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			== Topic ban ==

			I have read around this at some length. It is very clear to me that you consider your personal expertise to have primacy over reliable independent sources at {{la\|Gospel of Matthew}} and are ] the fact that consensus does not support your additions, and that this has remained consistent over many months. This is a classic example of ]. Your continued input is causing disruption and is also provoking others. In the interests of peace and harmony, you should consider yourself banned form that article for a period of three months from today. If at the end of that period you continue this behaviour, you can expect a longer topic ban and potentially blocks. Please feel free to edit in areas unrelated to this topic, and establish a track record of successful collaborative editing. <b>]</b> <small>(])</small> 11:23, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
			:The truth is that I have been informally banned for over a year by the anti fringe editors. Every edit to every article I have made has been immediately reverted. The charges against me are serious. I can only hope that I will get arbitrators who are prepared to dig. ] (]) 12:48, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
			:: Well, here's how it is: you are now formally topic banned.
			:: In context, that means you leave the article, and you don't edit subjects closely related to it, or promote the same ideas else where. Attempts to continue the same advocacy by exploring the limits of any restriction are known as ] and are not appreciated.
			:: You have the following choices:
			::# Appeal the ban, which I think will not succeed. If you do, you will need to talk about ''your'' actions not those of everybody you come into contact with. This is a legitimate route, but as I say, if you major on pointing the finger at other people, long experience says that you will fail, and fail badly.
			::# Defy it, and get blocked. I don't recommend this.
			::# Wait it out and then pile back in, which will probably not end well for you.
			::# Find some area to edit where you feel less personally vested in the content, and establish a reputation outside this narrow topic area that might allow people to form a more rounded judgment of you.
			:: Right now you come across as someone who is here to ]. That is not what Misplaced Pages is for. You also state that your edits have been prevented by "anti-fringe" editors. That is by design: Misplaced Pages is ], not a project to promote or legitimise fringe ideas.
			:: The future is very much up to you. I hope you decide to try editing somewhere else, outside the areas where you have (as you seem aware) non-mainstream ideas. There is a lot of uncontentious material that could be added about the history of the church establishment, for example, by someone who has access to the sources. <b>]</b> <small>(])</small> 16:14, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

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'Misplaced Pages does not care about you or me being qualified scholars. Misplaced Pages is not a scholarly site, but a summary of sources that speak for themselves. We all have the right to edit, but there are rules to make sure that proper sources are used for appropriate articles and editors are civil. If you want to accuse me of a Christian bias:

Please read this.
Archbishop Desmond Tutu comes to my home in South Africa at the height of our struggle. The house of Nelson Mandela was just down the road. At Misplaced Pages we must all try to edit from a NPOV. On occasion my Faith has been called into question. Indeed some have honestly wondered how I can write what I have about the Historical Jesus and still be a Christian. The answer is simple, my relationship with God never had anything to do with history or archeology. Let me explain... Christianity not relevant in our modern world As a young litigation lawyer, I believed in God, but felt that Christianity was no longer relevant in our modern world. Jesus' teachings such as "Thou shalt not kill" "Love your enemy" "You can not serve both God and Money" were just not relevant in these modern times. I believed in the death penalty, war, material wealth. I did unto others before they did unto me. I did not get angry, I got even...and a bit! Spiritual awakening Then, a series of events made me reconsider my beliefs and come to the conclusion that the Gospel of Jesus Christ was still relevant today. I read a great deal about people who still believed in the Gospel, including Mahatma Gandhi, Dr Martin Luther King Jr., etc., etc. This led to a Spiritual awaking that forever changed my life. South Africa It was here, working for Archbishop Desmond Tutu and Nelson Mandela that my faith was put to the test. Could love and non violence really bring down the Apartheid government? We were out-gunned, out-matched in every way. What the Archbishop was preaching made no earthly sense. Yet before my eyes I witnessed this racist government fall. As I stepped out in faith on a daily basis, I experienced God in a real way. In my heart I came to believe that the Gospel of Christ was the most powerful force in the Universe. The Roman Empire never stood a chance. Nor did the British Empire in India, or, for that matter, Segregation in the South. Twelve Step Program Several years later I was approached by a group who wanted to use my Church. They explained to me that their program was basic Christianity without many of the offensive "buzz words" that had been added over the years. Confessing that we were miserable sinners became "We admitted we were powerless over alcohol or drugs etc -- that our lives had become unmanageable." Faith was changed to "Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity." Accepting Jesus Christ as our Personal Saviour became "Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him." Accepting that we had all sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God was changed to "Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves." Making our confession was reworded to "Admitted to God, to ourselves and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs." Repentance became "Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character." Bin saved became "Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings." "Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all." "Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others." Continued confession became "Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it." "Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God, as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out." Born Again & Witnessing became "Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to others, and to practice these principles in all our affairs." This simplified "Gospel" has transformed the lives of millions. It is truly powerful regardless of the packaging. My faith finds form in Anglicanism because of the freedom from "strict dogma", but I have seen the power of Christ in all denominations. Walking with Christ for these many, many years has given me a faith that allows me to edit Misplaced Pages from a NPOV. The reason is that my faith is not based on the "historical evidence" that has survived to 2014 but rather it is based upon my experience over a very very long time...and now to have a Pope whose focus is love, forgiveness and caring for those in need rather than dogma is a true blessing!

Please read this.

Archbishop Desmond Tutu comes to my home in South Africa at the height of our struggle. The house of Nelson Mandela was just down the road.

At Misplaced Pages we must all try to edit from a NPOV. On occasion my Faith has been called into question. Indeed some have honestly wondered how I can write what I have about the Historical Jesus and still be a Christian. The answer is simple, my relationship with God never had anything to do with history or archeology. Let me explain...

Christianity not relevant in our modern world As a young litigation lawyer, I believed in God, but felt that Christianity was no longer relevant in our modern world. Jesus' teachings such as "Thou shalt not kill" "Love your enemy" "You can not serve both God and Money" were just not relevant in these modern times. I believed in the death penalty, war, material wealth. I did unto others before they did unto me. I did not get angry, I got even...and a bit!

Spiritual awakening Then, a series of events made me reconsider my beliefs and come to the conclusion that the Gospel of Jesus Christ was still relevant today. I read a great deal about people who still believed in the Gospel, including Mahatma Gandhi, Dr Martin Luther King Jr., etc., etc. This led to a Spiritual awaking that forever changed my life.

South Africa It was here, working for Archbishop Desmond Tutu and Nelson Mandela that my faith was put to the test. Could love and non violence really bring down the Apartheid government? We were out-gunned, out-matched in every way. What the Archbishop was preaching made no earthly sense. Yet before my eyes I witnessed this racist government fall. As I stepped out in faith on a daily basis, I experienced God in a real way. In my heart I came to believe that the Gospel of Christ was the most powerful force in the Universe. The Roman Empire never stood a chance. Nor did the British Empire in India, or, for that matter, Segregation in the South.

Twelve Step Program Several years later I was approached by a group who wanted to use my Church. They explained to me that their program was basic Christianity without many of the offensive "buzz words" that had been added over the years.

Confessing that we were miserable sinners became "We admitted we were powerless over alcohol or drugs etc -- that our lives had become unmanageable."
Faith was changed to "Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity."
Accepting Jesus Christ as our Personal Saviour became "Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him."
Accepting that we had all sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God was changed to "Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves."
Making our confession was reworded to "Admitted to God, to ourselves and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs."
Repentance became "Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character."
Bin saved became "Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings."
"Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all."
"Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others."
Continued confession became "Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it."
"Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God, as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out."
Born Again & Witnessing became "Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to others, and to practice these principles in all our affairs."

This simplified "Gospel" has transformed the lives of millions. It is truly powerful regardless of the packaging. My faith finds form in Anglicanism because of the freedom from "strict dogma", but I have seen the power of Christ in all denominations. Walking with Christ for these many, many years has given me a faith that allows me to edit Misplaced Pages from a NPOV. The reason is that my faith is not based on the "historical evidence" that has survived to 2014 but rather it is based upon my experience over a very very long time...and now to have a Pope whose focus is love, forgiveness and caring for those in need rather than dogma is a true blessing!

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I took a break to let things cool down. It has been misinterpreted and for this I apologize. Cheers - Ret.Prof (talk) 03:02, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

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An interesting essay...

See WP:COIducks Atsme☯ 06:11, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Topic ban

I have read around this at some length. It is very clear to me that you consider your personal expertise to have primacy over reliable independent sources at Gospel of Matthew (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) and are unwilling to accept the fact that consensus does not support your additions, and that this has remained consistent over many months. This is a classic example of civil POV-pushing. Your continued input is causing disruption and is also provoking others. In the interests of peace and harmony, you should consider yourself banned form that article for a period of three months from today. If at the end of that period you continue this behaviour, you can expect a longer topic ban and potentially blocks. Please feel free to edit in areas unrelated to this topic, and establish a track record of successful collaborative editing. Guy (Help!) 11:23, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

The truth is that I have been informally banned for over a year by the anti fringe editors. Every edit to every article I have made has been immediately reverted. The charges against me are serious. I can only hope that I will get arbitrators who are prepared to dig. Ret.Prof (talk) 12:48, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Well, here's how it is: you are now formally topic banned.

In context, that means you leave the article, and you don't edit subjects closely related to it, or promote the same ideas else where. Attempts to continue the same advocacy by exploring the limits of any restriction are known as wikilawyering and are not appreciated.

You have the following choices:

Appeal the ban, which I think will not succeed. If you do, you will need to talk about your actions not those of everybody you come into contact with. This is a legitimate route, but as I say, if you major on pointing the finger at other people, long experience says that you will fail, and fail badly.
Defy it, and get blocked. I don't recommend this.
Wait it out and then pile back in, which will probably not end well for you.
Find some area to edit where you feel less personally vested in the content, and establish a reputation outside this narrow topic area that might allow people to form a more rounded judgment of you.

Right now you come across as someone who is here to Right Great Wrongs. That is not what Misplaced Pages is for. You also state that your edits have been prevented by "anti-fringe" editors. That is by design: Misplaced Pages is a mainstream encyclopaedia, not a project to promote or legitimise fringe ideas.

The future is very much up to you. I hope you decide to try editing somewhere else, outside the areas where you have (as you seem aware) non-mainstream ideas. There is a lot of uncontentious material that could be added about the history of the church establishment, for example, by someone who has access to the sources. Guy (Help!) 16:14, 4 April 2015 (UTC)