However, I would see no big problem for a similar statement, perhaps a clause after the first sentence, which uses the word "possibly". There's little documentation on the society in reliable secondary sources independent of the subject. Briethaupt is only modern work of which I'm aware, and he currently heads the remaining society, I believe. More sources will surely follow over time, but the basic assertion that Taylor was NOT a member seems to be accurate, based on found sources. BusterD (talk) 05:53, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, BusterD. You're welcome to change it back (I won't revert) and make the necessary changes to it that would include a clause, as you state above. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 20:31, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Apology

Sorry for my earlier comments regarding editing on Autumn Jackson, I had old tabs open and got confused. I should probably not edit WP when so distracted :) I welcome additional discussion on these issues. --BoboMeowCat (talk) 17:09, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Apology accepted, BoboMeowCat. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 18:09, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

What is going on?

Bbb23, apparently, I have been blocked for "disruptive editing". What disruptive editing? And why has there been no notice on my talk page? -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 22:15, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

It took me a while to craft it. See section below.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:19, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Disruptive editing block

• I've blocked you for 72 hours for disruptive editing. More specifically, you are fighting with other editors on articles that were created by or edited by blocked sock User:Kbabej. As you of course know, you were instrumental in the SPI investigation of Kbabej, which was a positive contribution on your part. However, for whatever reasons, you have been on a contentious crusade regarding the sock's articles, to the point where you apparently no longer can see reason. PBS noted this problem at WP:AN3, although, frankly, I was well aware of it even before he pointed it out. I was hoping you would stop. However, the latest problem is at Patsy Presley, an article created by the sock, and at the AfD you began on the article. You've been edit-warring in the article and being contentious at the AfD. When the other editor you were battling with came here to your Talk page to complain, you removed his post after one reply and called him a troll. This behavior is unacceptable. If you wish to appeal this block, see WP:GAB.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:18, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Bbb23, I'd appreciate an explanation as to precisely what you believe constitutes disruptive editing in this case. Because it is not clear to me. At all. "Fighting with other editors" is pretty broad, and vague, especially in terms of what typically goes on in Misplaced Pages. I need specifics in order to understand. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 22:20, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

In the above block notice, I point out the disruptive editing at the Presley article and its AfD. The AN3 link also points out problems concerning the article you were reported on there as well as yet another article (Autumn Jackson, I believe). There are other examples, but I think you are being disingenuous to say you're unaware of them.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:36, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

You're wrong in regard to me being disingenuous. I don't lie. When I say I need an explanation because it's unclear to me, that's the absolute truth. And, honestly, so many hours after what occurred at the Presley article, it's still not clear to me how this block is preventative. As far as the Autumn Jackson article, that was being dealt with and discussion was occurring. Was is the operative word now, because there will be no more discussion (for at least 72 hours). I was going to create and RfC for the Jackson article as well as the Presley article (if it didn't end up being deleted). As it was, at the Presley article, all I did was cull dead links, and bad, unreliable references after the AfD was opened. Since when is that disruptive? But you know what? Fuck it. Again. Obviously punitive blocks for editors who actually improve the encyclopedia are more important than improving articles and seeing articles that don't meet GNGs remain articles. Just like when you decided that an SPI I opened didn't merit a CU, when, in fact another admin decided it did (and the sock was blocked because it actually was the individual I reported at the SPI). This is the kind of bullshit that causes decent editors trying to do the right thing to leave Misplaced Pages out of frustration over the truly disruptive editors getting a pass over and over and over again.

Truly, Bbb23, if you saw I was harming the encyclopedia, what would have been so wrong to come to my talk page, bring it up with me, and point out that I was doing the wrong thing? Because, you know what? When an inexperienced editor who makes this kind of edits out of being pointy and childish in order to WP:WIN comes to my talk page and leaves trolling notices (take into consideration he was trying to "trump" my comments rather than have a constructive discussion to benefit the encyclopedia), yes, I'm going to delete them for what they are and not see the forest for the trees. When an admin comes to my talk page and brings the same thing to my attention, I'm going to sit up and take notice, think about it seriously, and make the appropriate changes in my attitude and behavior. See the difference? So, now, had I been given an opportunity to make the right kind of change and then actually did something intentionally disruptive, the block would make sense to me. As it is, it doesn't make sense. All I see is that from your perspective, my help here is not wanted. Good work.

So, while I appreciate you responding, Bbb23, I still don't see what was so horribly disruptive that prevention of further disruption has now occurred as a result of this block. I mean, gee, all those edits I was making at the Almanzo Wilder article -- yes, it's a good thing I was stopped. God knows what further, rampant damage I would have done. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 23:01, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

One more thing: apparently the ability to edit my User page has also been suspended? I have to ask why. Someone has changed my user page and I am unable to revert it back (even if the spelling of the word he changed was wrong). I see no reason why I can't fix something in my own user space. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 23:46, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

The Mediawiki software only allows blocked editors to edit their own talk page and that's it. --NeilN 23:54, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

I appreciate you taking the time to explain that to me, NeilN. I guess I never tried to change anything at my User page when blocked previously (although, when I tried to revert the trolling new account, I could have sworn I never lost editing privileges on the User page before). Regardless, thanks again and thank you for reverting there for me. Some people really love to kick others when they are down, I guess. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 23:58, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

I am sorry for your troubles. I think it's designed this way because the only thing you should be doing during your block is discussing your block/unblock. --NeilN 00:04, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

I suppose. But now, with someone else vandalizing my User page (or the same person, just using an IP this time), I'm ready to just throw in the towel altogether. I guess that being an individual with Asperger's and blocked is more of a source of amusement than I ever imagined. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 00:08, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

To stop nonsense like this, you can ask an admin to indefinitely semi-protect your user page. Pretty sure that Bbb23 or another admin will do that for you. --NeilN 00:12, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

And this edit immediately following the two vandalizations, leads me to believe there's no coincidence happening here. There's gloating and poking going on, and all at the same time? Definitely not a coincidence. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 00:10, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I think they meant only that they reported it to me. NeilN is correct. I'm fine with semi-protecting your userpage if you wish. It's fairly common, btw.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:17, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

That's definitely not what he meant, Bbb23, and that much is obvious. To me, at least. He won, which is what he has wanted to do for a while now in relation to coming up against me editing wise and in other ways around the 'pedia. His repeated comments about "trumping" my arguments attest to that. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 00:23, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Bbb23, the words contained in this and this are exactly why I know that this was not just him meaning he reported it to you. Just like I said: winning was the goal, not the betterment of the encyclopedia. And now, on top of the win, he seeks to goad and gloat and poke. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 00:57, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Winkelvi you wrote above "I'd appreciate an explanation as to precisely what you believe constitutes disruptive editing in this case". It is difficult to explain to you what it is in a specific case is disruptive because as some point behaviour becomes generalised and a pattern emerges. You and I have crossed paths on a number of pages in the last month, in each case when you have been reverted for a bold edit, instead of following WP:BRD you have reverted the revet:

• Anthony Hungerford of Black Bourton Revision as of 16:52, 22 March 2015 revert of a revert -- This article was the only one of the articles that are listed that I had edited prior to this month so your argument about ownership might be valid for this one (it is not) but it could not be valid for the others.
• Eugene W. Chafin Revision as of 14:35, 29 March 2015 revert of a revert
• Benjamin Hunkins Revision as of 01:14, 29 March 2015 revert of a revert

The same with two other editors

• Raymond Emerson Revision as of 03:27, 29 March 2015 revert of a revert
• Autumn Jackson Revision as of 18:54, 29 March 2015 revert of a revert
• Patsy Presley Revision as of 03:24, 31 March 2015 revert of a revert

All of these articles are either ones created by indefinitely blocked user:Kbabej or edited by the same.

In the one case where I made an edit that restored text previously deleted by you, but not deleted by you in the previous few days, I did not immediately revert you revert, but instead opened a conversation on the talk page (Robert Hastings Hunkins):

• Winkelvi Revision as of 03:47, 6 March 2015 deletion of family tree
• ... break of more than a week between edits
• PBS Revision as of 22:13, 28 March 2015 "Put back the family tree but placed it in a collapse box and reduced it to just the notable people mentioned in this section"
• Winkelvi Revision as of 22:54, 28 March 2015 "Reverted good faith edits by PBS (talk): Unnecessary, if content germane, put it into prose instead. (TW)"
• PBS Edit to the talk page Revision as of 00:13, 29 March 2015

Can you see the pattern? I suggest that you voluntarily change your behaviour so that in the future if you make a bold edit and it is reverted by an established editor, that rather than revert the revert, you instead you follow WP:BRD and open up a discussion on the talk page and follow the dispute resolution process. -- PBS (talk) 13:00, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

PBS, I didn't ask for your explanation, I asked for Bbb23's explanation. I didn't ask for your suggestions. I did, at 3RR state I hoped I would never run into you again, because of the way you very dishonestly took my comments and editing behavior out of context just to make your case. When I said I didn't want anything more to do with you, perhaps you thought I was kidding? I wasn't. But here you are, giving unsolicited advice and piling on. Leave me alone. Your behavior and conduct (ridiculous demands for apologies over nothing, article ownership, tendentious editing, and dishonesty) has, as far as I'm concerned, branded you as untrustworthy. Please don't post here again. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 14:54, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

And now the pile on

Ah, yes, let's just pile on some more. The circling sharks are ready to attack. As if vandalizing my User space and ridiculing me because I have Asperger's isn't enough, this has to happen by those who just can't keep their nose out of things: -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 00:31, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

You were accusing that user and it seems fair to let him/her come defend him/herself. And no one is ridiculing you, and if they are they deserve a stern warning. You are, however the person who manages to bring your condition into every discussion, no one else invokes it. EoRdE6 00:34, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Oh, no one is ridiculing me? Really? . You feel you're on the fast track to becoming an administrator, correct? Perhaps before entertaining such aspirations you should learn how to look into things better before you comment as well as assessing situations correctly and not adding fuel to the fire (such as not encouraging editors to continue poking blocked editors). As far as bringing my "condition" into "every discussion" - that is a complete, total, fucking lie. But since you told the lie, how about you have something real solid to back it up, administrator hopeful. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 00:39, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Its been removed, if that helps. I just feel that if you are discussing a user, they should have a fair chance to say their side, I don't know about you but I get bothered when people talk about me without telling me. EoRdE6 00:43, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Listen, I don't know where you get the idea I hope to be a "fast track admin". Hell my RfP for freaking Rollback got denied last month, and I haven't really received positive feedback at ANI. And about that other thing, personally I would rather not "provide evidence" because it isn't going to help progress anything, but I was rather specifically referring to this unblock request, yet someone with problems with ambiquities should be quite good with something simple like WP:3RR, which just doesn't seem to sink in sometimes. . Anyway, good luck in this ordeal, and goodnight, I will not comment anymore here and you can remove this if it pleases you. EoRdE6 01:03, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

You unnecessarily stick your nose into things I am involved in frequently. I even left a note on your talk page not long ago about it (remember? I noted that your attention to me and my edits was starting to seem like hounding?) You alerted Word17 because you wanted to start something, and you know it. If you want to be helpful (in a genuine and adult manner), great, and feel free to communicate with me. If you want to be an immature dick and make totally out of line accusations that you can't back up to support a claim like "every discussion", then please stay away from me. Your "advice" and chiding is not wanted. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 01:14, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

WTF????

What. The. Fuck. Is. This??? Why was a screen shot of my talk page history uploaded by User:EoRdE6 into Wikimedia Commons and posted here without my permission or notification? Seriously, Bbb23 -- any admin, actually -- there's nothing going on here, right? No goading, no ridiculing, no poking, no harassment happening, right? All of this plus his comments about my Aspeger's when I did NOT bring it up? What the hell is going on here, seriously. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 01:27, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Winkelvi I was on my way to tell you about this. It was the only screenshot I got before the April Fools joke was fixed, and it was needed to demonstrate what the heck had happened to those who didn't notice it, nothing more, and its sole use is in Misplaced Pages:Village_pump_(technical)#Edit_summaries_in_all_caps. EoRdE6 01:31, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

"I was on my way to tell you about this." Bull. Shit. You didn't think anything was wrong with it until NeilN said something to you about it. Keep away from me, please. As if the other harassment wasn't enough, you add to it with this? Yes, I was right. You are a complete dick PRICK (how's that for April Fool's all caps?). Don't think I will forget this. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 01:34, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

@Winkelvi, this is getting out of hand. If someone posts something here you don't like, assuming removal is not prohibited by policy, just remove it. Otherwise, you are free to discuss the block or make an unblock request, but no more attacks directed at other editors, even if you think they're deserved. Otherwise, I will revoke access to this page.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:42, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Are you saying that what Eo did is not considered an attack of some sort? What he did was a definite jerk move, but I'm being chastised. Fine. No more "attacks" from the attacked and ridiculed. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 01:45, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

One more thing: Nothing would have gotten out of hand if Eo, Word17, and whomever the other throw away accounts belong to hadn't been intentionally pushing me that direction. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 01:47, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

I've removed the link and left notes on editors talk pages. You're too sucked into the drama and it would be best if you walk away from Misplaced Pages for a bit. NE Ent 01:52, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

NE Ent: While I appreciate the help you've given me today as well as in the past, and I certainly appreciate you removing the link, I will deal with how I function in Misplaced Pages on my own and in a way that I know will work for me best (as well as for Misplaced Pages). I realize now that allowing oneself to be drawn into the drama isn't good for anyone, but I only have control over myself. Doing what I have to so this kind of thing will be avoided in the future is something I will have to make a plan for, and execute, once I start editing again. Even so, what happened here today by the hand of three particular editors is just beyond wrong. It's sick and wrong. Thanks again, -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 02:00, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

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